Utd should be speaking to Poch if he's available.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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£100m isn't defined as "l didn't spend shit, just got players on loans and stuff", though is it?
It's almost double what United was last summer
Well in my eyes they only gave him a short contract so they wouldn't have to pay-out if a manager they fancied more became available, ZZ is their dream.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...8/plus/1?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=s
Last summer market under Poch, Spurs spent 80m net spend and Poch didn't like it, had problems with the board and wanted out, but you believe he'll be content with the 100m net spend you spent last summer ?
I honestly find no reason for him to leave PSG now, unless the board are the ones forcing him out. He should have stayed for the rest of his contract and it's not like he can't return to Spurs whenever he wants later. The whole thing just screams safe job for me.
I don't quite get what your are trying to say, it wasn't a safe job as he was sacked. TBH I have no idea what's going on, but there is too much out there for this to be just smoke.
He knows that Spurs fan will like him no matter what, and that the pressure on him will be less. I don't think he was sacked purely for results back then, more like due to his moaning about the board's and Levy's supporting him in the market consistently imo because he believed he did so much for Spurs he deserved more backing in the market. I think if he didn't moan, Levy would have probably let him stay.
But I don't understand it either. It's just a stupid move imo. Anyway, let's see.
Having seen what happens when Spurs and also when Pochettino gets money to spend I’d say they’re better off keeping Kane if they can.
I'm running out of my allowance of daily posts quota.. but yes, I agree.
That's all I'm saying tbh - if the PSG board tells him "sorry Poch, you've done ok but we'll likely bring in Zidane anyway - but we kinda like you so how would you like to communicate your departure?" it's not totally far fetched for him to go back to where he came from. Flick did something similiar, not the same mind, since Nagelsmann was bound to go to Bayern rather sooner than later so once becoming the next national team manager was feasable (likely for years to come -> extremely safe job) he jumped on board and cut ties with Bayern before they started cutting ties to bring in Nagelsmann in a year.
But, yep - let's wait and see.
No matter how much money we get from him, its very unlikly we get a player who will constantly produce what Harry has over the last 5-6 years.
Should PSG let him leave if he wants to? And should they ask a big transfer fee?
He has one year contract, on option for another (dunno if that matters) doubt it would be a problem.
To be honest, I don't think this is true anymore. After a few lean years while building the stadium, we spent £100 million last season and £133 million the season before (net of roughly 80 mil both times).
We're obviously not at Man City/Chelsea/Man Utd levels but once we had an idea of the actual cost of the stadium and money started rolling in, we were starting to be able to spend again.
The question for me actually is whether Levy/Poch (blame whichever one of the two you like or a mixture of the two) can actually spend higher transfer fees wisely because so far, the evidence is not great.
He has virtually two years in his contract, they could trigger his clause and be very vindictive.
My point is Poch wasn't really fond of how much the board spent the last season he went which was 80m net spend so I don't see why he'll be happy with 100m net spend. He seems to think he deserved better players, more power in the transfers and more money. Will any of these happen ? Really can't see Levy changing his transfer business of buying budget players and loans, and definitely can't see him giving Poch the power he seemed to want last time.
I'm not sure that's totally true to be honest. Poch wasn't overly happy with the transfer dealings prior to that, with the infamous 2 windows without a single purchase, loan or free transfer. Things got stale, our form was essentially relegation form over the course of a calendar year and he was sadly let go. It should never have gotten to that situation in the first place but such were the circumstances.
Poch only had 1 transfer window of the increased power of spending and was fired about 3 months after said transfer window.
As I said, none of the purchases of N'dombole, Lo Celso, Sessengnon (for the type of player), Reguilon, Sanchez or going back a bit Sissoko were bargain bucket. The question is how much utility we've gotten out of these rather expensive players. The reality is that, so far, none of them have exactly set the league on fire.
The spending patterns were clearly different post and during stadium build, which Poch sadly was able to take full advantage of due to the sacking. Covid has obviously plunged a hole in our finances so god knows what our spending is going to be like in the next few seasons too.
I find the idea of a manager not being allowed to leave kind of hilarious.
If I was Pochettino I'd start playing cleaning staff instead of Neymar etc.
If I was Pochettino I'd start playing cleaning staff instead of Neymar etc.
From Levys point of view he is probably thinking it would get the fans back onside but it makes no footballing sense.
Poch was sacked for a reason - The last 10 months Spurs were poor - did they win a single league match away? The champions league run masked the slide.
Also the dressing room werent playing for him - it had all gone stale.
Poch did a great job in first 3/4 years but many of those players who had stopped giving 100% are still there.
In general does it ever work when managers go back - especially with high expectations based on the first stint?
Poch was sacked for a reason - The last 10 months Spurs were poor - did they win a single league match away? The champions league run masked the slide.
Also the dressing room werent playing for him - it had all gone stale.
Poch did a great job in first 3/4 years but many of those players who had stopped giving 100% are still there.
In general does it ever work when managers go back - especially with high expectations based on the first stint?
They don't have to let you go, you are still under contract. They can hire a new manager and let you play scrabble. Clubs generally don't do that but managers also generally don't talk to other clubs less than six months into their contract.
But was he happy with such market he got before he was sacked ? I don't remember him being that fond of Ndombele or Lo Celso either.
