I’d suggest that the new realities of Covid economics haven’t struck home in some quarters. Or maybe there’s a bit of desperation in the Pogba/Raiola world: big question is; how badly do PSG want him? From a (admittedly) great distance, I sense insecurity in PP, and a huge need for approval. I heard he got some rebukes in the French camp, for neglect of defensive duties, including from Varane? My guess is - he wants to be loved at OT. Agent (thinking of his pocket) keeps telling him he is under appreciated and needs to leave.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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We had few supporters shouting at him at the end of the 2018 season in which he was our best player. That was defended here as well. Most players had their family on the pitch at that time and Pogba was getting verbally assaulted by this heckler. I have never seen this kind of treatment of any United player in 18 years that I have watched United.
Studs at ball height, please.
worse than the booing off Nani got in one of his last games for us? I’d never seen that before.
Let's just forget the price tag that Pogba has on his head, he has given some incredible performances over the years, on his day he is a rolls Royce of a player, but then problem is his inconsistencies. The interesting thing here would be, would he get better this season now that we have Sancho and Varane in our team and the team has been together for quite sometime under Ole. To be honest, I don't know how he will play this season, part of me wants him to succeed and just grow and become the player we all wanted him to be but then there is this other feeling in my head which says it's better to sell him now and get a player who actually fits in our system and plays consistently. Someone maybe not as flashy or world class as Pogba (on his day), but someone who is willing to work hard and play well consistently.
Think PSG may wait it out a year and just nab him on a free. Might work out better for Raiola/Pogba too with an increased signing bonus.
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here...
Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
Will end like Donnarumma, accepted a lower wage at Psg instead the superior offer by Ac Milan
Because, like Pogba, already decided to leave yrs ago
Maybe at some point he could say I stay or I will sign, but it’s only a wind up and to take time
Because, like Pogba, already decided to leave yrs ago
Maybe at some point he could say I stay or I will sign, but it’s only a wind up and to take time
I'd love it if he went to Barca.
Him and Messi on astronomical wages
Him and Messi on astronomical wages
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here...
Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
Think he might not have the same wage demands there since its his long time dream, and they could also probably give him more as a free agent as Real did with Alaba. In Italy you have the tax rules making it easier as well.
Why are people taking an article by Miguel Delaney seriously? You could talk to someone at the local shop who’d know more than him - he reads what others say and just regurgitates it. He’s the worst journalist around for us and in a world containing Mark Ogden that’s saying something.
To some extent managing Pogba is like managing Gerrard.
On the face of it Pogba and Gerrard are like chalk and cheese, Pogba is all silk and smoothness, Gerrard blood and thunder. However, they are both centre midfielders who are not really centre midfielders.
I remember Benitez playing Gerrard on the wing and then putting Xabi Alonso and Mascherano behind him, because he did not trust Gerrard positionally in a midfield two. England managers did the same thing. It was, on the face of it, a weird one. Gerrard's long passing, his goal threat arriving late from midfield, his commitment and work rate should have made him a brilliant box-to-box midfielder . However, Gerrard's positional sense and his tendency to go chasing the game would often leave huge gaps in midfield...
...reminding you of Pogba yet?
Pogba is a brilliant player. He is strong, he works hard (don't believe me check his ball recovery and duel stats), he passes the ball beautifully, he can hit a shot from distance as good as anyone. Yet his sense for playing in the centre of midfield lacks something, just like Gerrard. If anything the issue is that both want to do too much. They want to join the attack, they want to drive the team forward, they want to chase down (how many times has Pogba shown himself to be a defensive liability running down a blind alley and giving away a penalty).
Ultimately you have to either compensate for that in Pogba, like Benitez did for Gerrard with Xabi and Mascherano, you have to be so dominant that it really doesn't matter what flaws exist in Pogba's game, or you have to decide to move him on.
Taking all the emotion out of it: 'He's not good enough!' 'He's Jogba' 'His agent is a $h!t' Man Utd's issue with Pogba has been, and will always be, systemic. We bought Pogba without a clear idea of what we wanted to use him for besides marketing. We have subsequently tried to shoehorn him into a range of tactical set ups and bought a number of other players that just don't work with him.
Its not an excuse. Its just a clear eyed, unemotional look at where things are.
On the face of it Pogba and Gerrard are like chalk and cheese, Pogba is all silk and smoothness, Gerrard blood and thunder. However, they are both centre midfielders who are not really centre midfielders.
