F1 2021 Season

Horner : “I hope Lewis Hamilton is very happy with himself”

:lol: mardy prick
 
Leclerc shows what Max should've done.
If you run off the track then thats not the right thing clearly (both drivers have to give room) Lewis also backed out of the move on the corner that time too. As Jenson said LeClerc probably didnt want to get shunted (in other words didnt trust Hamilton)
 
max shows him to the inside by positioning himself on the outside (racing line) he clearly expected hamilton to back out, but he didn’t.

if he was smart he would have pushed him to the outside and held the inside of the corner forcing lewis wide.

it’s a racing incident, they both made errors.
 
Max's car is that much faster, he could have given Lewis the ground and reeled him back in later in the race.

Likely that Lewis psyched him out by driving all over him on the first lap. If the roles are reversed, I suggest that's what Lewis would have done.
 
This sets a bad precedent though. Imagine if we are at the tail end of the season and have a very close title race. If the leader knows that they will get a 10s penalty for pushing thier rival off track, then they will do it.
Championships have been won when a driver purposely took himself and his rival out of the race.

Besides, this move by Lewis has been done multiple times by Max himself, he's just lucky that the other drivers weren't being complete idiots and that they backed out to save themselves from crashing.
 
Leclerc shows what Max should've done.
Max will never yield to Lewis, they’re both racers fighting for the title, I won’t be surprised if we see this again.

I want to see the RBR reaction if it’s Max picking up the penalty this time, not sure if they will be calling for him to banned from the race.
 
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.

Mate you embarrass yourself more and more every day in this thread. You're still pretending the Merc is faster this year? Give it a rest already.
 
Hopefully Red Bull get a heavy penalty and a race suspension for Max due to Horners derogatory comments
 
I honestly don't see it going that way. I think the experience of Mercedes and Hamilton will win out eventually. My feeling was that Max and RB had to pile on the points in the first half of the season and hold off the inevitable Mercedes response. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hamilton walk away with it again.
There wont be a response this is it for upgrades for almost all teams. Hungary is the last race before summer break. Then ever team switches focus to 2022 cars 100%. You can't afford not to otherwise it could takes years to catchup.

Looking at the races left, it will be max's first WDC and he deserves one (as does leclerc eventually).

They will tangle again no doubt.

I am a big lewis fan, but no issues with max. Horner on the other hand....
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
 
Because other teams don’t do it too, of course.
No team should be allowed to do it. I hated it as well when I had passion to watch every race, prac and quali during Hakkinen and Schumacher era. Its no race if you are not allowed to race against your teammate.
 
no idea where you’re going with this.

hamilton is in a fast car yes, but bottas is in the same. he can’t do what hamilton can, so surely that emphasis just how good he is?
All that proves is that Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas and in a car a second faster than Ferrari. What exactly were you trying to say when you pointed out why Bottas couldn't get past Leclerc. Isn't the answer simple - Bottas is not good enough to pass Leclerc even in a faster car. What has Hamilton got to do with it?
 
Come on, really?

Norris let him past. And Hamilton had passed Leclerc a good 2-3 car lengths before the corner. Not comparable at all.
Yet Horner made a case to the race director that no racer would ever try to pass on that corner because it is impossible.
 
You see comments like this and you have to marvel at the power of fanboyism.

How is your view of that incident this badly distorted? :lol:
Lewis was up his side before the turn and Max still decided to cut. It wouldn’t have helped if Lewis drove the line as tight as possible. So blaming this on Lewis alone is bullshit.
 
Max will never yield to Lewis, they’re both racers fighting for the title, I won’t be surprised if we see this again.

I want to see the RBR reaction if it’s Max picking up the penalty this time, not sure if they will be calling for him to banned from the race.
Agree, they won't. Max took out perez last year (who went on to win) no penalty which was clearer than this.
 