These players aren't bad, but at the end all of them are about 2nd tier players. Not sure if that's what Poch would want. I think he wanted more, and better standards of players.
Well yeah. He never complained or started to show any signs of complaining until the year we went without signing anyone.
I doubt that Poch had no input in the purchase of those two players. N'dombole is one of the 50 most expensive players in history. Reguilon top 5 LBs in terms of transfer fee etc etc.
If your point is that Poch could buy a higher calibre of player at PSG, I don't think anyone would ever doubt that.
But your initial point seemed to be that Poch was unhappy with a net spend of £80 million a year. Poch didn't get that or anything even approaching that until his final transfer window and then was sadly fired 3 months after because of a calendar year's worth of abysmal form so he never had the time to be upset about that level. The reality is that if post the stadium build, we were gearing up to be able to spend £80mil net per season, there would be very few clubs who would be able to match that. PSG of course being one of them.
I don't know if the timing is a response to the rumours but PSG published an interview with Pochettino.
I honestly don't think he was that happy. I felt he wanted more backing and thought he deserved more because of what he did to the club. I don't think he believed 80 net spend was enough for the club to be going forward with the increased competitiveness around him. I think the sacking was just a culmination of all his problems with the board.
Anyway, only he and levy know the truth about this I guess. If he's back we'll see what he and Levy agreed on regarding next summer.
I think in France you have to keep your employees doing what's in their job description, here coach of the first team. If not they can leave, sue for wrongful termination and ask for the remainder of the contract to be paid + compensation for "préjudice moral".
There's no truth to these rumors according to solid sources. It's just the usual noise there's going to be when a head coach vacancy is opening up. I'd be shocked to not see Pochettino at PSG next season.
It depends on the terms of the contract and why smart employers do not give specific roles and locations. But even then the procedure is through the prud'hommes which isn't quick. There is the small issue of loyalty which would be used against him in any attempts to demand compensation for moral prejudice, it would actually most likely turn into a compensation in favor of the employer. For a CDI the situation is totally different and a lot better for the employee.
I can understand why he'd be willing to go back and it does sound like Levy is struggling to find a suitable manager. Probably communicated to Poch he should've allowed a bit more time and I bet Kane was disappointed in his sacking, getting him back could help in him staying a bit longer. There's a lot of manager shuffling going on right now, short stints and unhappy managers with or without success.
Not a chance hes going back to Spurs.
What kind of club rehires a manager they just sacked and what manager goes back to a club that sacked him?
Sounds like a badly written teen romance novel
What kind of club rehires a manager they just sacked and what manager goes back to a club that sacked him?
Sounds like a badly written teen romance novel
There is more often than not a mutual agreement for the termination that as you mentioned can include payments until a new job is found and displays a better image of everyone. It benefits the club not having to pay everything upfront, but also avoids the risk of "faute grave", many coaches being pretty liberal with criticism (sometimes insulting), public complaints about recruits or similar acts that can be sanctioned at Prud'Hommes like with Puel at Lyon.
Regarding your first sentence, that's because it's one of the three ways to legally break a CDD. The other are by signing a CDI and the last one can only come from the employer with only three legal reasons, inaptitude, serious misconduct or exceptional circumstances.
Major clubs in europe do it in last few years it seems....Real Madrid fecked about with Lopetegui and Solari for a season before running back to Zidane, looks like Juve are doing the same with Allegri aswell. Chelsea want back to Mourinho a few years ago etc.
I can see logic as Spurs need Pochettino type to rebuild like in summer 2014 so why not get the actual one. Like a few I would be amazed at him just walking out of CL contender to go back to Spurs with the state they're in. He really will be a miracle worker if he can get the next 5 years out of them like he did in 2014-19 but it will take a good 2-3 years with the work on the squad needed and not certain at all Kane will accept that.
It's a funny one, the stories seem to be partly coming from Poch's camp so dunno whether he's just putting some more pressure on PSG to get in more of players he wants this summer or he's just a manager who prefers to build up clubs rather than take up ready made ones but think a lot of elite clubs will stay clear of him in the future if he's only giving it six months as they won't sack him just yet.
I simply do not understand why he would go back to Spurs after half a season with PSG? Has anyone explained this yet?
If the rumours are true, his relationship with Leonardo is already pretty bad. So the argument would be that Spurs contacted him and that he is receptive to their offer.
ZZ is available.
This is an amazing straw man. No idea why you're trying to change the subject, but the original point was (for the third time) "they didn't spend shit, just got players on loans and stuff". It's wrong in every facet, but not as wrong as changing the point to be how happy Pochettino is with anything.
I didn't change the subject. I don't think 100m is actually a high net spend. When United spent a net spend of 70m we thought it was shit.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...8/plus/1?saison_id=2020&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=s
Most of the players you got were for 20-30m and 2 loans for Bale and Vinícius.
Meanwhile Chelsea's net spend was close to 188m :
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/transfers/verein/631
With a lot of players costing 40m up to 60 and 81.
But if you think that 100m is a high enough net spend then good for you and your club I guess ? I hope you have a similar summer.
You think he has really asked to leave?
I can't believe he'd ask to leave to go back to Spurs. Must be Real but with Conte available why would they "risk" it with Pochettino ? Weird one.
Of course he doesn't have full control, almost no one has full control outside of some english clubs.
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