There’s some guy called Varane or something who could do a job for us. One of those you mentioned could be good!
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What is the point in carrying on with the plans? Are they just going to play in a league of 3? Absolute disgraceful behaviour by these clubs.
To be fair that isn't a bad idea as long as the clubs aren't set in stone.
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FFS! Won't these lot take the hint.
They are trying to say the other clubs signed a binding contract and, legally, can not break away from the super league. I can see them taking all the clubs they left to court and trying to get some $$$ to save them. Pathetic!
Would love some players to stand up and state their views on this. Wonder if Messi knew before he signed the contact or maybe they don’t care as long as they get their pay check.
Good luck lawyering up vs City, never mind all the American billionaires.
It’s now going to the European Court I believe. Clubs were stupid to go with the idea but even more dim to sign contracts before announcing it.
Can't we just send our u23 team. That will give the proper matches along with the likes Jones.
Ole’s first real test.
Yeah, City can cheat their way and spend another 250m on Grealish and Kane . But clubs with most fans can't create a super league. Nice work UEFA.
Until UEFA come clean and penalize City for their dodgy dealing, they really can't take a morale stand on this.
Until UEFA come clean and penalize City for their dodgy dealing, they really can't take a morale stand on this.
Leeds, Everton, Palace, Spurs will come back
Indeed. City have already proven they can blow UEFA out of the water with their league team. Then Chelsea have an American lawyer as Chairman and a Russian Billionaire who has had a number of legal cases recently so will have a very solid base to work off. Then their is the Americans' who will draw from the States.
Additionally, the ECJ no longer has jurisdiction in the UK. Thus, for the English teams, they would need to probably try them in a UK court.
Good luck with winning that, especially with their debts.
You seem a bit confused, city were part of the SL.
Maybe teams under threat of administration can join the super League for a year to make up the numbers? Take a battering from Real Madrid, Barca and Juventus 12 times over the course of a season for a 300 million payout. Club saved.
I’ve been saying for a while a segregated plastic league with Chelsea, City and PSG should do this. Their CL and FA cup would have an identical format. Would help the rest of football get back to clean competition
You have no idea what I meant. So let's leave it as is.
That makes both of us.
Might be cheaper for all the clubs to pay Madrid, barca, and juventus instead of a long, drawn out legal battle in court. We have to wait and see what their play is here because they are definitely working on an angle.
The the court that came out for them is a Spanish one. I do not trust Spanish courts. Actually it is better for all the clubs to combine and fight them a non Spanish Court in the EU or in the UK. I do not think the Spanish clubs and Juve has that kind of money to fight a long drawn legal battle that they may not win in a non Spanish Court. They might completely collapse. Serves them right.
I assume they’ll now be banned from UEFA competitions, or is this what that ruling stopped from happening?
Why dont you trust Spanish courts?
Zero chance these legal fees for the entire proceedings get even close to what Barca and Real think they’re owed
Spurs west ham would join in a heartbeat
If you want to be a devil's advocate there is some validity to the ESL proposal. Let the clubs decide their own fate rather than some corrupt unaccountable organisations like FIFA or UEFA decide and control.
The current CL and Europa formats have been expanded pure for financial reasons -- no different to what RM, Barca or Juve want, just that they have a different approach. If you were to start this league yourself, you would initially limit the competition (leaving the domestic competitions untouched.) But later as they gain traction, expand or invite more clubs to the ESL.
How is this any different to what UEFA has been doing the past few decades when it used to be Champion of the respective leagues invited only? And now we have that politically astute formation of the Europa Conference League, some 20+ years later. UEFA is just spinning a larger web to appease the smaller nations/clubs (not unlike FIFA throwing millions to the likes of Granada or St Kitts to get their votes.)
The fact that RM, Barca is desperate for another payday is another issue. But there is some validity to the individual clubs wanting to 'take back control' from some centralised superstructures.
The current CL and Europa formats have been expanded pure for financial reasons -- no different to what RM, Barca or Juve want, just that they have a different approach. If you were to start this league yourself, you would initially limit the competition (leaving the domestic competitions untouched.) But later as they gain traction, expand or invite more clubs to the ESL.
