Pogba

Pogba will never and I repeat never give us back what we all want him to give back. He isn't capable of it, he won't get us any closer to winning shit. Let's play him deep no sorry let's play him centrally no wait let's play him as an attacking midfielder no wait he should play out left.
He has been here what 5 years and we don't know shit how to use him and half of the time he just isn't showing up.
If Woody has a chance to getting rid he should snap their hands of now.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Curious, If Pogba didn't create, would you mention Kantes name in the blame for the lack of creativity?
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Is that post directed at me?
What did I say about Kante in my post?

RedStarUnited said:
Knowing their personalities, theres no way in hell you guys think Rabiot was the calm one whilst Pogba is abusing him.

That transcript is bullshit.
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I don't know, I don't care, and I already said it's impossible to prove it's true therefore I wouldn't put much attention to it.
 
While hedge fund owners are not great, one thing they understand most of the time is sunk cost fallacy. Business operators, on the other hand, many times 'double down' way too often.

United need to learn to be more like the former and cut players early or let them walk. Offering Pogba a new contract at this time is asinine.

Either sell him this summer or play him and let him test the market next summer as a free agent (only entertain in bringing him back if he's not happy with the offers he is receiving and comes back asking to re-sign at a wage lower than market value that is beneficial to utd).
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I wonder if people would still post this bollox even if we had a sticky in bold capitals stating SAF OFFERED POGBA A CONTRACT & WAS DESPERATE FOR HIM TO STAY.

How many times do folk need reminding that Pogba left against SAF’s wishes?
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I think time has definitely shown that Sir Alex was right (shock, horror ...he knows more than us armchair fans) that Pogba wasn't ready to play in a 4-4-2 system at that time, which is the system we played virtually every game back then. He obviously didn't trust him to hold his position but obviously he wanted Pogba to stay.

I wonder if Pogba would have turned out to be a different type of midfielder if both SAF and he had stayed or if he'd have got annoyed with him like he did with Paul Ince.
 
Irwin99 said:
I think time has definitely shown that Sir Alex was right (shock, horror ...he knows more than us armchair fans) that Pogba wasn't ready to play in a 4-4-2 system at that time, which is the system we played virtually every game back then. He obviously didn't trust him to hold his position but obviously he wanted Pogba to stay.
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There’s a great interview with Fletcher who was doing some coaching in the reserves at the time of the Blackburn game where he states Pogba was never going to start - he wasn’t even trusted to start in a two for the reserves let alone the first team - and to get the best out of Pogba you play him higher up. Oddly enough like we’ve been doing since he arrived as a coach. Give him a new contract and play him as a playmaker with a free role on the left.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I doubt it, but that’d have little to do with his qualities, but just because of pride.
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Definitely largely pride, I am sure SAF was as stubborn as they come but also maybe a doubt about his decision making but he wouldn't have tried to persuade him to stay if he doubted his footballing qualities
 
Mickeza said:
There’s a great interview with Fletcher who was doing some coaching in the reserves at the time of the Blackburn game where he states Pogba was never going to start - he wasn’t even trusted to start in a two for the reserves let alone the first team - and to get the best out of Pogba you play him higher up. Oddly enough like we’ve been doing since he arrived as a coach. Give him a new contract and play him as a playmaker with a free role on the left.
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I also remember Fergie played him on the wings in one game, RW if I recall.
 
Escobar said:
He would have bought him back. It was a no brainer
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So he said several times he doesn't like Raiola and even described him as a scumbag but it's no brainer he would have dealt with him again just for Pogba's quality. Makes sense.
 
Not a chance Fergie would have paid 90m to bring him back after him leaving for nowt and give Raiola a shitload of money ontop, bloody hell :lol:
 
arthurka said:
Pogba will never and I repeat never give us back what we all want him to give back. He isn't capable of it, he won't get us any closer to winning shit. Let's play him deep no sorry let's play him centrally no wait let's play him as an attacking midfielder no wait he should play out left.
He has been here what 5 years and we don't know shit how to use him and half of the time he just isn't showing up.
If Woody has a chance to getting rid he should snap their hands of now.
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Sort of agree with this in spite of me being a huge Pogba fan. He's just not the type of player we need right now.
 
Fergie obviously wouldn't have brought him back.

Probably not even if Pogba had ditched Raiola and publicly declared him a...what was it again? A shit bag, yes - a shit bag.
 
clarkydaz said:
Not a chance Fergie would have paid 90m to bring him back after him leaving for nowt and give Raiola a shitload of money ontop, bloody hell :lol:
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True. No chance. I doubt even if Raiola wasnt his agent that he would have brought him back. Especially not for 90 million.
 
