I dunno. I have a lot of sympathy with them. They’re told to socialise outdoors and not everyone has a back garden to hang out with their friends. In fact, I reckon most 20 to 30 year olds living in Dublin/Galway don’t.
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I dunno. I have a lot of sympathy with them. They’re told to socialise outdoors and not everyone has a back garden to hang out with their friends. In fact, I reckon most 20 to 30 year olds living in Dublin/Galway don’t.
DovedaleTotally agree and we suspected it would be busy but Dovedale is one of my favourite places on the planet and it was all a bit last minute so we rolled the dice. Still, gave Mrs Volumiza a chance to say 'I told you so'
Sorry to laugh, but that should have been one of the last places on the planet to visit this year. I go on hiking sites and read the same question over and over again, 'Where do you park for Snowdon? How long does it take to go up Snowdon? What sort of boots should I wear for Snowdon? Where do you park for Snowdon? Where do you park for Snowdon?' For fecks sake there are hundreds of large hills in the country and half of them will have hardly anyone there, maybe no one if picked wisely, people should just do a bit of reading and decide for themselves.
Started having a mild cough and feeling sluggish since yesterday. The quick test returned negative but took the PCR test last night anyways and waiting for the results. I'm about 70% sure I probably caught it as I went to a bar on Friday and there's no other way for me to have cold-like symptoms in the summer.
So far not too bad and I'm working from home and hope it stays that way.
Test returned positive.
Hope you feel better soon. And good on you for getting the PCR. Another good example of why Lateral Flow Tests can do more harm than good. Imagine what would have happened if you’d been reassured enough by the initial negative test to head into work, or out on the piss?
Sorry to hear this mate, but worst case you should have decent protection from your first shot. If it is COVID, I don't think it'll be worse than a cough. Please keep us informed.
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Sorry to laugh, but that should have been one of the last places on the planet to visit this year.
Yep. Been going there since I was a kid, been when it's been busy before but nothing like yesterday. I remember going up there about 20 years ago and running from the car park to Milldale and back and up across Thorpe Cloud and I'd barely see another soul. Not so anymore. It was a superspreaders dream yesterday.
Let's hope not. Fingers crossed for you all.
Yeah they should, like not rushing to the nearest pub as soon as you can, madness
Melbourne is back into lockdown.
Due to a leak from South Australia's quarantine and an arrogant selfish cnut who despite having symptoms for a week decided to not get tested but instead go about his day.
Not to mention only 500k people have been fully vaccinated out of 25 Million
Due to a leak from South Australia's quarantine and an arrogant selfish cnut who despite having symptoms for a week decided to not get tested but instead go about his day.
Not to mention only 500k people have been fully vaccinated out of 25 Million
Yeah, most people here get the antigen tests as it’s quicker to go to a bar, restaurant or gym but I doubt how accurate they really are. At least in my case the symptoms were quite clear and I was convinced that I needed the PCR that despite the negative antigen test.
I called the health authorities and they took note of the gym, other appointments I had over the past 72 hours and began calling them.
Implications are kind of mind-blowing. As per the replies this means that even if we assume everyone in Peru was infected (which obviously didn’t happen) then the mortality rate is still 0.55%.
Mortality gets worse once hospital service is unavailable or stretched way too thin. This seems to have been the case at least for both Peru and Ecuador, maybe also Bolivia and Mexico when you look at an excess deaths tracker: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
As a bit of a numbers person, one disappointing but expected thing about the coverage of the pandemic is that large absolute numbers of cases and deaths were sought out and reported, while many large proportional numbers went largely ignored. A lot of South America has had a very hard time with the virus, with some exceptions that have done a bit better like Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay, but only Brazil has been that widely reported on.
RE the excess deaths, why do the wealthier Western European countries all seem to have far more Covid deaths recorded than there are excess deaths?
