F1 2021 Season

[Lightbringer]

It's actually impressive how much effort you've put into this post just to defend the honour of your beloved Max, filled with enough hyperbole to power a warp engine, and it's also very selective with regards to what constitutes luck in order to exaggerate, but I'm not gonna argue that stuff because you've spectacularly missed the point - as you've said yourself, the most recent gains due to luck were Max's, and the original post was that Lewis needs that luck to change - nothing to do with previous luck in the season, just that Max had some good luck recently.

As for your comment about Mercedes having better race pace, it's just silly, the Mercs have been behind most of the year, and have only recently managed to get ahead (and it remains to be seen if that was due to the tracks).

Not much right in your post:

1. I am Ferrari fan, not a Verstappen fan

2. I was not selective about what was luck, I could have excluded everything stemming from Lewis taking Max out at Silverstone but I did not.

3. Oh, the Mercs have been behind all year, and yet have a clear lead in the WCC.

The Mercs have been behind all year, but still 99% of all practices and Q sessions have ended:

Hamilton, Verstappen, Bottas in top 3. (in various order)

And then Perez somewhere between place 4 to 10.

So either both Lewis and Bottas have pulled of miracles each practice session or the Merc have not been behind as being claimed by only Lewis fans and the british media. Its much more likely its Verstappen that has made the difference and taken the Red Bull to where it does not belong. See Perez.

Only on a british forum full of Hamilton fans making things up to prop up their beloved Lewis is it possible to get to the conclusion that Red Bull definitely have had the better car, absolutely ridiculous.

The only reason I got involved in this is because I see so much horsecrap posted about the Merc being such underdogs and Red Bull having a car advantage, which is clearly not true.

I do not see that on any north american or scandinavian F1 forums I visit, only on british ones, what a coincidence.

 

[The Hilton]

Not much right in your post:

1. I am Ferrari fan, not a Verstappen fan

2. I was not selective about what was luck, I could have excluded everything stemming from Lewis taking Max out at Silverstone but I did not.

3. Oh, the Mercs have been behind all year, and yet have a clear lead in the WCC.

The Mercs have been behind all year, but still 99% of all practices and Q sessions have ended:

Hamilton, Verstappen, Bottas in top 3. (in various order)

And then Perez somewhere between place 4 to 10.

So either both Lewis and Bottas have pulled of miracles each practice session or the Merc have not been behind all year.

Its much more likely its Verstappen that has made the difference and taken the Red Bull to where it does not belong. See Perez.

Only on a british forum full of Hamilton fans making things up to prop up their beloved Lewis is it possible to get to the conclusion that Red Bull definitely have had the better car, absolutely ridiculous.

Yawn, another essay, all because you can't understand what "recent luck" means. Anyway given that you act like practice is more important than actual race pace to pretend the RB is slower than it is there's not much point in going into your post, the Merc could have a top speed of 10mph and you'd pretend it's the faster car.

 

[Lightbringer]

The Merc has been faster in the last 2 races, one of which is known to suit the car better, and now we're heading to tracks that suit the RB. If Merc are still faster there, then you may have a point.

However, the idea that Merc were faster since Silverstone is demonstrably false, the Red Bull has been faster everywhere until Sochi.

Wrong, its demonstrably correct. Infordin is on point.

Hungary. Mercs were quicker and Lewis were set to win even if Bottas has not taken the Red Bulls out.

Belgium. Mercs were quicker in practice before the rain came, and then Lewis messed up qualifying and there was no race.

Netherlands. Very even, Max had Lewis in his gearbox all race long and managed to win by the smallest margin. Lewis would have won easily if he had free air.

Italy, Mercs were clearly dominant over Red Bull, Hamilton was expected to pull away from Max after the pitstops, even Lewis own fans admitted that as they were enraged by the fact that Verstappen "stole a win from Lewis".

So basicly 3 races Mercs were quicker, and 1 were even with Merc clearly having more pace in hand but Verstappen managed to block Lewis from overtaking,and you are claiming Red Bull was quicker at all 4, completely absurd.

 

[The Hilton]

Wrong, its demonstrably correct. Infordin is on point.

Hungary. Mercs were quicker and Lewis were set to win even if Bottas has not taken the Red Bulls out.

