I can’t see him resigning if we kept him - so I feel getting 50-60 million would be good business this summer.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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All my years of watching football, I have never seen a midfielder as micro-analysed as Pogba.
This is a given.
He is expected to be Kante, Xavi and Yaya Toure all in one.
I fully agree with you. It's unreal how much micro-analysis goes into Pogba.
I expect to do his job properly, never seen a player so highly rated lose the ball so much in dangerous positions. It's happened for 5 seasons, he's a complete liability and he did it again for France at the euro's.
The cult of Pogba is very odd.
The cult of Pogba is very odd.
A strong possibility that they skew very young and influenced by their peers and the whole ‘image’ thing.
You've answered this in your second paragraph. He'll get paid loads, still get to play CL each season, still be able to splash himself over social media and have photos of him holding trophies in the air all while playing in an easier league. He'll be able to shine without the same scrutiny. He won't be needed to put in the effort of digging in when times get tough because digging in when things get tough is not his game. His game is looking good on the effort of those around him.
The reception he got when he first came under the fanfare of #POGBACK was very warm and positive. #POGBACK was the usual Pogba style glitterball affair, selling him as the saviour. The warmth and love faded because it became clear he wasn't committed to the cause. My feeling is that you can, and should still play, or attempt to play like a £90m player regardless of teammates. From the outside his attitude looks poor and that's before we've even mentioned his mouthpiece Riaola. And Riaola is his mouthpiece regardless of what the Pogba fanboys think.
Massive disappointment. Let him go where he can get paid the most and look the best for the least effort, that will suit him. I'm not his biggest fan but ...
Victim of his physical appearance.
Where he lost the ball vs Switzerland was not a dangerous position. A 'complete liability' that was Frances best player.
That's because there had never been a top midfielder who is so good in certain aspects of his game and so shit on other aspects of his game. As a creative midfielder Pogba can be immense. He's tall, he's fast, he's blessed with great technique and a great passing range. Talent/physical wise he can shit on every top midfielder of the past 20 years. Then there's the other part of Pogba's game ie his decision making, his workrate, his defensive abilities and the whole circus around the guy which kind of restrains him. These sort of flawed diamonds tend to attract more attention then the typical consistent and boring sort of player. Best was more popular to Charlton and Beckham is more popular to Scholes
How? By who? I genuinely struggle with this one.
No he's not, he's none of them let alone being expected to be all three. Being one of them would be enough.
He goes for nothing in January. No ones getting milked
It's really not. He's in his final year and hasn't shown a seasons worth of consistent form in years
I wish I’d have been as treated as badly as him in that case. One of the highest paid players at the club, turns up when he feels like it, plays wherever he wants, moans about having to be more disciplined for United as opposed to having more freedom at France. Talks about leaving on a regular basis and the club still keep selecting him to play.
I find it hard to justify Pogba being a victim here under and circumstances.
Confident foreign black lad, wears bling jewellery, “lazy” body language on the pitch, loud mouth agent. He was always going to be micro-analysed in this country sadly. There is a section of people who will never get over their idea of what a footballer should be, “good honest lad, passion, blood sweat & tears” and all that.
I’ve said this for a while and it’s constantly derided despite being true, Pogba is one of our most consistent players. He has less bad games than all of his midfield counterparts, including Bruno. He doesn’t have the “G/A” to cover him when he isn’t great in a game.
McTominay can drop a 3/10 every other game, radio silence. Pogba misplaces one pass, all hell breaks loose.
That’s part and parcel of playing for United, earning big money and coming in for a big fee. The reason he’s micro analysed is because he’s so inconsistent but everyone knows he has an ability he fails to channel on most days.
It also doesn’t help that he likes (or his agent likes) the media attention and there’s always a discussion around him going for big money or making more money when he hasn’t really done anything to justify a £100m move and £400k+ a week.
Lukaku got the same treatment when he kept saying he was world class despite not being able to do it against the best. If you’re going to keep putting yourself in the firing line you need to perform on a regular basis to justify the claims.
Plays wherever he wants? What?