I think the signing of Sancho is preparation for life post-Pogba. We seem to be looking at CMs that can play in a 2 and I'm personally pessimistic about Pogba extending his contract, so it all makes sense.
 
Fergies view of agents, Raiola aside as he's pretty much disliked by every club, was always an interesting one. Completely against the agent fees related to signing Hazard, but didn't mind lining the pockets of a certain Mendes.
 
UncleBob said:
Fergies view of agents, Raiola aside as he's pretty much disliked by every club, was always an interesting one. Completely against the agent fees related to signing Hazard, but didn't mind lining the pockets of a certain Mendes.
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Mendes obviously was happy to give us good deals and keep a good relationship with Sir Alex, he had a different approach to Raiola, who thought it's wise to mess around with one of the most influential football people ever.
 
Borys said:
Is that post directed at me?
What did I say about Kante in my post?
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Your post said that whatever good Pogba did going forward was countered balanced by how much the Swiss were able to attack France. Which insinuates to me that Pogba needs to defend better, right?

Hence me asking, If France were defensively secure but created nothing, would Pogba's midfield partner (Kante) get any blame for not helping the team attack more the same way Pogba gets blamed for not defending better?
 
We either need to replace him this season or let him go free next season and replace him then. Selling him this season would hurt our chances as we have mostly settled team and we about to add 2 high quality players to that team. Also not sure we will have finances left to replace him. Not considering Camaviga as replacement as he is quite young and moving to PL isnt always easy.


Maybe 1 year extension so that we can sell him next season for an agreed fee. Should be agreeable to all parties as that will fetch Pogba more money this season and guarantees us fee next season.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
So what's his best position? I would like to hear an answer that doesn't involve a thousand players covering up for him in the midfield where he doesn't hold any defensive duties at all.
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I don't get it, we all agree that Pogba is not the best on defending so why expect that from him when we can use him in s position were he will perform. Saying that we need find a position for him where he doesn't need cover is weird, all offensive players needs cover? Football is about 11 players working together and making each other better, and if we need to have someone covering for Pogba to perform like in the Euros, then find the player to do it. Pogba is by far the best players we have, we just need to find someone, to do exactly what you don't we want us to do, and that it is to cover up for him when he is pushing up the ball, taking the risky passing, dribblings or shots. If Fernandes didn't have Fred and Mctominey covering up for him every time his loses the ball we would be furious with him because teams would destroy us in counter attacks. Look up how many more "mistakes" Fernandes does every game then Pogba, if we played Pogba in a more offensive position with the same freedom (like we did in some games in the end of season were he was our by far best player), he would be more effective. Bruno can't play as deep as Pogba so we have to play Pogba in his wrong position, he should play in 3 man midfield where he has a CDM + a box to box COVERING when he makes his runs.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Your post said that whatever good Pogba did going forward was countered balanced by how much the Swiss were able to attack France. Which insinuates to me that Pogba needs to defend better, right?

Hence me asking, If France were defensively secure but created nothing, would Pogba's midfield partner (Kante) get any blame for not helping the team attack more the same way Pogba gets blamed for not defending better?
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I do not think that in a team of Benzema, Griezmann, Mbappe, Coman as front 4 Kante is responsible for creating chances. More than that, I don't think this is Pogba responsibility either!
It is actually an interesting discussion, and it boils down to what do you actually expect from you midfield.

If you play two man midfield, you don't need to be super creative, I wouldn't hold that against Pogba/Kante. Their job is to provide base for front 4 to play their game, and ensure midfield is sealed. Watching France vs Switzerland, I didn't get that feeling they were safe in midfield, as the Swiss were cutting them through the middle easily, especially in the first half. Which is why I'm surprised they are so highly rated after the game.
Pogba didn't have an outstanding game, he had an outstanding offensive performance which is the same if you play in an attacking position. But if you play in midfield, you have different responsibilities. It's surprising so many people are willing to accept his flaws even if the good performance happens every 4/5 games.
At this point problem doesn't lie with Pogba, rather whoever is choosing him for midfielder role.
 
DoomSlayer said:
I think the signing of Sancho is preparation for life post-Pogba. We seem to be looking at CMs that can play in a 2 and I'm personally pessimistic about Pogba extending his contract, so it all makes sense.
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Which I wouldn't mind tbh because Pogba, as good as he can be, doesn't consistently give us the level of performances one would expect from a player of his reputation and stutus. Replacing Pogba with a player more capable of playing at the base of the midfield is perfectly fine with me especially now when we have more creativity coming in from Sancho.
 
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So, what I'm getting from that is Rabiots mum is a dickhead completely lacking in social decorum.
The type of which can often be found watching her kids under 11 match wearing a dressing gown and slippers, hurling abuse at the referee and other parents.
 
