Fergie eyeing January deals

pete_8 said:
What's all this talk about Bent...He simply is not a Manchester United Player.
Big fish in a small pond and he's good but simply does not have the class to play for us.
We need to strengthen midfield preferably an up and coming young player.
Or two.....
And obvioulsy we need more quality back up in forward areas.
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he's bloody 22!
how can anyone say he is not 'united' quality
what is united quality? do they need to come with a big reputation? is that united quality?
Saha wasn't exactly a 'huge' name and he was similarly a big fish in a small pond
and he has been simply fantastic for us

is he not united quality?

The day we stop trying to sign big names to appease the muppet fans and start signing the ones that will improve the squad will be a great day indeed

and like many of the cafers say...
who would be more happy sitting on the bench waiting for his chance, whilst still adding depth to our squad?
 
Chapster said:
The day we stop trying to sign big names to appease the muppet fans and start signing the ones that will improve the squad will be a great day indeed
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Without completely disagreeing with you, big names are generally big names for a reason...........

Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, Kaka etc are what you class as "Muppet buys" but would they improve the squad-absolutely!!

Or

Do you go for the likes of Lennon, SWP, Bent.............

IMO the former are better players, but the reason why SAF is not appeasing the "Muppets" is because of NOT JUST because he thinks signing "small names is better for the club but because he has the books to balance (along with personality, work ethics etc to consider).

Would you consider Cantona a "Muppet buy"? Stam, Ruud, Rooney.....the list goes on...........

I'm not saying that spending millions upon millions is the answer but you are so quick to write off these "muppet" buys when "Muppet" buys could be the difference.............
 
Well, only a few days till December and im really excited at the prospect of new arrivals in January, it will be interesting to see who SAF goes for, I have mine favourites but I find it highly unlikey they will arrive at OT ever, let alone in a couple of months.

Lets hope we tie things up quickly like with the Vidic and Evra deals last yr. :cool:
 
izzydiggler said:
Without completely disagreeing with you, big names are generally big names for a reason...........

Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, Kaka etc are what you class as "Muppet buys" but would they improve the squad-absolutely!!

Or

Do you go for the likes of Lennon, SWP, Bent.............

IMO the former are better players, but the reason why SAF is not appeasing the "Muppets" is because of NOT JUST because he thinks signing "small names is better for the club but because he has the books to balance (along with personality, work ethics etc to consider).

Would you consider Cantona a "Muppet buy"? Stam, Ruud, Rooney.....the list goes on...........

I'm not saying that spending millions upon millions is the answer but you are so quick to write off these "muppet" buys when "Muppet" buys could be the difference.............
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SWP is hardly a small name.

But for a really big name we should try to sign Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. Consider yourself told, SAF!
 
McCool said:
SWP is hardly a small name.

But for a really big name we should try to sign Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. Consider yourself told, SAF!
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There's only one to sabotage a point with a poor attempt at humour........
 
Haven't seen enough ofDavis to comment but we need someone who has had at least a little experience of european football.

Hagreaves, De rossi or Gago would be great buys but chances are none of them are coming.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Haven't seen enough ofDavis to comment but we need someone who has had at least a little experience of european football.

Hagreaves, De rossi or Gago would be great buys but chances are none of them are coming.
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Gago probably hasn't even BEEN to europe......
 
bobbobray said:
is reo coker that good?
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He is good and he will get better. Apparently arsenal want to sign him as well.
If arsenal make a bid Ithink we shold at least match them for it because he will become a top quality player one day.
 
izzydiggler said:
Gago probably hasn't even BEEN to europe......
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Europe is basically a way of saying the player has played in pressure cooker situations for his club. For a guy who has played and won the Libetadores I am sure he can handle the pressure.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Europe is basically a way of saying the player has played in pressure cooker situations for his club. For a guy who has played and won the Libetadores I am sure he can handle the pressure.
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Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I'll try not to make the mistake again.
 
United don't need a back up winger we have Park, Richardon, Evra (he can play on the wing) and Lee Martin coming through. We do need backup in CM at the moment I would accept Duscher just as back up not a starter but obviously I would like Hargeaves, Reo Coker (he won't come now with west ham new owner) or Gattuso there goner cost too much money if we bought 1 of them no striker. Before we go for a striker I want to see Rossi on loan were he starts all the games for another EPL club, Ole getting old, smith might never be the same again and Rossi might not make it. I would like Bent he is not United quality people are saying from what I have seen of him he is scored 20+ goals for a shite club with no quality in midfield. I would like Villa over Torres but that is never goner happen I wouldn't say no Torres he does goals for Athletico Madrid and Spain I would not spend 25mil for him.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Haven't seen enough ofDavis to comment but we need someone who has had at least a little experience of european football.