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...VXBkGAB3NZwefEAAYASAAEgK7TvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...VXBkGAB3NZwefEAAYASAAEgK7TvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Hadn't noticed that, certainly an interesting question. In theory it could be that other forms of death besides covid were significantly down, which would partially offset covid's effect in increasing deaths. But you'd wonder why only some Western European countries would seem to have that total effect.
What countries are you thinking of? Can’t see many (any?) graphs in that article which fit that description. They all seem to have excess deaths that are higher than covid deaths.
Much lower flu deaths than normal - partly down to all those social distancing, handwashing things. Probably lower numbers for other things like traffic accidents as well. Some countries, like Belgium, may have overcorrected for the initial under-counting of deaths at the start of the pandemic.
bank holiday and all but zero deaths in uk still feels significant
It's a horrible thing to say but many of the covid deaths were very elderly people or those with existing major health problems, to be blunt if they hadn't died of covid a lot would have died in the natural course of events anyway by now. Happy to be told otherwise if so, I'm no doctor.
I think the average shortening of life was found to be around 15 years from covid. Many of the common 'underlying health conditions' like diabetes or hypertension etc typically aren't going to kill you anytime soon.
All good news , It seems we have finally got a bit of control back. It has been busier than ever in Anglesey this week, beaches, shops, pubs, cafes, chippies everywhere packed out . Hardly a mask to be seen and no cases in Anglesey . It gives you hope that we are getting back to normal and the vaccines are really working.
Well yes but no because there's worries over the Delta variant (fka Indian).
The UK isn't quite out of the woods yet.
Yes, I get that, but the question wasn't asking about averages, or even percentages, it was asking about absolute numbers of deaths during the covid era compared to before. What happened to those that did not die isn't relevant to the question.
Hope you soon shake it off. Sorry you've caught it. xTest returned positive.
Not quite but things are far more positive.
There's a possible third wave brewing. Things are actually on a knife edge. Unfortunately most people don't seem to know this. Its worrying.
Thanks Penna!
Is this really true?
I saw the reports yesterday but they seemed to be one scientist suggesting this, without much evidence other than very very slow and small rise in cases.
Not looking promising, however I feel that hospital admissions will be far lower due to the uptake of vaccines?
Does that not mean that the third wave will be not much more than a flurry, or am I misconstruing?
My hospital have evacuated a ward already and secured it as an “additional COVID ITU”, as it neighbours the real ITU area. I think it’s more down to preparation/planning than genuine concern.
My faith in these vaccines may make me a bit too naive, but I don’t believe the third wave will come close to the first wave, let alone the second. Our hospital have remained COVID free for a couple of weeks at least now, and we had yet to see any person come in with COVID who had the vaccine.
With that being said, it’s when the virus has mutated enough, say in a year or so, we’ll know for sure whether the vaccines can continue to have a grip of it.
My faith in these vaccines may make me a bit too naive, but I don’t believe the third wave will come close to the first wave, let alone the second. Our hospital have remained COVID free for a couple of weeks at least now, and we had yet to see any person come in with COVID who had the vaccine.
With that being said, it’s when the virus has mutated enough, say in a year or so, we’ll know for sure whether the vaccines can continue to have a grip of it.
Mutations should reduce more or less in direct correlation to total infections, which will be pushed ever downwards by vaccination and actual SARS-CoV-2 infections and therefore will hopefully become less and less of an issue. It doesn't mean we can't get one or more bad variant of course but the chances are gradually reducing.
I'd guess the worry is that with vaccination increasing and the weather improving as we go into summer, that any rise in cases is worrying. With so many vaccinated you would hope the next wave would be significantly attenuated but unless we get to the HIT (whatever that is. Maybe around 75-80%) then another wave is possible.
I imagine its a mixture of them all. The UK (for once actually true) does have world leading sequencing data I believe. We also have an almost uniquely large Indian diaspora in Western terms (only country which has more total is USA, only ones which have more per capita are Canada and maybe NZ?