Belgium. Mercs were quicker before the rain came, and then Lewis messed up qualifying.

Netherlands. Very even, Max had Lewis in his gearbox all race long and managed to win by the smallest margin. Lewis would have won easily if he had free air.

Italy, Mercs were clearly dominant over Red Bull, Hamilton was expected to pull away from Max after the pitstops, even Lewis own fans admitted that as they were enraged by the fact that Verstappen "stole a win from Lewis".

So basicly 3 races Mercs were quicker, and 1 were even and you are claiming Red Bull was quicker at all 4, completely absurd.

Oh my god you're a religious zealot. It's not enough to write essays pumped full of hyperbole when replying in our conversation, you have to interject into my conversations with other people as well. You're far too emotionally attached to the idea that the Merc has been faster, when it's been the second best car on track most of the year.

 

[Lightbringer]

Oh my god you're a religious zealot. It's not enough to write essays pumped full of hyperbole when replying in our conversation, you have to interject into my conversations with other people as well. You're far too emotionally attached to the idea that the Merc has been faster, when it's been the second best car on track most of the year.

You are too emotionally attached to your beloved Lews to actually comprehend obvious facts clearly, but go ahead and live in an alternative pro-Lewis universe.

 

[The Hilton]

You are too emotionally attached to your beloved Lews to actually comprehend obvious facts clearly, which is clear for anyone to see.

Such a child.

Leave me alone now please, annoy someone else with your anti Hamilton raging.

 

[Lightbringer]

Such a child.

Leave me alone now please, annoy someone else with your anti Hamilton raging.

Its hilarious, you were the one starting with the "beloved one" and then you could not take it when you got it back. So you just labeled yourself a child, funny how it goes.

 

[The Hilton]

Its hilarious, you were the one starting with the "beloved one" and then you could not take it when you got it back. So you just labeled yourself a child, funny how it goes.

Flawless logic! I did get your motivation wrong though, I thought you were a pro Verstappen nutcase, when you're actually an anti Hamilton nutcase. Either way, you're living in a fantasy world ignoring how much faster the Red Bull has been most of the season.

 

[Lightbringer]

Flawless logic! I did get your motivation wrong though, I thought you were a pro Verstappen nutcase, when you're actually an anti Hamilton nutcase. Either way, you're living in a fantasy world ignoring how much faster the Red Bull has been most of the season.

Definitely, you were the one starting with personal insults instead of debating the topic, and then when I answered with the same BS, you got upset and called me a child, that was really childish of you.

Yeah, its amazing how Merc has that solid lead in the WCC when they allegedly have been less fast for most the year, really mindblowing the miracles The Benz have performed!

 

[The Hilton]

Definitely, you were the one starting with personal insults instead of debating the topic, and then when I answered with the same BS, you got upset and called me a child, that was really childish of you.

Yeah, its amazing how Merc has that solid lead in the WCC when they allegedly have been less fast for most the year, really mindblowing the miracles The Benz have performed!

Hi I'm Lightbringer and I have a pathological need to continuously bash Lewis Hamilton to people who didn't ask for my opinion.

 

[Infordin]

The Mercs have been behind all year, but still 99% of all practices and Q sessions have ended:

Hamilton, Verstappen, Bottas in top 3. (in various order)

And then Perez somewhere between place 4 to 10.

This is why I also believe that Mercedes is quicker than Red Bull. Bottas is constantly faster than Perez and by a good margin too.

 

[Raoul]

Definitely, you were the one starting with personal insults instead of debating the topic, and then when I answered with the same BS, you got upset and called me a child, that was really childish of you.

Yeah, its amazing how Merc has that solid lead in the WCC when they allegedly have been less fast for most the year, really mindblowing the miracles The Benz have performed!

Hi I'm Lightbringer and I have a pathological need to continuously bash Lewis Hamilton to people who didn't ask for my opinion.

Could the two of you please take it to PM to avoid derailing the thread.

 

[RoadTrip]

Could the two of you please take it to PM to avoid derailing the thread.

All the progress of the last few weeks lost. Funny how it all went south though only once a couple posters who hadn’t posted in that time have come back. Anyway, ill be staying away again until some sense returns.

 

[The Hilton]

Could the two of you please take it to PM to avoid derailing the thread.