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
Your living in a alternative reality mate if you think the Mercedes is the fastest car on the grid.
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
Hamilton backed out vs LeClerc and was also tighter in the corner. Didnt stop LeClerc shitting himself though ha
 
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
Get off this forum if Englishman gets on your nerve that much and join a max fanclub forum where everyone will agree with you that Max is the greatest driver of all time and everyone else is just wrong.
 
no idea where you’re going with this.

hamilton is in a fast car yes, but bottas is in the same. he can’t do what hamilton can, so surely that emphasis just how good he is?
All that proves is that Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas and in a car a second faster
Not decided either way yet.
From what I have seen, yeah the 10 second was maybe right, but taken out no totally disagree with you, seen incidents like it many times and the same penalty has been given out.
But if you think he took him out, deliberately, wish the risk of taking himself out also, you knock your socks off..
Winning from where he was after the penalty, was an excellent drive, but you won't agree and that's OK.
I initially pointed out that Hamilton took out the only car which could have beaten him as the second Red Bull was way behind and obviously not as good as Hamilton. What was wrong in that statement? Mercs are way faster than Ferrari and that showed today in the closing stages. Leclerc was doing personal bests but still Hamilton was a second quicker pretty much the last 13-14 laps on slightly older tyres. That simply shows the advantage Mercs have on Ferrari.
If he had done this to Max and Red Bull of this season, then one could actually call it the brilliant drive that you claim it was.
 
This sets a bad precedent though. Imagine if we are at the tail end of the season and have a very close title race. If the leader knows that they will get a 10s penalty for pushing thier rival off track, then they will do it.
If you deliberately push someone off the track you can expect to damage your own car and can't be sure that it is going to be race ending for the person you push. The idea that someone can use this as a race tactic is just crazy.
 
"I hope Lewis is proud of himself" and "hollow victory" among other things. Was embarrassing and below his station as a team leader really.
Will also escalate the rivalry to potential dangerous levels when he should be keeping everyone safe.

We all know the roles could've been reversed between Max and Lewis for today's crash, and might be in the future.
 
All that proves is that Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas and in a car a second faster

I initially pointed out that Hamilton took out the only car which could have beaten him as the second Red Bull was way behind and obviously not as good as Hamilton. What was wrong in that statement? Mercs are way faster than Ferrari and that showed today in the closing stages. Leclerc was doing personal bests but still Hamilton was a second quicker pretty much the last 13-14 laps on slightly older tyres. That simply shows the advantage Mercs have on Ferrari.
If he had done this to Max and Red Bull of this season, then one could actually call it the brilliant drive that you claim it was.
Its still a brilliant drive
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.

Yeah Max seems to get a pass for being overly aggressive, he's been treated with kid gloves by stewards most of his career, and it's basically forces drivers to back out and give him the advantage.

He was just as aggressive as Lewis for that entire first lap, as you say weaving all over the place, for me he's just as guilty for the contact.
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
This is the most accurate description of the incident I have seen. I fear that was Horners inflammatory response Max will drive even more aggressively in the future. Could cause more damage.
 
No, not at all. He and the British fans simply know no shame. He can look forward to the reception at Zandvoort.
Give it up ! you post English fans have no shame,them you post this, double standards, can't have it both ways.
You can't moan about fans doing something, then say, your going to do the same.
Lewis was ALWAYS going to be given a hard time at Zandvoort.
 
Can't believe this idiot got rewarded for taking out Verstappen .
Lewis Hamilton feckin cheat
The stewards have calculated the penalty well.
It’s easy to win when you take out the superior car at the beginning
Turns out Hamilton can find the apex on that corner when he needs to.
Take out your competitor and gain 25 points.
We all knew that he knows this track like the back of his hand, he knew what he was doing when he took his biggest rival out and got away with it.
Cheaters always win.
It's dead rigged sport and has been for over ten years or more.
Sad day for F1 really. That 10 second penatly was a joke and the win proved it. If Max can't race next weekend, then that's another 15-20 points in the bag. Classless.
Why do people watch Lewis Hamilton fanclub events all year and complain about the stewards, the interviewers and commentators being fans and Hamilton blowing his own trumpet again after another very lucky one?
This sets a bad precedent though. Imagine if we are at the tail end of the season and have a very close title race. If the leader knows that they will get a 10s penalty for pushing thier rival off track, then they will do it.


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