Hagreaves, De rossi or Gago would be great buys but chances are none of them are coming.
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mate hes played international footy for 2 seasons now, against teams like England, Spain, Denmark

Buying a highly rated foreigner doesnt guarantee results - just look at west ham and massacre-ano
 
Form in international football isn't really the barometer it used to be. A lot of the games are poor quality. That's not to say Davis is a bad player, but there are reasons why McCann and Petrov are preferred to him. I think he's good, and not a bad call for us, but it concerns me that he's out of form. Every bit as good a shout as Reo-Coker, though, who people bleat on about. Most of the very best midfielders are either already at big clubs, so it's not easy. I still think we could do better.
 
When is the last time united bought a player who is a substitute at another club in the league?
 
golden_blunder said:
mate hes played international footy for 2 seasons now, against teams like England, Spain, Denmark

Buying a highly rated foreigner doesnt guarantee results - just look at west ham and massacre-ano
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You can't really put Mascherano down as a bad signing because half the clubs in europe would have bought him if it wasn't for the fact that he was owned by an agency. He has flopped so far but nobody could have predicted it based on his performances proir to that.

I agree buying highly rated foreigners doesn't guarantee success but if you had a choicebetween that and buying a developing british talent who hasn't played for a big club which would you choose?
 
Desert Eagle said:
I agree buying highly rated foreigners doesn't guarantee success but if you had a choicebetween that and buying a developing british talent who hasn't played for a big club which would you choose?
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the latter everytime, they have a higher success rate in English football
 
golden_blunder said:
mate hes played international footy for 2 seasons now, against teams like England, Spain, Denmark

Buying a highly rated foreigner doesnt guarantee results - just look at west ham and massacre-ano
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Buying British and cheap imports doesn't guarantee results also......

Check out Sheffield Utd, Watford, Charlton....in recent years, WBA, Ipswich, Norwich................

It could be argued that the spending power of a club is proportional to it's league placing (there are exceptions obviously). But there is definitely a correlation.

Look at Blackburn and Chelsea-nothing without Money!!
Utd and Arsenal, although nurturing (or buying)youngsters, have spent vast amounts on players.
While the lowly clubs are generally the ones who haven't invested enough........

Before people mention Bolton, Wigan and Reading, who have acheived without spending anywhere near the amount most top 4 sides have, I am aware that it's not always the case......

Everybody knows how good Henry, Messi, Rooney etc are so some people like to claim they know more about football than others by claiming that less well known players are great and everybody else is just a "Muppet".

If we didn't buy foreign players because they have trouble settling in then we wouldn't have had some of the greatest players to grace the game..........

I guess football isn't an exact science. There are so many factors and nobody knows what'll happen.......a bit like Chaos theory......perhaps science will come up with an answer how shit liverpool are?!?!
 
izzydiggler said:
Buying British and cheap imports doesn't guarantee results also......

Check out Sheffield Utd, Watford, Charlton....in recent years, WBA, Ipswich, Norwich................

It could be argued that the spending power of a club is proportional to it's league placing (there are exceptions obviously). But there is definitely a correlation.

Look at Blackburn and Chelsea-nothing without Money!!
Utd and Arsenal, although nurturing (or buying)youngsters, have spent vast amounts on players.
While the lowly clubs are generally the ones who haven't invested enough........

Before people mention Bolton, Wigan and Reading, who have acheived without spending anywhere near the amount most top 4 sides have, I am aware that it's not always the case......

Everybody knows how good Henry, Messi, Rooney etc are so some people like to claim they know more about football than others by claiming that less well known players are great and everybody else is just a "Muppet".

If we didn't buy foreign players because they have trouble settling in then we wouldn't have had some of the greatest players to grace the game..........

I guess football isn't an exact science. There are so many factors and nobody knows what'll happen.......a bit like Chaos theory......perhaps science will come up with an answer how shit liverpool are?!?!
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I say muppet buys not because they won't improve our squads (some no doubt would) but because ppl write off young talent that don't have youtube videos or youngsters doing well at small clubs that have yet to attract the eyes of a barcelona or a madrid or a chelsea.

I've no doubt that some big names would defeinitely improve our squad but not all big names or big money signings fit in the premiership
I'd much rather SAF buy someone not so good that is established in the premiership then spending big on a ronaldinho and finding that although a fantastic player, he can't hack it in the league games.
big name signings will demand starting spots
which is exactly what our team doesn't need as it's the depth that we are worried about
 
Who the feck is Davis, do we another lightweight cunto in there. No thanks.

I want us to sign a enforcer.
 
Chapster said:
I say muppet buys not because they won't improve our squads (some no doubt would) but because ppl write off young talent that don't have youtube videos or youngsters doing well at small clubs that have yet to attract the eyes of a barcelona or a madrid or a chelsea.

I've no doubt that some big names would defeinitely improve our squad but not all big names or big money signings fit in the premiership
I'd much rather SAF buy someone not so good that is established in the premiership then spending big on a ronaldinho and finding that although a fantastic player, he can't hack it in the league games.
big name signings will demand starting spots
which is exactly what our team doesn't need as it's the depth that we are worried about
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Well that's my point....I guess.