I'm sure his desire when he came to United was to play in a 2 man midfield with Fellaini.
More nonsense spouted in these last few pages which is very predictable when discussing Pogba.
What?
He signed for United knowing full well who the playing staff were. He didn’t have to sign.
It’s common knowledge he signed because he was impressed with United’s social media impressions. So he didn’t really care all that much about who he would be playing alongside did he?
He’s played every position in midfield in an attempt to get the best out of him, we still don’t know where his best role is.
To be fair to Pogba, he was probably promised a lot of good things when he came back here. The club had just hired Mourinho, signed Zlatan and the team atmosphere was at an all time high after van Gaal's management. Somehow it just didn’t work out here for him. We as fans too were expecting a lot of good things to happen after that summer
I agree… and although I want Pogba to stay, but it’s possible that any replacement although not as talented will be more consistent and effective.
If we confirm Sancho and get Varane, that will be top club ambitions. Our signings last summer weren’t shabby either.
I wish people would just be honest & say the real reason they don’t like him... It’s the worst kept secret in football.
If we are able to sell for 60m, but sign Varane, Sancho and Camavinga, I would be excited
His celebrations are shit?
Short term for sure, he is a brilliant player. Long term probably not
Are you in capable of googling something? If you’re not clued up on stuff that happened then that’s on you.He came for United's social media presence now
Like I said, more nonsense.
https://m.republicworld.com/sports-...al-madrid-before-man-united-came-calling.html
Various sources but originally from the Athletic.
The facts are:
1)he is a great player
2)he has been inconsistent for us
3)70 million is a fair price
4)he can be replaced, and there are good options out there
5)his agent is a fecking nuisance
Whether he stays, or leaves but is adequately replaced, I'm fine with it.
What tips the scale, is point 5, nobody will miss the Raiola drama.
1)he is a great player
2)he has been inconsistent for us
3)70 million is a fair price
4)he can be replaced, and there are good options out there
5)his agent is a fecking nuisance
Whether he stays, or leaves but is adequately replaced, I'm fine with it.
What tips the scale, is point 5, nobody will miss the Raiola drama.
Couldn't care less about Kane. Van Persie, I love the guy, he won us the league, but no I wouldn't call him a club legend for one great season.
Seeing as he walked from Juve for more money, I doubt they call him a legend, but I could be wrong.
I don't think United fans hate him. He plays for United so why would our own hate him? I am a big fan of Pogba but i can see and understand some sections of the fans haven't really warm to him. It's just his game and the way he plays, or perhaps it's even something to do with his agent. Some older fans also prefer the blood and thunder of the likes of Ince and Keane instead of a showpony who has great technical attributes but loses the ball a lot
Just use analogies. The people who still don’t get that he’s like a high-maintenance luxury item bought by a dumbass only interested in the status symbol will never get it.
He’s like a multimillion pound house with a gym and a pool and all the trappings except none of the toilets flush and have a propensity to spew sewage all over without warning.
He’s like a ‘59 Gibson Les Paul that has an undiagnosable wiring issue where it’ll randomly lose signal mid-concert.
Imagine opening your first post on redcafe with that, good grief
I don't think this is true, he was a club record signing. Bale for example at RM probably got it much worse, Hazard as well. He also has obvious flaws that regularly get highlighted.
What I would say, I don't think I've seen the irrational dislike from people for a player like him before. The blame on him in the Swiss game was just plain odd.
Why stop there? 5,122,407,744,305.00 Iranian Rial
Oh the incredible marketability of Luka Modric, that's me convinced.
If you actually believe he came mainly because of social media, there's no point discussing this any further.
Im not saying you should care about RVP or Kane, more that you should understand that when and if a player makes a career choice to move, they’ll almost always prioritise winning things over simply being loyal. Obvious exceptions like Le Tissier but I think in general players would pick trophies over legend status any day of the week.
There's getting micro-analysed, and then there's the treatment Paul Pogba gets. I don't know how even his biggest detractors would disagree with that. It is always polemic with Paulie.
Good riddance.