Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
 
Green_Red said:
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here... :lol: :wenger:

Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
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Or maybe it a shite source that's spouting garbage and should be seen as that...
Just maybe.
 
laughtersassassin said:
He certainly hasn't been inconsistent the past two seasons though.

He has been injured for large amounts of time in those.

Of course people irrationality hate on him and make conspiracies based on that as well.
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Well I'm not going to argue about inconsistency, it doesn't seem to concern him as much as for example Bruno.
Many people confuse being inconsistent with having average performance.
 
Roane said:
Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
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It’s the precedent though, if Pogba is on 400k a week why shouldn’t Salah be etc?
 
Random Task said:
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?
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For all the shite he gets from fans, I don't blame him for not coming out and saying something like this.
You can believe he is trying to take us for a ride.
I'll believe he came and tried, it didn't work out and he is leaving, or...he will renew and there was no need for him to say anything as the extension speaks for itself.

Just saw he is on the promotional stuff for the 21/22 kit. Again, seems like he will be staying. Just a case of if he will renew or leave on a free.
 
Also, where is all the gospeled 400k salary a week coming from? The same shite sources that says he is on his way to PSG?
Also, can we confirm that he's current salary is 290k per week and not the 350k I seem to be seeing pop up every now and then on here, unless I stand to be correct, in which case, I need to learn to Google better.
 
I'm just indifferent to the whole thing now...I think he's had an underwhelming 5 years for someone frequently labelled as "world class" but he's still a very good player, exceptional at his best.

If he signs a new deal here, even at an inflated salary (that I don't think he deserves), great... we're a better squad with him here and it's not as if we don't burn money elsewhere in the squad.

If he wants to leave, fine, we've survived losing much better players before and we're starting to look like a team on the up...then hopefully we'd replace him with another good player.

The only concern is the likelihood of frequent disruptive stories throughout the season if he wants to run the contract down...it would be nice to get some clarification, so hopefully we can move on either way.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Why would he burn his bridges like that? And I'm sure it's more then just agent fees holding this up, psg also need to sell first in order to buy. He and the club are being professional, and not acting on emotion like the fans.
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Take a look at Varane's situation at Real Madrid. When a player knows what he wants and makes up his mind then it won't be a saga or circus.
 
Berbasbullet said:
It’s the precedent though, if Pogba is on 400k a week why shouldn’t Salah be etc?
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I get that and am not suggesting it should happen even.

Just curious if it's a lot cheaper/same/ more expensive.

Should have just worked it out but being lazy
 
Paul Pogba pictured in new Manchester United 2021/22 away kit ahead of release - Manchester Evening News

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Just for those people that are saying why is so and so back from holiday and Pogba isn't:
A list of our players at the euros and total mins played:

Rashford 84 mins
Sancho 97 mins
De Gea 0 mins
Lindelof 390 mins
Bruno 206 mins
Pogba 376 mins
Maguire 510 mins
Shaw 575 mins

So although Pogba went out a day after Bruno he ended up playing around 2 games more. He also played more than Sancho and Rashford combined and they reached the final.

Only Lindelof Maguire and Shaw played as many (or more) mins than Pogba and they also aren't back from their holidays. I don't see Lindelof (who played a very similar amount of mins to Pogba) for example getting the same bollocks as to why he isn't back from holiday yet. I assume since they both played the same amount of mins they'll both be back on Monday.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's sold or if he stays, just pointing out the clear agenda against Pogba and how everything he does is micro analysed compared to others in our squad.
 
the_cliff said:
Just for those people that are saying why is so and so back from holiday and Pogba isn't:
A list of our players at the euros and total mins played:

Rashford 84 mins
Sancho 97 mins
De Gea 0 mins
Lindelof 390 mins
Bruno 206 mins
Pogba 376 mins
Maguire 510 mins
Shaw 575 mins

So although Pogba went out a day after Bruno he ended up playing around 2 games more. He also played more than Sancho and Rashford combined and they reached the final.

Only Lindelof Maguire and Shaw played as many (or more) mins than Pogba and they also aren't back from their holidays. I don't see Lindelof (who played a very similar amount of mins to Pogba) for example getting the same bollocks as to why he isn't back from holiday yet. I assume since they both played the same amount of mins they'll both be back on Monday.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's sold or if he stays, just pointing out the clear agenda against Pogba and how everything he does is micro analysed compared to others in our squad.
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It seems to have been confirmed by Luckhurst that he returned yesterday. But yeah.
 