All the progress of the last few weeks lost. Funny how it all went south though only once a couple posters who hadn’t posted in that time have come back. Anyway, ill be staying away again until some sense returns.

I've added the other poster to the ignore list, but you really can't put us in the same boat given that half my posts in the conversation were asking to be left alone.

 

[Wicked_Badger]

Both Max & Hamilton have driven superbly this year, as evidenced by their huge points & performance margins to their teammates.

Both Mercedes & Red Bull have built brilliant machinery, pretty much maxing out the potential of the current regs at the end of their era and are neck & neck in terms of performance.

Enjoy the title run in. It’s not normally this close and fought between such worthy adversaries (both teams & drivers). People have their driver preferences and one will ultimately lose out at the end of the year, but guess what? We get to do it all again next year!

 

[RoadTrip]

Both Max & Hamilton have driven superbly this year, as evidenced by their huge points & performance margins to their teammates.

Both Mercedes & Red Bull have built brilliant machinery, pretty much maxing out the potential of the current regs at the end of their era and are neck & neck in terms of performance.

Enjoy the title run in. It’s not normally this close and fought between such worthy adversaries (both teams & drivers). People have their driver preferences and one will ultimately lose out at the end of the year, but guess what? We get to do it all again next year!

… when, in classic F1 style, the rule changes will probably mean there is one dominant team again

 

[The Hilton]

… when, in classic F1 style, the rule changes will probably mean there is one dominant team again

That would be awful, but given how restrictive the rules are and the noises coming out of the manufacturers, I'm pretty hopeful that it's going to really level the playing field.

If they do work, it'll be brilliant having every driver with a shot at winning.

 

[Wicked_Badger]

… when, in classic F1 style, the rule changes will probably mean there is one dominant team again

100%. I look forward to Lance Stroll winning the next 5 titles at a canter

 

[Infordin]

Formula 1 fan survey

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/survey/2021/2021-f1-global-fan-survey-motorsportnetwork.pdf

 

[Rooney1987]

Lewis being most popular in 45 + and most in Brazil is news to me.

Monaco being in the GPs remain critical to all fans is rather sad.

Just 6.7% agreed that the “introduction of sprint race has improved the show". Surprised it's that high but they apparently want more next year.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Bottas with another new internal combustion unit for Austin.
That's three Mercedes-powered cars with grid drops this weekend now. Aston Martin's Sebastian Vettel and Williams' George Russell are having multiple parts changed on their power units so they'll be starting down at the back on Sunday.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

United States GP Practice One Timesheet

Driver	Team	Time
1) Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes	1:34.874
2) Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	+0.045
3) Max Verstappen	Red Bull	+0.932
4) Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	+1.460
5) Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	+1.634
6) Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	+1.737
7) Sergio Perez	Red Bull	+1.924
8) Lando Norris	McLaren	+1.981
9) Antonio Giovinazzi	Alfa Romeo	+2.000
10) Kimi Raikkonen	Alfa Romeo	+2.002
11) George Russell	Williams	+2.092
12) Esteban Ocon	Alpine	+2.096
13) Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	+2.098
14) Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	+2.108
15) Fernando Alonso	Alpine	+2.194
16) Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	+2.584
17) Nicholas Latifi	Williams	+2.589
18) Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	+3.080
19) Mick Schumacher	Haas	+3.992
20) Nikita Mazepin	Haas	+7.365

 

[RoadTrip]

Big time difference … any particular reason?

 

[F-Red]

Big time difference … any particular reason?

Yes, Mercedes are very quick.

 

[Leg-End]

Mercedes appear to have figured out the rear suspension trick.

 

[ZIDANE]

Mercedes pretty much confirming the recent thoughts that they have a much faster car, this is surely their championship now without mistakes. Those accidents with Max really mattered in the end unless Red Bull can pull some development out of thin air.

Interesting how Bottas has had to change his engine more than Hamilton.

 

[Balljy]

Mercedes pretty much confirming the recent thoughts that they have a much faster car, this is surely their championship now without mistakes. Those accidents with Max really mattered in the end unless Red Bull can pull some development out of thin air.

Interesting how Bottas has had to change his engine more than Hamilton.

