F1 2021 Season
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And, other than on lap 1, no racer did. Hamilton was ahead of Leclerc at the end of the straight. And he was way ahead of Norris. Didn't come from behind to pass either during the corner.
To suggest Lewis took Max out on purpose is a new low for him.
You just made it so much easier to know wbo are the loons in this thread
Think you need to watch the replays mate.
Again I can understand where your coming from.For me though it is a problem in the sport.
Of course we all want to watch racing, thats what we're here for.
In my opinion though, this incident was the fault of Lewis, and I don't think it was on purpose, but in my opinion, Max was ahead and had the right to the line he choses at this point.
Now the fact that Hamilton takes him out, and catches up 25 valuable points in the process for me doesn't really sit right with the sport. Not saying I know what could be done
My thoughts are 60/40 Lewis error, 10 seconds was about right, Kim did the same to Lewis few seasons ago and got 10 seconds.
Both could have avoided it, neither did, the end.
No doubt the same people that complain about F1 not being competitive anymore and racing is dead etc. We all know if it was the other way around they would be defending Max and saying it's Lewis' fault. So predictable.You just made it so much easier to know wbo are the loons in this thread
Interesting compilation on Sky of the various Max overtakes on Lewis which would've been contact if Lewis hadn't have backed out of it. At least 3 times.
E.g. Barcelona and Austria where in there I think.
E.g. Barcelona and Austria where in there I think.
Watching the analysis from Karun again and you can see how Max could have avoided this as well, it’s done now but the teams really need to a take a breather before talking shit on live TV.
Ladies and gentleman take a bow for the GOAT.
To you mere mortals his name is Sir. Lewis. Hamilton.
It’s coming home.
To you mere mortals his name is Sir. Lewis. Hamilton.
It’s coming home.
Karun sums it up perfectly there, both at fault for differing reasons
He’s always been a pathetic little man.
Absolutely not. It’d be an absurd thing to suggest. You’d be called mad if you said that his driving in this entire race itself was aggressive…..
He only overtakes on straights and asks for the drivers permission before attempting
Karun speaks a lot of sense. It's a racing incident end of.
I don't see why Lewis should have pulled back. Plenty of space for Max to drive in yet he turns into Lewis.
Glad to see Horners true self though. Always fantastic sportsmanship.
Glad to see Horners true self though. Always fantastic sportsmanship.
You've just jinxed it mate.
100%.
You probably defended that Sterling dive and England fans behaviour last weekend.
Think you need to log out for a while, entitled Englishman FFS !
Fastest car, are you watching the same races, the Red Bull is faster any fool can see that.
I quite like Max he is an extremely talented driver, its his fans that need to to tone it down.
It's not the first time, you have gone on the attack like this, your worst than Santi and he was banned.
One of us does.
Mercedes with Hamilton have totally dominated for so many years. And if you don't support either then you will be pissed off. I totally get it. However, some people are so fed up that they say all sorts of Nonsense. Verstappan is the most aggressive driver on the grid bar none. Hamilton has backed out a couple of times when Max pushed the limits, and the max fan boys have loved it. Everyone said sooner or later Hamilton will not yield. Max puts drivers in many positions like this yield or we will crash.
It was a racing incident for me, because both drivers were to blame. I would have had more sympathy is Max had not been weaving all over the place on that 1st lap, where as other ex drivers said he was all over the place, on home straight he makes a small move left and then moves to the right. Its a double.move and one he does all the time.
He will win the championship that Red Bull is the better car.
It was a racing incident for me, because both drivers were to blame. I would have had more sympathy is Max had not been weaving all over the place on that 1st lap, where as other ex drivers said he was all over the place, on home straight he makes a small move left and then moves to the right. Its a double.move and one he does all the time.
He will win the championship that Red Bull is the better car.
At last a post with some Common sense.
In fairness to Horner, and this is the only time I will ever say that, it's probably pretty easy to get carried away after an incident and convince yourself that the other driver is trying to hit you, I remember Hamilton and Wolff suggesting Kimi crashed into Hamilton on purpose at the same circuit in 2018 (Vettel had done the same to Bottas at the previous race). Think they both apologised the next day.
