Pogba employs Raiola. If he didnt agree with what Raiola said he could quite easily shut him up. Raiola has quite a few players on his books, but you dont hear him touting them for a move as much as he has done with Pogba.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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It wasnt
But one thing that is often overlooked here, is that we can in theory offer Pogba higher value because of his immense commercial revenues for the club .
Thats probably not a way to run a football club, but in many cases it is a relevant argument for the club itself.
It was with City.It wasnt
But one thing that is often overlooked here, is that we can in theory offer Pogba higher value because of his immense commercial revenues for the club .
Thats probably not a way to run a football club, but in many cases it is a relevant argument for the club itself.
Pep said it himself.It wasnt
But one thing that is often overlooked here, is that we can in theory offer Pogba higher value because of his immense commercial revenues for the club .
Thats probably not a way to run a football club, but in many cases it is a relevant argument for the club itself.
Oh God.
Is this the united version of the Messi "his commercial revenues pay for his salary we're paying" argument
Sorry, but I'm not seeing this fantastic post that everyone keeps rambling on about. It's well written, but that's where the plaudits end. The guy is blatantly accusing posters that dare question Pogba's commitment to the club of carrying an agenda. I mean, what?
It's an insulting post if anything.
It's well known in the football fraternity how Raiola works. The fact is the clubs have a choice to decide if they are willing to work with Raiola or any of his clients.
Raiola tries to pull the wool over our eyes offering him to City first, now Liverpool. If Real wanted him badly enough they would have him by now.
As regards the Balon dor he will never win it. Sooner have a Roy Keane type on our side anytime.
As regards the Balon dor he will never win it. Sooner have a Roy Keane type on our side anytime.
To your last question a single player doesnt win you a league, a strong squad does. My point clearly went over your headI really don't subscribe to this theory. What from the past few trophyless years has led you to think we're more likely to succeed with him?
I actually think we're far more likely to win something without him, and to give our existing players more clearly defined roles - and ideally balance the side a bit more by bringing in a solid DM. That's football opinions though.
He has the ability, maybe, to win a cup - if you're lucky and he shows up a few games. I definitely don't think he has the consistency in him to win a league. Would you agree there ?
Maybe so, however there are plenty of agents out there managing to represent the best interests of their clients without completely disrespecting the clubs that their clients play for in the process.
A number of posters think it's a wonderful post. If you have a different opinion or a problem and want to counter that it's your prerogative.
In the context of this thread at least I am not as concerned about how Raiola works generally, I care more that Pogba has allowed him to be this uncensored. If he loved the club so much or was as invested in the project as we were led to believe, we wouldn't see Raiola speaking as much.
But it is evident as you put it, that Pogba has given Raiola the remit of getting him the best deal possible. That is not limited to our club either. So I judge our club 100% for bringing Pogba in the first place, and I also judge Pogba as a player wearing a United shirt and allowing his spokesperson to free reign.
Both are valid judgements in my opinion. It's really naïve to suggest Pogba is completely free because of the whole "I didn't say it! Don't look at me!" argument.
Pogba has been accused of feigning injuries, downing tools, being a negative presence in the dressing room, playing well so he could get a transfer, and countless posts over the years insulting him and calling him all kinds of names. Don't also forget his detractors believing every negative rumor about him.
Funny seeing anyone feeling hurt now because of a post calling some fans agenda-driven and easily manipulated by the media.
Raiola hasn’t really said much about Pogba since November. In fact he was moaning about not being allowed to talk about Pogba a few weeks ago when he suggested his hypothetical Hazard Pogba swap. He’s definitely been gagged - whether that’s from our side telling him we won’t negotiate if he doesn’t shut up or Pogba’s side who knows.
It will be from Pogba he doesn’t care about what the club says
Don't let most professionals fool us about their love of the clubs, badge kissing ad chest-thumping. Financial gains matter in most cases and Pogba is no different to the majority.
As a fan of the club, my only consideration is wanting the best players to be playing which gives us the best chance of winning. If that includes Pogba in the squad that's well and good.
Yeah, I'm not one of those, and I dare say the vast majority of posters on this forum aren't either. So, in future, feel free to single out those posters who have proven themselves to be carrying this agenda. You know, rather than generalise an entire fanbase who only want what's best for the club.
I think its likely more posters than you believe
People are accusing Pogba now for not turning up for training. That's the level of hatred that post pointed out. From accusing him of feigning injury to creating bad atmosphere in dressing room ( which they have no clue of ) , questioning his mental state for the haircuts he has and to just flat out deny his performance for us, it does seem like we have gone past the point of "fair criticism".
He hasn't been great for us ( in terms of not fulfilling his potential) , this is something even I agree with. But he has been far from what some has been suggesting in this thread. I remember how Rio was public enemy number one when he refused contract extension. To suggest Pogba is the only player who might look for a better deal is laughable suggestion
He hasn't been great for us ( in terms of not fulfilling his potential) , this is something even I agree with. But he has been far from what some has been suggesting in this thread. I remember how Rio was public enemy number one when he refused contract extension. To suggest Pogba is the only player who might look for a better deal is laughable suggestion
Changing subject but quite relevant to employment and the success of a particular business. Many companies have employees who are disliked but are very good at their jobs and bring success. Does Pogba give us a better team, and more chances of success despite the antics? That is what the coaches and the club owners will be evaluating.