The lad is 29 and whatever he does next will be the last big contract of his career. I have no issue with him wanting to go to Madrid or Juventus but do it this summer and give the club some respect and allow them to recoup a fee for you. He's given Utd what 5 years in the prime of his career. Can't blame him wanting the move.

Guarantee you this now. If pogba isnt in a madrid shirt by the end of next summers transfer window Riaola is getting fired as his agent. Big problem for Riaola as Perez hates him and wants nothing to do with him. I also think both Riaola and Pogba will be in for a suprise when they negotiate a free transfer to madrid next summer and Perez doesnt go all out financially. Basically Pogba you want Madrid more than Madrid want you. Therefore we have you over a barrell.
 
SirAnderson said:
For all the shite he gets from fans, I don't blame him for not coming out and saying something like this.
You can believe he is trying to take us for a ride.
I'll believe he came and tried, it didn't work out and he is leaving, or...he will renew and there was no need for him to say anything as the extension speaks for itself.

Just saw he is on the promotional stuff for the 21/22 kit. Again, seems like he will be staying. Just a case of if he will renew or leave on a free.
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Note the "maybe" part in that post. I wasn't making a statement one way or the other because, as I've said already, we just don't know all the facts. Partly because Pogba is reluctant to speak out on the issue, but mainly because we cannot trust a word Raiola says or the media for the that matter. As fans, we're pretty much in the dark, forced into a conclusion that may or may not be truth.

The truth is, If he signs a new contract then all this will be forgotten in an instant. His reasons for signing won't make any difference either; whether he was holding out for an improved contract, pressuring the club into showing ambition by making big signings or he simply wanted to keep his options open right up to the close of the transfer window. None of it will matter. Just so long as he signs, proving his dedication to the club.

But you have to admit, if he leaves on a free next season, then he would have stabbed the club in the back and be fully deserving of ridicule.
 
pratyush_utd said:
We had few supporters shouting at him at the end of the 2018 season in which he was our best player. That was defended here as well. Most players had their family on the pitch at that time and Pogba was getting verbally assaulted by this heckler. I have never seen this kind of treatment of any United player in 18 years that I have watched United.
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Completely agree. Something stinks about it imo but I think a lot of it comes from ABU fans and the media.
 
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
 
izzydiggler said:
I'm just indifferent to the whole thing now...I think he's had an underwhelming 5 years for someone frequently labelled as "world class" but he's still a very good player, exceptional at his best.

If he signs a new deal here, even at an inflated salary (that I don't think he deserves), great... we're a better squad with him here and it's not as if we don't burn money elsewhere in the squad.

If he wants to leave, fine, we've survived losing much better players before and we're starting to look like a team on the up...then hopefully we'd replace him with another good player.

The only concern is the likelihood of frequent disruptive stories throughout the season if he wants to run the contract down...it would be nice to get some clarification, so hopefully we can move on either way.
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Not sure how I feel about a reasonable take in this thread not influenced by whether people like the person rather than the player..
 
SirAnderson said:
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
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We exercised that additional option which keeps him here till next year.
 
SirAnderson said:
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
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The option belongs to the club. His 5 years were up at the end of June, we're now in the additional year.
 
alexthelion said:
That's what happens when Pogba FC mobilises.
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Bebestation said:
I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.
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:lol:
 
If we do end up in negotiations for a new contract with him, I imagine the largest sticking point will be that fatcake Raiola, moreso than Pogba's actual contract.

In a perfect world, he'd just bin him, but alas, it's not.
 
Random Task said:
Note the "maybe" part in that post. I wasn't making a statement one way or the other because, as I've said already, we just don't know all the facts. Partly because Pogba is reluctant to speak out on the issue, but mainly because we cannot trust a word Raiola says or the media for the that matter. As fans, we're pretty much in the dark, forced into a conclusion that may or may not be truth.

The truth is, If he signs a new contract then all this will be forgotten in an instant. His reasons for signing won't make any difference either; whether he was holding out for an improved contract, pressuring the club into showing ambition by making big signings or he simply wanted to keep his options open right up to the close of the transfer window. None of it will matter. Just so long as he signs, proving his dedication to the club.

But you have to admit, if he leaves on a free next season, then he would have stabbed the club in the back and be fully deserving of ridicule.
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I agree with everything up to the last line really.
The bit about us being in the dark is so important. It's made so many draw lines in the sand and has created a very toxic environment. On that, I would say, yeah Pogba could have come out and put it to bed, but I still don't think we are deserving of it, as we just bite onto any and every tabloid sensational story and run with it as if its gospel.

