I don’t think you have top class creative players. Just good ones. No Hazard, no KDB, no Salah, no D. Silva, no Bergkamp etc. Nor a really great footballing forward like an Henry. As another poster pointed out, one or a few of them might make the leap this season but I’m not sure.
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I don’t think you have top class creative players. Just good ones. No Hazard, no KDB, no Salah, no D. Silva, no Bergkamp etc. Nor a really great footballing forward like an Henry. As another poster pointed out, one or a few of them might make the leap this season but I’m not sure.
Sorry I am just nitpicking, Chelsea's depth is very strong, however I doubt Kepa or Cheek start for another PL side. Kepa because he has some of the worst stats ever (so much so you have people like Tielemans stating it is a game plan to get shots off in the corners against him) and RLC because he has never shown anything and essentially has a career owing to the hype he got as a teenager.
As previously pointed out several have better creative numbers last year than everyone you just named. Perhaps you are seeing only what you want to see? Not the actual numbers behind the players you think need more.
its all good. Just guys talking football. There is a lot of season to see what really happens.
I watch matches rather than looking at numbers.
That is the great thing about numbers, they can let people who want to know more see past their bias.
Or they can be cherry picked and presented without context to ‘prove’ that Filip Kostic is more creative than Jadon Sancho or Iago Aspas is more creative than Lionel Messi (assist stats as an example). If you just looked at stats, you’d believe that Frank Lampard was a better player than Andres Iniesta.
Watching the games works for me.
Special creator, I'm not sure, mount? What's your point?
So would I normally, however if City don't get Kane or a number 9, do you think they could be missing a proper goalscorer in tight games?
If you look at some of the other posts you’ll see what I’m getting at. Just my opinion as I say.
Obviously they’ll be better with Kane but they have so many talented players going forward (much more so than Chelsea IMO) that I don’t think it will matter in the long run. Their problem as always is that they have to challenge strong on both fronts (league and CL).
They also have a huge squad to pick from. When I seen the players on the bench on Sunday, along with some still out injured, and not ready yet after summer traits, I feel that they will be the ones to watch this season.
Chelsea have collective creativity in terms of game style. Our fullbacks are as much creative as our two tens behind striker as our fullbacks are attacking outlets. Normally gave very good numbers in creating chances and scoring goals in decent numbers.
More or less our wing backs operating in attacking third while we attack.So our creativity spread through six players in and around box when we attack.Thats enough for us to score. We don't need single kdb size numbers in creativity department.
Ok. If you say so.
Haven’t Man United won all those competitions before?
Oh yes but not twice like chelsea did. Cup winners cup twice. All the cup atleast more than once only chelsea did till today.
The others mentioned could do because they all did win cup winners cup twice or more but not any other club.
Oh ok.
Teams will start matching Chelsea's formation soon enough and without the easy switch and overlap on the weak side the burden on creativity will be on the central players who aren't players know for creativity. I forecast a fair few draws for them. However because of how good they are defensively (one of the best we've ever seen in that sense). They are likely to only need a goal to win matches.
Btw Havertz and Kovacic were really impressive. Flat out ballers those two. Mount was his typical vanilla self and Jorginho was far from impressive.
Btw Havertz and Kovacic were really impressive. Flat out ballers those two. Mount was his typical vanilla self and Jorginho was far from impressive.
It baffled me to see that Arteta didn't have a more ambitious plan against this formation.
I would have loved for him to be a lot more agressive in pressing by copying what Spain did against Italy, basically man-marking Jorginho with a CM (Sambi) instead of a CAM(Smith-Rowe), and pushing a 3v3 at the back (Azpi, Christensen, Rudiger VS Saka, Smith-Rowe, Pepe). High risk because it gives a ton of 1v1 or 2v1 after the press, but I much prefer that approach to letting Chelsea build from the back.
Apparently Zouma to West Ham for 30 million is almost done. Kinda sad to see him go, I'm a big fan.
Fair points all, apart from the ‘one of the best we’ve ever seen defensively’ part. They’re very good defensively under Tuchel but that’s a bit strong
Good idea and all until you realise that, that would've left Lukaku on an island with Mari and we also saw what happened there. Chelsea are smart in the sense that they don't overplay. They hook balls up the line the moment they feel the press is well organized.