That there's no such thing as a guarantee buy, even if you spend huge amounts (Veron being the prime example). But too many people's 1st thought on a "star" player is, why they are going to fail.

Imagine if forums existed when we signed Cantona.......there would be outrage about his temperament etc

What you say about squad is correct but I'd prefer that the squad players were as good as the starters and it went on form.....it's no good throwing on a worse striker than you have on the field..................

I think big name players have their place-we won't turn into Real, the whorehouse of the footballing world, just a few to compliment our young exciting talent...........
 
Richardson said:
Who the feck is Davis, do we another lightweight cunto in there. No thanks.

I want us to sign a enforcer.
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Isn't your dildo called Enforcer??
 
Chapster said:
big name signings will demand starting spots
which is exactly what our team doesn't need as it's the depth that we are worried about
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Exactly, it's only squad players we need. Can anyone name 2 first team players they would gladly drop?
 
lorcanjc said:
Exactly, it's only squad players we need. Can anyone name 2 first team players they would gladly drop?
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The idea of a squad is that you have a pool of players all capable making a difference and contributing.

In theory if we got Henry and had Saha on the bench if needs be, he could come and you'd be confident in him scoring.

The other way is have Saha on and you take him off for say Peter Crouch, it's not as good (well some might argue).

In 99 we had Cole and Yorke but then Sheringham and Ole on the bench. Was this not acceptable? It covered all competitions and injuries etc and was one of the reasons for the treble. I await the day we build our squad back to the might it was.......
 
But why change a winning team in the middle of a season izzy? And how much money do you realistically think we are going to spend?
 
lorcanjc said:
But why change a winning team in the middle of a season izzy? And how much money do you realistically think we are going to spend?
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Realistically we might spend nothing but it doesn't stop me from saying what I think should happen.

I know we are top of the league but every season we won it, we used to say to the other teams that you win nothing in November etc.
We should take the same advice we used to give and not be overconfident.

I just see the cracks starting to appear in the squad. We haven't created enough clear chances in the past few games and haven't had the squad to do anything about it.

I see lost points in games against Copenhagen, Celtic and Chelsea that could have been won, with a few more squad players and we have many more games to play.......

I realize that the positives are there and we are playing excellent football, just think we need some quality players in Jan to freshen things and create a back-up.
 
lorcanjc said:
But why change a winning team in the middle of a season izzy? And how much money do you realistically think we are going to spend?
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Your the same type of person that was on here in the summer telling eveyone that our attacking depth would be ok!! And look now we only have two main strikers. We all get in a uproar when we see O'Shea and Fletcher coming off the bench so why the helll!! do we need a nother couple of them just to make our squad look large and value for money!!
 
I htink that's why youngsters will be good as they are the type of players that wouldn't mind coming off the bench and would work their socks off to try and make a difference

either that or you'd need us to sign veteran players

yo uwon't find many solksjaers out there (great players who never complain about being on the bench as they know the team comes first)
 
Many players have been mentioned, but I hope that SAF looks towards the east-european marked again (as he did when he bought Vidic). Players like Daniel Carvalho, Krasic, Modric and Eduardo seems great.
 
andersj said:
Many players have been mentioned, but I hope that SAF looks towards the east-european marked again (as he did when he bought Vidic). Players like Daniel Carvalho, Krasic, Modric and Eduardo seems great.
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Would be a signing not don't know too much bout the others, them CSKA brazilian's have an age over most as they don't have a problem adapting to the wheather!!!
 
the only problem is htat most will come in like vidic wihtout much match time due to the russian season...
 
andersj said:
Many players have been mentioned, but I hope that SAF looks towards the east-european marked again (as he did when he bought Vidic). Players like Daniel Carvalho, Krasic, Modric and Eduardo seems great.
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Eduardo is Dudu.

But very good, probably.
 
I think after various dissapointing performances/results by the squad players i think SAF realises we need i bit more quality in the squad and i would agree. Foriegn/British/Black/white/gay/straight/uppandcoming/muppetbuy i couldnt give a monkeys as long as they add quality to the squad. I do think izzydigggler is right though, people on here almost seem like they are showing off by coming up with really obscure footballers and assuring us thay are better than so called "muppet buys".
 
we need some midfield cover and a a centre forward my 2 would be

Liam Miller
David Bellion

they are the future

:lol:
 
golden_blunder said:
This man knows his onions
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Ive always wondered where that saying comes from...... ideas anyone!?!?

:p
 
Desert Eagle said:
I agree buying highly rated foreigners doesn't guarantee success but if you had a choicebetween that and buying a developing british talent who hasn't played for a big club which would you choose?
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The latter of course.

Keane, Andy Cole, Denis Irwin, Lee Sharpe all have done well for us. All come through not from big clubs, and perhaps never played in Europe before the play for us. They maybe a little expensive, but the risk is less. Also Fergie's record in buying Premiership talents are fantastic.
 
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