- Joined
- Dec 3, 2018
- Messages
- 173
Utd should be speaking to Poch if he's available.
100m isn't really a high spending force these days. If we spend such net spend we will consider it shit. Didn't Poch have problems with Levy despite him paying 60m for Ndombele?
Sure, but he just came from a break - and this could be another longish one too. He's no Zidane who won it all and can sit back at will and still keep interest high.
I'm not saying it's a no-brainer to go back to spurs, heck maybe he stays next season at PSG or even extents the contract for all we know - or his management tries to stir up some interest by other clubs, but sometimes it's better to start building your own young n hungy team that follows you instead of going to another b-tier club (because let's face it he likely won't get appointed by Real Madrid or Juve or the likes anytime soon). And that sort of rebuilding is obviously easier within a club you already know inside out. PSG is as big as it could gets for him atm and it didn't look like he truly got them rolling to their potential - not saying that can't change come next season btw - but that's how it looks right now from the outside IMO.
So? It'd still be really early to sack him after appointing him when, start of January? They could also extent the contract if they'd think the work he's done is warranting it.
£100m isn't defined as "l didn't spend shit, just got players on loans and stuff", though is it?
It's almost double what United was last summer
Sure, but he just came from a break - and this could be another longish one too. He's no Zidane who won it all and can sit back at will and still keep interest high.
I'm not saying it's a no-brainer to go back to spurs, heck maybe he stays next season at PSG or even extents the contract for all we know - or his management tries to stir up some interest by other clubs, but sometimes it's better to start building your own young n hungy team that follows you instead of going to another b-tier club (because let's face it he likely won't get appointed by Real Madrid or Juve or the likes anytime soon). And that sort of rebuilding is obviously easier within a club you already know inside out. PSG is as big as it could gets for him atm and it didn't look like he truly got them rolling to their potential - not saying that can't change come next season btw - but that's how it looks right now from the outside IMO.
So? It'd still be really early to sack him after appointing him when, start of January? They could also extent the contract if they'd think the work he's done is warranting it.
I honestly find no reason for him to leave PSG now, unless the board are the ones forcing him out. He should have stayed for the rest of his contract and it's not like he can't return to Spurs whenever he wants later. The whole thing just screams safe job for me.
I don't quite get what your are trying to say, it wasn't a safe job as he was sacked. TBH I have no idea what's going on, but there is too much out there for this to be just smoke.
If I was in your shoes I’d want to believe it too! Obviously losing Kane is a massive blow, but don’t you think with the funds raised, the club could address multiple holes in the squad? There are good players that could be bought with a boost in your budget of £120 million.
Well in my eyes they only gave him a short contract so they wouldn't have to pay-out if a manager they fancied more became available, ZZ is their dream.
I honestly find no reason for him to leave PSG now, unless the board are the ones forcing him out. He should have stayed for the rest of his contract and it's not like he can't return to Spurs whenever he wants later. The whole thing just screams safe job for me.
Having seen what happens when Spurs and also when Pochettino gets money to spend I’d say they’re better off keeping Kane if they can.
Should PSG let him leave if he wants to? And should they ask a big transfer fee?
Same said about Mourinho and they still didn't spend shit, just got players on loans and stuff. Levy aren't spending.
He has one year contract, on option for another (dunno if that matters) doubt it would be a problem.
To be honest, I don't think this is true anymore. After a few lean years while building the stadium, we spent £100 million last season and £133 million the season before (net of roughly 80 mil both times).
We're obviously not at Man City/Chelsea/Man Utd levels but once we had an idea of the actual cost of the stadium and money started rolling in, we were starting to be able to spend again.
The question for me actually is whether Levy/Poch (blame whichever one of the two you like or a mixture of the two) can actually spend higher transfer fees wisely because so far, the evidence is not great.
My point is Poch wasn't really fond of how much the board spent the last season he went which was 80m net spend so I don't see why he'll be happy with 100m net spend. He seems to think he deserved better players, more power in the transfers and more money. Will any of these happen ? Really can't see Levy changing his transfer business of buying budget players and loans, and definitely can't see him giving Poch the power he seemed to want last time.
I find the idea of a manager not being allowed to leave kind of hilarious.
If I was Pochettino I'd start playing cleaning staff instead of Neymar etc.