Dunno, Webber said that during Hamilton's charge at Leclerc and he still won. Maybe he's just immune to that kind of jinx.
Thanks for the responses, and I completely take on board what you are saying.
I have always been a Williams fan, so I can honestly say I have no truck in this fight.
I'm probably basing this much more on my own judgment and gut feeling. I take your point about upgrades and focusing on the 2022 car. I just get a sense that the fact Mercedes have been so dominant for the last seven seasons means that they have been there and done that. I also think that Red Bull are worried. They have the better car at the moment, but not by much, and Verstappen has been driving out of his skin. I hink Horner's response feels like genuine concern about a loss of momentum.
I think Hamilton has been making mistakes he would not ordinarliy make, and he could still improve his driving. That, coupled with the winning mentality, and the pressure on Verstappen to win his first title, and on Red Bull to win their first constructors since 2013 (I think?) will tell.
I still see Lewis winning this, even if the car is not as good, and this will probably be his best championship.
Brilliantly put. Very good post.
I just have, on Sky. Both passes side by side on a splitscreen.
So yes, one of us does.
Nothing against Max, but I want Hamilton to win.
Max will win plenty of World Championships, when Lewis retires, and good luck to him.
In the meantime, Go Lewis!
I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.
Pretty much my thoughts also.
I don't dislike Max, I see a lot of Lewis in him, eager to win at all costs.
It some of his fans I don't like.
He also gives Hamilton extra space during the corner. Either way whats done it done. These things happen. Max is definately very aggressive but I think his aggresiveness is obviously clouding your judgement on this particularly incident. None of the ex drivers put the blame on Max here because he clearly left enough space and then left even more during the corner.
Looks like Hamilton caught some understeer and couldnt keep it tight. Not malicious but still his fault
It would have been even worse.
Good racing that we all wanted to see but come on fellas, Hamilton should of given him more room. He was never ahead going into that corner even though he thinks he was. Then again I think Max could of let Lewis go and just ran him down but up until the crash, brilliant racing, back and forth.
Huge, positive strides have been made towards safer racing, but all the penalties given in the last two races have just struck me as massively overreactions. Today reminded me of Spain 2016 - that was deemed a racing incident, so why not this? I appreciate that's rhetorical!
And this is when the stewards basically did nothing relative to what they do now.
Horner comes across as a parent of a child who can be a bit of a dick who defends them non-stop.
You know the parent who won't take any criticism of his child at all, and defends till the bitter end.
For someone who is team manager to say what he has about Hamilton is disgraceful.
Never say anything when your angry. Never air your anger in public. He should have come out and say it was not a great day, he is glad that Max is good. And added it was hard racing and no one wants to see a crash and it would have been a better race if Max had still been in the race. This is my problem with Red Bull, he lacks class. For him and Helmet to come out like is poor. Really poor.
Horner won't help Max with this attitude. Horner reminds me of most of ex girlfriends, no accountability. Sit down with Max and tell he is in the lead In the fastest car, no need to shove his balls out at every fecking corner.
You know the parent who won't take any criticism of his child at all, and defends till the bitter end.
For someone who is team manager to say what he has about Hamilton is disgraceful.
Never say anything when your angry. Never air your anger in public. He should have come out and say it was not a great day, he is glad that Max is good. And added it was hard racing and no one wants to see a crash and it would have been a better race if Max had still been in the race. This is my problem with Red Bull, he lacks class. For him and Helmet to come out like is poor. Really poor.
Horner won't help Max with this attitude. Horner reminds me of most of ex girlfriends, no accountability. Sit down with Max and tell he is in the lead In the fastest car, no need to shove his balls out at every fecking corner.
The bitterness is ridiculous
Strikes me as them being scared this will lead to a momentum shift.
Their head would explode and internet would be broken watching Senna/Prost race in Suzuka that day
max’s biggest error was giving lewis the inside line, should have made him go around the outside.