But of course we've also had an excellent chance to stop it at source and implement a good border policy. If still not for everyone, at least for countries with variants of concern....but alas. We don't think that far ahead. Idiots.
Little WFH update, I'm sure there was another thread for this kind of thing but can't find it...
Work gave us an update a fortnight ago that we would be planning a return to the office after 21st June. Since WFH work have bought a new office on the same street which none of us have been in yet. We've been told inductions in to the building (Managed space) will be from 21st June and the earliest we will be back in the office is 5th July.
They then sent out a survey to employees with options like:
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work but I have some concerns about COVID.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction but I would not like to return to office work just yet due to concerns about COVID.
No I don't want to have my induction or return to office work.
I picked the 3rd option and gave a ton of rationale. My personal circumstances have changed. Girlfriend went back off maternity last year and was made redundant instantly and lost her company car, we now have one. She started a new job last week and has 12 weeks training in the office then permanent work from home. I don't want to buy a second car for the sake of a few weeks commute. My son is also 22 months old now and we had to find a nursery at 10 days notice for this new job and so we don't have all the days we want and have had to patch it together with family etc. WFH makes it work.
Just got a call invite for Friday afternoon to discuss with the entire business unit. Typical shit house behaviour when they want to drop a bad message that people can't then act on or discuss in work time haha. Man, I'm really dreading a 1 hour commute each way and my freedoms being pulled from under me. We delivered our best ever performance last financial year too working from home.
Work gave us an update a fortnight ago that we would be planning a return to the office after 21st June. Since WFH work have bought a new office on the same street which none of us have been in yet. We've been told inductions in to the building (Managed space) will be from 21st June and the earliest we will be back in the office is 5th July.
They then sent out a survey to employees with options like:
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction and return to office work but I have some concerns about COVID.
Yes I'm happy to have my induction but I would not like to return to office work just yet due to concerns about COVID.
No I don't want to have my induction or return to office work.
I picked the 3rd option and gave a ton of rationale. My personal circumstances have changed. Girlfriend went back off maternity last year and was made redundant instantly and lost her company car, we now have one. She started a new job last week and has 12 weeks training in the office then permanent work from home. I don't want to buy a second car for the sake of a few weeks commute. My son is also 22 months old now and we had to find a nursery at 10 days notice for this new job and so we don't have all the days we want and have had to patch it together with family etc. WFH makes it work.
Just got a call invite for Friday afternoon to discuss with the entire business unit. Typical shit house behaviour when they want to drop a bad message that people can't then act on or discuss in work time haha. Man, I'm really dreading a 1 hour commute each way and my freedoms being pulled from under me. We delivered our best ever performance last financial year too working from home.
@Ady87, the options they gave you are ridicuous. Many people won't want to return at short notice because like you, your family situation has changed during the pandemic and they need more time to get things organised. It's nothing to do with being fearful of Covid.
The fourth option they gave you seems like a fast-track to getting rid of people, on the premise that they've refused an induction.
The fourth option they gave you seems like a fast-track to getting rid of people, on the premise that they've refused an induction.
Think that's a fair approach from your employer, what's their take on WFH post lock down ?
We have been told it will be 3 days in the office from June 21st and then 4 days from August , no excuses really unless you are shielding.
All BS anyway as most of the departments won't have enough desk space for everyone to return in mass
They seem to have missed 'Yes I'm happy to have my induction but I would not like to return to office as I am as productive, if not more from home, it saves me 2 hours a day in commute, it saves me money on fuel and car wear and tear, and is better for the environment'
Well, I’ve now got to self isolate for 5 days. NHS test and trace has buzzed me and my Mrs today.
Good to see it's doing it's job.
Not that I think it's anywhere near perfect, before some idiot jumps on me.
Yeah, I’m presuming it’s just picked up our neighbours Bluetooth as they’re both really ill withCovid right now. Even so, I’ll do my bit and stay inside.
I’ve had to reschedule my second jab which was due tomorrow.