I'm not sure that's totally true to be honest. Poch wasn't overly happy with the transfer dealings prior to that, with the infamous 2 windows without a single purchase, loan or free transfer. Things got stale, our form was essentially relegation form over the course of a calendar year and he was sadly let go. It should never have gotten to that situation in the first place but such were the circumstances.
Poch only had 1 transfer window of the increased power of spending and was fired about 3 months after said transfer window.
As I said, none of the purchases of N'dombole, Lo Celso, Sessengnon (for the type of player), Reguilon, Sanchez or going back a bit Sissoko were bargain bucket. The question is how much utility we've gotten out of these rather expensive players. The reality is that, so far, none of them have exactly set the league on fire.
The spending patterns were clearly different post and during stadium build, which Poch sadly was able to take full advantage of due to the sacking. Covid has obviously plunged a hole in our finances so god knows what our spending is going to be like in the next few seasons too.
But was he happy with such market he got before he was sacked ? I don't remember him being that fond of Ndombele or Lo Celso either.
These players aren't bad, but at the end all of them are about 2nd tier players. Not sure if that's what Poch would want. I think he wanted more, and better standards of players.
Well yeah. He never complained or started to show any signs of complaining until the year we went without signing anyone.
I doubt that Poch had no input in the purchase of those two players. N'dombole is one of the 50 most expensive players in history. Reguilon top 5 LBs in terms of transfer fee etc etc.
If your point is that Poch could buy a higher calibre of player at PSG, I don't think anyone would ever doubt that.
But your initial point seemed to be that Poch was unhappy with a net spend of £80 million a year. Poch didn't get that or anything even approaching that until his final transfer window and then was sadly fired 3 months after because of a calendar year's worth of abysmal form so he never had the time to be upset about that level. The reality is that if post the stadium build, we were gearing up to be able to spend £80mil net per season, there would be very few clubs who would be able to match that. PSG of course being one of them.
I think in France you have to keep your employees doing what's in their job description, here coach of the first team. If not they can leave, sue for wrongful termination and ask for the remainder of the contract to be paid + compensation for "préjudice moral".They don't have to let you go, you are still under contract. They can hire a new manager and let you play scrabble. Clubs generally don't do that but managers also generally don't talk to other clubs less than six months into their contract.
I think in France you have to keep your employees doing what's in their job description, here coach of the first team. If not they can leave, sue for wrongful termination and ask for the remainder of the contract to be paid + compensation for "préjudice moral".
There is more often than not a mutual agreement for the termination that as you mentioned can include payments until a new job is found and displays a better image of everyone. It benefits the club not having to pay everything upfront, but also avoids the risk of "faute grave", many coaches being pretty liberal with criticism (sometimes insulting), public complaints about recruits or similar acts that can be sanctioned at Prud'Hommes like with Puel at Lyon.It depends on the terms of the contract and why smart employers do not give specific roles and locations. But even then the procedure is through the prud'hommes which isn't quick. There is the small issue of loyalty which would be used against him in any attempts to demand compensation for moral prejudice, it would actually most likely turn into a compensation in favor of the employer. For a CDI the situation is totally different and a lot better for the employee.
There is more often than not a mutual agreement for the termination that as you mentioned can include payments until a new job is found and displays a better image of everyone. It benefits the club not having to pay everything upfront, but also avoids the risk of "faute grave", many coaches being pretty liberal with criticism (sometimes insulting), public complaints about recruits or similar acts that can be sanctioned at Prud'Hommes like with Puel at Lyon.
Weird to go back to a manager you sacked a season and a half ago. I'm not even sure he would be that interested in going back with the state Tottenham are in.
I simply do not understand why he would go back to Spurs after half a season with PSG? Has anyone explained this yet?
I simply do not understand why he would go back to Spurs after half a season with PSG? Has anyone explained this yet?
https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...8/plus/1?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=s
Last summer market under Poch, Spurs spent 80m net spend and Poch didn't like it, had problems with the board and wanted out, but you believe he'll be content with the 100m net spend you spent last summer ?
This is an amazing straw man. No idea why you're trying to change the subject, but the original point was (for the third time) "they didn't spend shit, just got players on loans and stuff". It's wrong in every facet, but not as wrong as changing the point to be how happy Pochettino is with anything.
You think he has really asked to leave?
Must not have full control is the only thing i can think of if true.