Teammates could be really important in the title race. Nicking a spot off Verstappen in a race or two could hand Hamilton the title so I suspect it's to let Bottas run at higher engine settings in the last few races.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Mercedes appear to have figured out the rear suspension trick.

WOW that is a cleaver trick.
I bet Horner is fuming, but if they have found a way to over come the rule change , good luck to them.

 

[Rooney1987]

Well second practice sure was interesting.

 

[dinostar77]

WOW that is a cleaver trick.
I bet Horner is fuming, but if they have found a way to over come the rule change , good luck to them.

Craig Scarborough has a good explanation for this on his Twitter feed. Jenson Button mentioned during FP2 that this tech is nothing new as his BAR car had this ability.

Horner said in FP2 he doesnt have an issue with it as it's within the rules and all teams have done this for years.

The effect wont be so useful at Texas as it was at turkey due to the types of corners at texas and the need to be careful that you dont inadvertently stall the airflow to the floor.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

United States GP Practice Two Timesheet

Driver	Team	Time
1) Sergio Perez	Red Bull	1:34.945
2) Lando Norris	McLaren	+0.257
3) Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	+0.364
4) Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes	+0.414
5) Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	+0.511
6) Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	+0.615
7) Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	+0.626
8) Max Verstappen	Red Bull	+0.878
9) Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	+0.973
10) Antonio Giovinazzi	Alfa Romeo	+1.192
11) Esteban Ocon	Alpine	+1.212
12) Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	+1.296
13) Fernando Alonso	Alpine	+1.430
14) Kimi Raikkonen	Alfa Romeo	+1.612
15) Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	+1.772
16) Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	+2.037
17) Mick Schumacher	Haas	+2.095
18) Nicholas Latifi	Williams	+2.308
19) George Russell	Williams	+2.544
20) Nikita Mazepin	Haas	+3.080

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Craig Scarborough has a good explanation for this on his Twitter feed. Jenson Button mentioned during FP2 that this tech is nothing new as his BAR car had this ability.

Horner said in FP2 he doesnt have an issue with it as it's within the rules and all teams have done this for years.

The effect wont be so useful at Texas as it was at turkey due to the types of corners at texas and the need to be careful that you dont inadvertently stall the airflow to the floor.

Cheers, I have to admit never noticing it before.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Cheers, I have to admit never noticing it before.

It's not really something you can see by eye with them moving so fast. The difference is only probably a few centi metres also - but makes a big difference in drag.

 

[sun_tzu]

Looking forward to the race this weekend a victory for Lewis will really set up the last few races

I just hope that whoever wins the title its not determined by the decision to give half points at Spa.

 

[redshaw]

Channel 4 highlights are really messed up this time. They won't show quali highlights until Sunday morning at 8:30 and race highlights start early hours Monday morning.

I assume the US race is starting later than usual and maybe this elapsed set time C4 have to show anything is causing an issue.

Going to be tricky not getting spoilers

 

[Motorman]

What's the times for this?

When does qualify begin, I've seen 10pm but surely that's not right?

When does race start, is that 8pm?

 

[RoadTrip]

Channel 4 highlights are really messed up this time. They won't show quali highlights until Sunday morning at 8:30 and race highlights start early hours Monday morning.

I assume the US race is starting later than usual and maybe this elapsed set time C4 have to show anything is causing an issue.

Going to be tricky not getting spoilers

Yup. Quali is 10pm UK time. Rave starting 8pm I believe.

 

[dinostar77]

Qually will be tough to call. The deg is so high on this circuit and track temp is playing a massive part. Looks like whoever can get the tyres in the optimum operating window for their hot lap will get pole or front of grid. Too close to call.

 

[sun_tzu]

Qually will be tough to call. The deg is so high on this circuit and track temp is playing a massive part. Looks like whoever can get the tyres in the optimum operating window for their hot lap will get pole or front of grid. Too close to call.

2 stop race?

Could be really interesting if we see a mix of 1 and 2 stop strategies

 

[dinostar77]

2 stop race?

Could be really interesting if we see a mix of 1 and 2 stop strategies

I think it will be a two stop depending on starting tyre. Go too quickly on the softs and the compound will split straight away. I think RB and Mercs will try to start with the MED and switch to HARD and do a one stop. Those starting on SOFTS will have to do a two stop.