How is this any different to what UEFA has been doing the past few decades when it used to be Champion of the respective leagues invited only? And now we have that politically astute formation of the Europa Conference League, some 20+ years later. UEFA is just spinning a larger web to appease the smaller nations/clubs (not unlike FIFA throwing millions to the likes of Granada or St Kitts to get their votes.)
The fact that RM, Barca is desperate for another payday is another issue. But there is some validity to the individual clubs wanting to 'take back control' from some centralised superstructures.
The issue with the ESL was always the permanent membership. If the proposal was like the PL where every participating club gets a vote and historically participating members get some solidarity payments if they don't qualify once in a while, it wouldn't gotten anywhere near the backlash it did.
That would be a tactical issue. Imagine you were to start up an elite league say like the Champion's League when it first started decades ago -- when only and literally only league champions were invited? You would need to build the prestige of any competition by making it exclusive at the start. That would just whet the appetite for tier 2 clubs to enter -- not to say that Spurs or Arsenal were ever Tier 1 European clubs.
The ESP founders all know that to make even more money, they need to expand the competition. But you don't start by having 32 teams at the start, not that they could sign up that many clubs at the initial stage as many would take a 'wait & see' approach -- just like United was the European league pathfinder for British clubs.
UEFA has been expanding the competitions both for political expediency and financial incentives for decades. As a result, players are being overplayed and competitions are no longer very elite esp with this new abomination called the Europa Championship League.
The choice here will be, do we want the European competitions controlled or managed by faceless UEFA officials or the chairman of the clubs.
Instead of choosing specific clubs they should have went with a qualifying criteria like "only league champions" or "top 4 from PL, top 3 from la liga, top 2 from Serie A, etc" then. By naming clubs in invite especially the likes of Arsenal and Tottenham they made a mockery of the competition.
I agree but the whole European competitions have been a shambles for decades. This ESL was just another attempt to take back some semble of control by the clubs or cynically, to extract more money from UEFA --- or better still some accountability and openness with the opaque UEFA organisation that makes/spends billions a year without being answerable to anyone.
Then they should have had the balls to actually create a decent alternative. When the European cup started, nobody claimed it was going to be a closed competition. The closed competition aspect was in the very foundation of the ESL - one of the claimed "selling point" of the league. It was always planned to be an NFL style league where yes, they could invite more teams in the future - but they'd decide it, based on if they brought enough monetary value and fanbase to the league, not based on sporting merit.
So perhaps a challenge to UEFA is still required, and maybe it does come in the form of ESL but it would have to be very differently run and would have to be a direct alternate to UEFA's competition that would allow the best teams in Europe from the last year to compete - not a set number of established big clubs.
I don't disagree.
La Liga president Javier Tebas gave Barcelona a choice: extend Leo Messi's contract and give up on the Super League, or lose Messi and carry on with the Super League. (Source: @marcelobechler)
It's seems like Barcelona and Madrid still won't give up and want this League to start next year at all cost
It's seems like Barcelona and Madrid still won't give up and want this League to start next year at all cost
I think with what city is doing right now, taking the piss on every English football team, UEFA, etc, the super league is inevitable. I voted No in the poll, but I understand the non oil clubs why would they go ahead with it in the future if a better plan was to be presented (a better plan than the idiotic one that was presented few months ago). If the big football clubs cant stop City, PSG and Chelsea cooking the books, they have no other option but to start an own competition where they by themselves regulate the rules and ensure it is followed.
Well United have spent equally to City and more then PSG in the last 10 years.
Premiere League won't allow another Super League fiasco again, unless they want their Stadium burned
Imagine still thinking this is the issue
City have spent £1.3bn in the last 10 years, United have spent £991m
How is a 34% difference spending “equally”?
Do you think spending is only transfers? That would be naive. In the last 14 yeras Man city owners pumped about 2 billion from their own money directly or through masked false deals while united owners cost united in the last 14 years about 1 billion in dividends and debt amortization. The gap between united and Man city is 3 billion pounds in reality. United could not afford to renovate in the infrastructure like city does under the radar. United couldnt invest in the academy like city. It is not only transfers you know!