I remember Benitez playing Gerrard on the wing and then putting Xabi Alonso and Mascherano behind him, because he did not trust Gerrard positionally in a midfield two. England managers did the same thing. It was, on the face of it, a weird one. Gerrard's long passing, his goal threat arriving late from midfield, his commitment and work rate should have made him a brilliant box-to-box midfielder . However, Gerrard's positional sense and his tendency to go chasing the game would often leave huge gaps in midfield...
...reminding you of Pogba yet?
Pogba is a brilliant player. He is strong, he works hard (don't believe me check his ball recovery and duel stats), he passes the ball beautifully, he can hit a shot from distance as good as anyone. Yet his sense for playing in the centre of midfield lacks something, just like Gerrard. If anything the issue is that both want to do too much. They want to join the attack, they want to drive the team forward, they want to chase down (how many times has Pogba shown himself to be a defensive liability running down a blind alley and giving away a penalty).
Ultimately you have to either compensate for that in Pogba, like Benitez did for Gerrard with Xabi and Mascherano, you have to be so dominant that it really doesn't matter what flaws exist in Pogba's game, or you have to decide to move him on.
Taking all the emotion out of it: 'He's not good enough!' 'He's Jogba' 'His agent is a $h!t' Man Utd's issue with Pogba has been, and will always be, systemic. We bought Pogba without a clear idea of what we wanted to use him for besides marketing. We have subsequently tried to shoehorn him into a range of tactical set ups and bought a number of other players that just don't work with him.
Its not an excuse. Its just a clear eyed, unemotional look at where things are.
Pogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…
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Jesus Christ, I tried to engage in a civil conversation with you when we both disagree and you had to give it a "My point clearly went over your head"? Honestly, I said nothing incendiary whatsoever.
Anyway, I hope Pogba leaves. A lynchpin in the squad who is not dependable and regularly plays below par has a negative effect on the overall squad. My point clearly went over your head.
I take it that should read 'agent' and not 'manager'?
Pogba be inconsistent is lazy analysis…
Bollox. This just proves stats can be manipulated to make whatever point fits your narrative
fecking Delaney, couldn't help himself with that last paragraph... Twat.
When he’s on it, he produces double the numbers he does when he’s off it, his best games for us are so so so good that his stats are inflated. This also doesn’t factor in his defensive contributions. Basically just use the eye test to see if he’s been inconsistent or not.Pogba be inconsistent is lazy analysis…
I haven’t manipulated them. These are stats that reflect what happened those seasons. Purposely posted his first three seasons. The fourth he was out injured and last year he was consistent too.
Stats
1: a branch of mathematics dealing with the collection, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of masses of numerical data
2: a collection of quantitative data
The problem people seem to have is that this is a team sport. If the team is inconsistent, expecting one player to change it all is pointless.
I wasn't taking aim at you.
No, I like the guy but if you think these stats prove Pogba isn't inconsistent you're sadly mistaken.
I don't think you necessarily have to hate Pogba to disagree with those stats. I don't mind him, but I believe my eyes, and my eyes have seen a very inconsistent performer who has a very high ceiling but rarely reaches it. Three managers have failed to make him perform to such a consistently high level that it is no longer scrutinized after every game.
Personally, I'd rather cut my losses and see if someone else in his place could yield better results than the past few seasons since he signed. I respect the differing opinion though because it's not a clear cut discussion by any means and there's undoubtedly a quality player in there somewhere. It just hasn't worked out for us so far
.I think Raiola and more importantly, COVID has screwed him.
Under normal circumstances, I think Real would have regenerated in 2020 after their 2019 attempt backfired and a 27 year old Pogba would have fit the bill for them alongside Valverde and Casemiro/his replacement (on the basis that Modric and Kroos would be phased out). But fast forward a pandemic during which time Real have undergone an expensive stadium renovation and no fans for the whole season as well as Pogba's chief cheerleader Zidane leaving the club, he doesn't really have an obvious out. Barca are obviously a non-starter as a) they're financially fecked, and b) they don't have a need for a Pogba while Pedri and to a lesser extent De Jong are there. Juve on a free maybe?
Likewise, Raiola promised him a move to Real but he should have realised this wasn't a stepping stone club he was moving Pogba to, it was one of THE destination clubs even if we were in a pretty dodgy state. Only a year before he got Pogba the move, he should have seen how Woody drove Perez to distraction over De Gea. Did he really think he could ride roughshod over us in the way he would do Ajax and Dortmund? He seriously overestimated his abilities.