On the last bit, I find it hard to see a player fulfilling his contractual obligations that the 2 parties agreed on as stabbing us in the back. It will hurt, no doubt, but you of all people know how stupendously badly run our club has been when it comes to contracts, how many players had their contracts ran to the final years in the last couple of years (Herrera an example), and renew deals for players like Jones and Lingard, Mata etc that make no sense. But again, we don't know what is happening behind the season, that make players get to the point where they in their final year and we have to get to this situation with Pogba.

The guy came to us at 23, he is 28 now and have given us what most see as he's best years, the next big contract will probably be his last. Its clear that he wants to win trophies and sadly his performances hasn't matched his ambitions. He has shown glimmers but never consistently as has been pointed out many times, and that's down to many factors, not wholly on him alone, just like the inconsistency of many of our players over the years of this "transition". He came here knowing that success was not guaranteed, and was hoping for the same fairytale we all thought was happening when he and Zlatan and co signed. The price tag on him has justifiably made the scrutiny on his inconsistencies much more painful to accept than say, Fred, who came on a big fee, but has more woefully underperformed for his price tag imo.
 
Roane said:
Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
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To some clubs the precedent could be very expensive. If we offered pogba 400k then Bruno surely has to get the same, etc
 
Crashoutcassius said:
To some clubs the precedent could be very expensive. If we offered pogba 400k then Bruno surely has to get the same, etc
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Yeah someone else said the same above. I was just wondering what the figures would be to be honest rather than it happening.

I mean if VVD with his fee is on 200k then a someone like Pogba with what he cost us as a freebie with 400k a week would be cheaper overall?

I suppose if they were to give a potential freebie a golden handshake and then 200k a week it doesn't affect the pay structure whilst the player technically could have got same amount as being on 400k.

Anyway it was just my musings. I get what you and the poster above are saying.
 
"Can't let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore". Are some of you actually a bit mad? This thread really is the perfect way to find out which posters' opinion are best left ignored. fecking hell.
 
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
 
CG1010 said:
Thanks for the reminder on how crucial Pogba was to this team until 2018-19. Unfortunately for him, after arrival of Bruno who has done everything Pogba could and more, his role has gradually diminished in the team. To the point that an argument can be made that replacing Pogba with a bit more limited but well-rounded player can actually improve the team.
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We still needed Pogba last season when Bruno went off the boil. Thats the whole point of having a strong squad.
 
SirAnderson said:
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
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Do a quick google "Pogba 400k" and there are a ton of websites reporting it so people on here are justified to say it.
 
SirAnderson said:
Can we stop with banding about this thumb sucking 400k per week amount he is supposedly demanding or holding out for? But hey, at least its better than the PSG nonsense that everyone was hung on about for the last week.

Now that we already established (kinda) that the PSG links were all BS, despite it being treated as fact for almost a whole week, mainly because every other person kept posting about it like it was, we are on to the next thing.

If enough people keep saying 400k 400k 400k, then soon enough that too will be the latest "fact" in this Pogba saga, and another stick to beat the guy with, for "demanding so much yet plays like shite and is so toxic" etc.
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Isn't questioning his desire to sign a new contract, and the amount he is holding the club ransom for, something that fans have a right to discuss?

If reports are to be believed we've just signed a world Cup winning, 4 times CL, 3 times league winner for £250 K a week in Varane. Why would the club give Pogba more than that?
 
Preferably you'd want him to stay as he's a special talent and ,even with the issues regarding the team balance and his consistency at times, you'd never be able to replace his ability when he's on it, especially with the fee we're likely to receive.

It does seem though that ,if Pogba were to stay, we're going into the season with McTom and Fred again as our starting CM pair more often that not.

Even if we get in a decent amount for players such as Lingard, James and Dalot ( and a few others) the money coming in would likely go towards the signing of Trippier and I think that would close our window with regards to who's coming in.

But we desperately need that other midfielder. A deep lying playmaker of sorts.
 
Giggsy13 said:
Luckhurst has been right all summer, so this is most likely true. Ultimately he’s going to sign a new contract imo, Raiola negotiates and plays dirty, and the club don’t seem to have an issue dealing with him. It would also be a strange time for him to leave considering the direction we’re taking to becoming title challengers again.
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I think you need to read the full article rather than a snippet in a tweet. He still signs it off with a sentence saying that he wants to leave and that the Utd players closest to him say that it's best if the club sells him as it is best for both.
 
Random Task said:
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?
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You're wasting your time with them. They are bigger Pogba fanboys than they are United.
 
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