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ayushreddevil9 said:
So what's his best position? I would like to hear an answer that doesn't involve a thousand players covering up for him in the midfield where he doesn't hold any defensive duties at all.
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He's basically like Gerrard where they're both supposedly world class midfielders when in actual fact they're better off further upfront where they've no defensive responsibility and you're not relying on them to cover anyone because they're going to be out of position as soon as you need them to defend.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
I don't get it, we all agree that Pogba is not the best on defending so why expect that from him when we can use him in s position were he will perform. Saying that we need find a position for him where he doesn't need cover is weird, all offensive players needs cover? Football is about 11 players working together and making each other better, and if we need to have someone covering for Pogba to perform like in the Euros, then find the player to do it. Pogba is by far the best players we have, we just need to find someone, to do exactly what you don't we want us to do, and that it is to cover up for him when he is pushing up the ball, taking the risky passing, dribblings or shots. If Fernandes didn't have Fred and Mctominey covering up for him every time his loses the ball we would be furious with him because teams would destroy us in counter attacks. Look up how many more "mistakes" Fernandes does every game then Pogba, if we played Pogba in a more offensive position with the same freedom (like we did in some games in the end of season were he was our by far best player), he would be more effective. Bruno can't play as deep as Pogba so we have to play Pogba in his wrong position, he should play in 3 man midfield where he has a CDM + a box to box COVERING when he makes his runs.
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There is just no way on earth that Pogba is our best player.
 
Rather keep him for 1 more season and let him go on a free next season. The reported fee we would get if sold this season is abysmal and with all these quality players we are apparently looking to sign, I would love to finally see how Pogba does with more quality players around him. Who knows, he may change his mind and then want a new contract if he feels we actually may be able to compete for trophies.

If he does still plan to leave, then in January 2022 he would be allowed to talk to other clubs and even agree a pre-contract agreement. As we would now know his decision we have 6 months to start to find a suitable replacement for him. At this point, as it appears we are building a solid squad, the only areas we would then need to strengthen would probably be Pogba's replacement, a replacement for Cavani if he goes and maybe a goalkeeper.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
I don't get it, we all agree that Pogba is not the best on defending so why expect that from him when we can use him in s position were he will perform. Saying that we need find a position for him where he doesn't need cover is weird, all offensive players needs cover? Football is about 11 players working together and making each other better, and if we need to have someone covering for Pogba to perform like in the Euros, then find the player to do it. Pogba is by far the best players we have, we just need to find someone, to do exactly what you don't we want us to do, and that it is to cover up for him when he is pushing up the ball, taking the risky passing, dribblings or shots. If Fernandes didn't have Fred and Mctominey covering up for him every time his loses the ball we would be furious with him because teams would destroy us in counter attacks. Look up how many more "mistakes" Fernandes does every game then Pogba, if we played Pogba in a more offensive position with the same freedom (like we did in some games in the end of season were he was our by far best player), he would be more effective. Bruno can't play as deep as Pogba so we have to play Pogba in his wrong position, he should play in 3 man midfield where he has a CDM + a box to box COVERING when he makes his runs.
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Really? Based on his performances for us?
 
SWE-Chucky said:
I don't get it, we all agree that Pogba is not the best on defending so why expect that from him when we can use him in s position were he will perform. Saying that we need find a position for him where he doesn't need cover is weird, all offensive players needs cover? Football is about 11 players working together and making each other better, and if we need to have someone covering for Pogba to perform like in the Euros, then find the player to do it. Pogba is by far the best players we have, we just need to find someone, to do exactly what you don't we want us to do, and that it is to cover up for him when he is pushing up the ball, taking the risky passing, dribblings or shots. If Fernandes didn't have Fred and Mctominey covering up for him every time his loses the ball we would be furious with him because teams would destroy us in counter attacks. Look up how many more "mistakes" Fernandes does every game then Pogba, if we played Pogba in a more offensive position with the same freedom (like we did in some games in the end of season were he was our by far best player), he would be more effective. Bruno can't play as deep as Pogba so we have to play Pogba in his wrong position, he should play in 3 man midfield where he has a CDM + a box to box COVERING when he makes his runs.
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Well we aren't dropping Bruno so there is no place for Pogba because with either of them we need two more defensive CMs. Unless we put him out left like we have done.
 
elmo said:
He's basically like Gerrard where they're both supposedly world class midfielders when in actual fact they're better off further upfront where they've no defensive responsibility and you're not relying on them to cover anyone because they're going to be out of position as soon as you need them to defend.
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Nothing like Gerrard. Gerrard was very good defensively. Maybe Lampard if you really wanted to make a comparison.
 