From everything I'm seeing, I think Pogba will either sign the contract, or leave on a free. It's a shame he'll do so when the club is so close to actually becoming and realising the project that he initially signed up for in 2016, but if that's what he wants to do, then so be it. I'll wish him all the best and move on. We have similarly stellar talent in Mejbri, so I look forward to seeing him grow into this team in any case.
Under normal circumstances, I think Real would have regenerated in 2020 after their 2019 attempt backfired and a 27 year old Pogba would have fit the bill for them alongside Valverde and Casemiro/his replacement (on the basis that Modric and Kroos would be phased out). But fast forward a pandemic during which time Real have undergone an expensive stadium renovation and no fans for the whole season as well as Pogba's chief cheerleader Zidane leaving the club, he doesn't really have an obvious out. Barca are obviously a non-starter as a) they're financially fecked, and b) they don't have a need for a Pogba while Pedri and to a lesser extent De Jong are there. Juve on a free maybe?
Likewise, Raiola promised him a move to Real but he should have realised this wasn't a stepping stone club he was moving Pogba to, it was one of THE destination clubs even if we were in a pretty dodgy state. Only a year before he got Pogba the move, he should have seen how Woody drove Perez to distraction over De Gea. Did he really think he could ride roughshod over us in the way he would do Ajax and Dortmund? He seriously overestimated his abilities.
From everything I'm seeing, I think Pogba will either sign the contract, or leave on a free. It's a shame he'll do so when the club is so close to actually becoming and realising the project that he initially signed up for in 2016, but if that's what he wants to do, then so be it. I'll wish him all the best and move on. We have similarly stellar talent in Mejbri, so I look forward to seeing him grow into this team in any case.
Top post in an entertaining thread. I love how the vibe in here flips from respectful to abusive in seconds; from pure daft to thoughtful and informative. File the above under the latter.
But the stats clearly show he is consistent. Nobody says De Bruyne is inconsistent…why?
Because Man City as a team is consistent.
The point I’m making is because Pogba cost £89m when we as a team don’t perform consistently enough to win trophies, Pogba is scapegoated.
Hope there is a resolution on this soon either way.
Pogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…
Thanks for the reminder on how crucial Pogba was to this team until 2018-19. Unfortunately for him, after arrival of Bruno who has done everything Pogba could and more, his role has gradually diminished in the team. To the point that an argument can be made that replacing Pogba with a bit more limited but well-rounded player can actually improve the team.
Would be fine with 40-50 million. Varane went for a defender and with Pogba being a flair player his fee should naturally be a bit higher. Expecting 60 odd million is not realistic with one year left. If we have someone in mind who has quality and will fit our team, go for it. Of course if Pogba is happy to stay with his wages not increasing, that would be a great outcome. but with all the noises Raiola has been make for a long time, it doesn't exactly reflect commitment.
Oh dear
Rate this, but waiting for the haters and their "but" responses to thisPogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…
For all those moaning that he wasn't back....
Back a few days before he is even due back.
Thanks.
For my own part, as much as I think Pogba is a really good player, I can see the logic in selling him if we can't find a system that works for the whole that also works for him.
The overall quality of the squad would be lower without him but the system as a whole might be more cohesive.
For Ole the big question for this season coming is: Do I risk the 40+ goal contributions of Bruno Fernandes by playing him further away from goal, in a 433, to try and get more out of Pogba. I wouldn't personally take that risk. Its not obvious that allowing Pogba to attack more, while letting Bruno attack less, will compensate for what we will lose from not playing Bruno as a #10.
Ok then do you think he is worth twice what Bruno is? Or Bruno and Rashford combined, or Maguire and Greenwood. He offers more as a brand probably but nowhere near that sort of money. He and his fat rat of an agent are just in it for themselves and have played the game very well(playing us for mugs again), in that we are now offering him way more money than he’s worth so we don’t lose a £89 player for nothing.
Our revenues may have changed massively from when Rio and Roy where looking negotiating but I don’t remember Roy looking for twice the Scholes was getting or Rio twice what Vidic was getting.
It’s prob a bad comparison anyways because although both negotiated hard to get top dollar they were Utd through and though that lead by example both on and off the pitch.
What happens to his agent's fee if he goes on a free? No more Mr ten per cent ?