All this happens in every club. I remember Rooney getting roasted, and he is our leading goalscorer of all time. Fans will always pick on someone.
I would rather sell him than lose him on a free, but PSG might not stump up $$$ to meet our valuation.
I could see him staying and playing well and then it's 50-50 if he stays or not.
I could see him staying and playing well and then it's 50-50 if he stays or not.
I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.
He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.
A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.
He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.
A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.
The club will get around the same amount as Varane if there is a buyer out there this summer.
One of these things is not like the other
What world do you live in?
No lots of players have played hard ball to get a better deal. Rio and Keane spring to mind. They looked for too dollar at the time.
But come on he wants more than £350k a week!!!!! He thinks he’s worth twice what we pay Bruno.
When Keane held out for top dollar he was the best midfielder in the league in the most dominant Utd them there has probably ever been.
We don’t even know how to fit Pogba into the team and his agent( who Pogba employs) disrespects the club whenever he gets the chance.
Players should try to get to get the maximum they are worth. Pogba just ain’t worth £400k a week.
Seriously?
Apologies if this comes across as rude but that would suggest a rather immature attitude on your part.
But why? Both parties entered into a contract for a set amount of years. There is no obligation for either party to enter into a new contract.
I'm not anywhere as invested as others on Pogba's future either way but some of these reactions are so over the top.
I don't doubt they exist on this forum and throughout our fanbase, but they are very much the minority.
Why is it okay to boo at the Glazer's but not at Pogba. Maybe I'm overthinking things but this is a 90 million asset we have invested in that we are losing on a free.
Ole had to put up with it himself. Fans of every club do these things, If they feel it is hurting their club in anyway they will let it be known and do not care about who they hurt.
It's life , accept it.
From all accounts it does look like Pogba is very well liked by his team mates. Plus since we are prepared to make him our highest paid player, it does seem like our club staff think very highly of him.
To have all these attacking talent without the creativity of Pogba just feels wrong. I am hoping he signs the contract.
This is the only question that we should be asking ourselves, and if I was answering honestly, I'd have to say no, at least not on what he's shown us over the last 5 years. He's just too inconsistent a player to be relied on.
If I was head of the transfer committee - not just a lowly fan with a sheep fetish - I'd break my back to convince AC Milan to trade him for Kessie.
To get an advantage on the pitch for the team I support I am not against intimidating by booing opposition players. If Pogba played against United of course fans would be in their rights. When you used the term "human being" that's where I had a conflicting opinion to your post.
I find a lot of the criticism of Pogba gets to be weirdly personal to and to be quite frank a lot of it makes me feel uneasy - really do not like the vibe it gives off.
I feel like some expected him to come here and win games on his own, carrying the team to major trophies, yet that very rarely happens in modern football. Even Messi and Ronaldo cant do that in average teams, which we have been for much of his time here.
can't see the point in keeping him given our squad make-up and how Ole likes to set up.
So what? If you haven't noticed our revenue has increased almost 6-8 times more than what we had when Rio and Keane were negotiating contract. Naturally our players who are the biggest asset of our football club, will earn a larger share of that revenue.
Don't want to get into the discussion of what he is worth in terms of salary as this is something our club financial team will decide and if they think he is worth 400k then so be it.
Incredible that it has been 88 pages to admit the simple truths:
1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best
2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free
3. Yes, his fecking agent is embarrassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs
1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best
2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free
3. Yes, his fecking agent is embarrassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs
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Pogba staying probably means Solskjaer will try Bruno-Pogba-Fred/Mctominay again. Listening to Romano`s latest news a new midfielder is unlikely if Pogba stays. This is a horrible decision imo. Bruno and Pogba together in a midfield trio with Fred or Mctominay is way to unbalanced. Knowing how risk averse Solskjaer is he probably will abandoned this after a few games, and stick with Mcfred-Bruno again and put Pogba out left.
Imo just sell him and build a functional midfield. He hasn`t worked in our system for 5 years now. Why will it suddenly work this time ? Esp with Bruno in the team. Pogba is best as a 10 or an 8 with two solid defensive midfielders next to him.
Imo just sell him and build a functional midfield. He hasn`t worked in our system for 5 years now. Why will it suddenly work this time ? Esp with Bruno in the team. Pogba is best as a 10 or an 8 with two solid defensive midfielders next to him.
Think thats the conundrum we're all struggling with, he seems to fit best on the left forward spot rotating with Marcus.
As someone just said, he is not a double pivot player at all without a Ndidi or Rice next to him.
Somehow he seems to need periods of rest during the season , either because of easily injured or to keep his focus up.
The way he can do that is to rotate with Marcus (typically he plays against lesser sides/low blocks while Marcus plays when possesion is more evenly matched so he can use his speed more).
And in that regards I think he could very well help us towards challenging.
But neither the club ,nor him, want him to be a rotating player for those kind of wages he's looking at. Then he should be the absolute starter in that position and he simply wont because of Marcus and what he can bring.