Alfie092 said:
Rather keep him for 1 more season and let him go on a free next season. The reported fee we would get if sold this season is abysmal and with all these quality players we are apparently looking to sign, I would love to finally see how Pogba does with more quality players around him. Who knows, he may change his mind and then want a new contract if he feels we actually may be able to compete for trophies.

If he does still plan to leave, then in January 2022 he would be allowed to talk to other clubs and even agree a pre-contract agreement. As we would now know his decision we have 6 months to start to find a suitable replacement for him. At this point, as it appears we are building a solid squad, the only areas we would then need to strengthen would probably be Pogba's replacement, a replacement for Cavani if he goes and maybe a goalkeeper.
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Imagine the amout of money clubs will demand from us next year if they know Pogba is leaving.
There's no way he's staying for another year if he doesn't sign a new deal. That would be financial distater.

We're working on Pogba replacement. He's as good as gone. We won't let that happen before the negotiations end.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
I don't get it, we all agree that Pogba is not the best on defending so why expect that from him when we can use him in s position were he will perform. Saying that we need find a position for him where he doesn't need cover is weird, all offensive players needs cover? Football is about 11 players working together and making each other better, and if we need to have someone covering for Pogba to perform like in the Euros, then find the player to do it. Pogba is by far the best players we have, we just need to find someone, to do exactly what you don't we want us to do, and that it is to cover up for him when he is pushing up the ball, taking the risky passing, dribblings or shots. If Fernandes didn't have Fred and Mctominey covering up for him every time his loses the ball we would be furious with him because teams would destroy us in counter attacks. Look up how many more "mistakes" Fernandes does every game then Pogba, if we played Pogba in a more offensive position with the same freedom (like we did in some games in the end of season were he was our by far best player), he would be more effective. Bruno can't play as deep as Pogba so we have to play Pogba in his wrong position, he should play in 3 man midfield where he has a CDM + a box to box COVERING when he makes his runs.
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Talent wise he probably is, but the vast majority of United fans can see that even after 5 years here he hasn't been able to pull it all together. That's extremely damning of how his career has gone at the club. He blows hot and cold and last season showed we might well be better off without him, assuming we make the appropriate adjustments.
 
Borys said:
Imagine the amout of money clubs will demand from us next year if they know Pogba is leaving.
There's no way he's staying for another year if he doesn't sign a new deal. That would be financial distater.

We're working on Pogba replacement. He's as good as gone. We won't let that happen before the negotiations end.
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I'm just saying what I would prefer and that is keeping Pogba.

I also believe he is most likely to go, with only a small chance of him staying and whether he goes this season or not, clubs already know Pogba is leaving and would demand a higher fee for their players anyways...
 
Alfie092 said:
I'm just saying what I would prefer and that is keeping Pogba.

I also believe he is most likely to go, with only a small chance of him staying and whether he goes this season or not, clubs already know Pogba is leaving and would demand a higher fee for their players anyways...
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This is why club is leaking "news" like the OP in this thread. It's a negotiation tactics - although there is a chance he'll sign a new deal, I'd expect we'll be very reluctant to give him a payrise because he's not a strategic asset for us anymore.
 
I hope he leaves. I really can't stand him anymore. Sounds harsh, but I was never his biggest fan and I just feel we wouldn't be worse without him in the squad and with the likes of VdB getting more gametime...and I've had enough of his circus.
 
Borys said:
This is why club is leaking "news" like the OP in this thread. It's a negotiation tactics - although there is a chance he'll sign a new deal, I'd expect we'll be very reluctant to give him a payrise because he's not a strategic asset for us anymore.
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I don't think being a strategic asset enters in the minds of the top echelon. Rightly or wrongly it's the marketing value they'll be looking at as the most important factor on whether or not to give him a pay rise if Pogba decides he wants to stay. The club are desperate to keep him on his marketing value alone which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they're prepared to offer him a lucrative contract to make it happen.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
I don't think being a strategic asset enters in the minds of the top echelon. Rightly or wrongly it's the marketing value they'll be looking at as the most important factor on whether or not to give him a pay rise if Pogba decides he wants to stay. The club are desperate to keep him on his marketing value alone which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they're prepared to offer him a lucrative contract to make it happen.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we offered him a bumper payrise and he signs a new deal with us, as I wouldn't be surprised if he left us this summer for a minimal transfer fee.
 
DoomSlayer said:
I think the signing of Sancho is preparation for life post-Pogba. We seem to be looking at CMs that can play in a 2 and I'm personally pessimistic about Pogba extending his contract, so it all makes sense.
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Exactly my thoughts. With Sancho we already have a top playmaker in our hands. Now if we could also solve our DM issues (someone who is solid defensively, but at same time could also pass abit and bring ball forward well), we would then solve most of our main issues.
 
On his day he is out best player, but those days don't happen often enough
 
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