They conceded 2 goals in the whole knock out stage in their CL run. That's 2 goals in 7 matches. They barely had a shot against them in the final against a great attacking side. This season already teams don't look like scoring against them. Don't know all the goal conceded stats in the Tuchel reign but I'm sure they are as elite as it gets.Fair points all, apart from the ‘one of the best we’ve ever seen defensively’ part. They’re very good defensively under Tuchel but that’s a bit strong
It seems like Arteta did put some kind of plan in place to try and counter what Chelsea were doing.
So they have money for Zouma but not Lingard
Have to say Chelsea really do have a good squad. It's hard to pick a weakness (midfield depth perhaps?)
So they have money for Zouma but not Lingard
Have to say Chelsea really do have a good squad. It's hard to pick a weakness (midfield depth perhaps?)
Yes, really only three in Jorginho, Kovacic, and Kante that Tuchel trusts for the two man pivot. We have some that can cover, but that is just a band-aid if we had injuries to our midfield.
Problem is when you have three untouchable midfielders (plus a young one not one far behind) it's going to be hard to convince any player of note to join.
Ironically the Leicester version of Drinkwater would have been perfect for that 'know your place' 4th spot.
I mean the likelihood of two out of the three to be injured for a significant period is, I think, kind of slim. Chalobah, James and Christensen all have experience in that position, so I'm comfortable with those 3 being the emergency cover for a game or two, if it comes to that.
What you haven’t accounted for is Werner. He was probably the most dangerous striker last year in terms of pulling a defense apart and a major reason we created so many clear cut chances. Even the goal in the CL final was in part down to him taking defenders away. Make no mistake, he won’t be a bit part player and I believe Tuchel will also have him in a 2 with Lukaku at some point during the season.
Teams copying us will always happen. We made 4-3-3 popular in Mourinhos first spell. We made 3-4-3 popular with Conte and yes now people will probably copy 3-4-2-1. That’s not really a concern because modern football is not static positions anymore as I have to keep reiterating. Ole playing 4-3-3 instead of 4-2-3-1 isn’t really a change at all because those midfielders arent Stuck in one place for 90 minutes.
We can improve our squad naturally but there’s excited because Mendy and our back 5 are pretty solid. The base is there for our creative players to have assurances that they can play instinctively and not have to worry about a Mari at the back.
I think if we’re gonna start talking about one of the best we’ve ever seen then we need a larger sample size, that’s all. Like this entire season, for example. I pretty much agree with the other stuff you said.
They don't mess about in the transfer window, do they? Marina makes Woodward look like a clown.
His only noteworthy moment in a Chelsea shirt was this cross come shot screamer against Carrier Bag.
We really benefit from the wages we have most people on. Zouma was a starting CB on 60K or 80K pounds a week. With those wages players are easier to move. I think he wants 125k now.
Dont know how to tell you but Werner is pretty much done at Chelsea provided Lukaku's form holds. He lost his job missing the target. All that movement etc is nice and cute but not doing your core responsibility is going to end the way it has. Lukaku is also a threat behind the defence. I don't envisage Werner and Lukaku playing together that doesn't make sense.
Other formations don't cancel each other out but the ones with back 5's do. The biggest advantage of the Chelsea system is the overlap on the weak side which teams that play 4 at the back struggle to deal with reason being attackers can't be trust to track back. Exhibit A: Saka this past weekend. Football is more regid tactically these days.
Nah, your attackers outside of Lukaku, Havertz, Ziyech don't have it like that imo. Don't think being solid in defence is going to help the likes of Mount be more creative.
Werner is not effective against low block teams, Lukaku can bully that formation. Werner is effective against teams that play a high line. He is not finished yet, but he better show improvement over last year. I think we will see both on the field against Liverpool. If we don't, that is not good for Werner.
Hahahaha we have absolutely no chance now. Last 10 games with the bald cnut we have 2 wins, 2 draws and 6 losses. Surely there should be a rule that if you feck over a team badly (in a fecking cup final no less) you shouldn't be able to ref them again.
I dont know how they always sell their deadwood. Zappacosta about to leave for 8 million to atalanta. Once again they have made a profit on transfers.
In 19 Liverpool games at home with Anthony Taylor as the ref, Liverpool has won 14.
Defiently, especially when said runs are giving Havertz the freedom of Portugal to win us the second biggest competition in football.
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