F1 2021 Season

And in classic F1 style that next year shake up will probably put one team miles ahead again :lol:
Will be interesting for sure
Red bull and merc have probably kept more resource on this year's cars than others

That said Adrian newey is probably high on the people you would want designing the new aero package ... and low rake will for sure be the way to go next year which is theory might be more natural and translatable for merc

And of course somebody could do a brawn and come up with something like the double diffusers

I think with the new ground effect tunnels your gonna see some clever stuff and I think the cars won't be that much slower to start with.

 
:lol:

Ill stop derailing this thread now. Just did it in the spirit of Max “derailing” Hamilton’s car :lol:

This thread is just 271 pages of nonstop derailing anyway, so very on brand I'd say :D
 
Interesting that every single ex driver on sky including Di Restaurant was convinced that Verstappen was at fault there and should have had a penalty
 
Apparently Hamiltons new engine has been designed to run for less mileage but with much more performance, which explains his crazy speed.

Not sure if it's true but it would make sense, since some of his overtakes this weekend have been ridiculous, it looked like he was overtaking cars from F2 or another lower series, such was the speed difference.

Max should still win the title, but his refusal to give up a corner is going to cost him one day, for now FIA have allowed him to get away with it, but he is going to try it and a driver won't back out and he will suffer more crashes like he had at Silverstone.

Bottas is such a weird driver, looked decent in the sprint race but once again bottled the start and made it easy for Max to overtake him like he has done many times this season.
 
Just caught up with the race. Was a cracker. Would love to see the onboard when max forced lewis and himself off track.

Brand new track next, Qatar. So who knows what to expect.
 
Watched the highlights back. Max was driving pretty wildly in the couple of laps before the overtake.
 
Apparently Hamiltons new engine has been designed to run for less mileage but with much more performance, which explains his crazy speed.

Not sure if it's true but it would make sense, since some of his overtakes this weekend have been ridiculous, it looked like he was overtaking cars from F2 or another lower series, such was the speed difference.

Max should still win the title, but his refusal to give up a corner is going to cost him one day, for now FIA have allowed him to get away with it, but he is going to try it and a driver won't back out and he will suffer more crashes like he had at Silverstone.

Bottas is such a weird driver, looked decent in the sprint race but once again bottled the start and made it easy for Max to overtake him like he has done many times this season.
Lewis needs to win the next race, track has 1KM straight so hoping he can make use of his new found engine power. Bottas really needs to sort his shit out as well, if he can challenge Perez or even Max it wii take some of the pressure off Lewis.
 
What a great race that was.

I noticed Max and Horner couldn't bring themselves to compliment Lewis even after coming back from 20th and 10th to win the race. Lewis has complimented Max many times.

Maybe in other interviews they have but not in the main ones,
 
Cracking result for Hamilton in what was looking like a damage limitation mission at the start of the race. Amazing drive from him, and it really keeps the championship alive which is great for us viewers.

Max really should have had a penalty, you can't put your own car off the track to push someone else even wider. But then it isn't exactly unexpected from him either. With Mercedes really putting the pressure back onto RB I wouldn't be surprised to see even more reckless behavior from him, as it feels like both RB and Max feel entitled to the championship.
 
Absolutely brilliant drive from Hamilton. The whole weekend he has been superb. His top level is just untouchable. Red Bull, Verstappen, and Horner continue to show their true colours. Completely classless, and impossible to like. Verstappen is borderline reckless and his lack of a penalty is beyond baffling. The FIA continue to green light his behaviour, which we all have to hope isn’t going to end in serious injury one day. What a grotty little shop Red Bull run.
 
I just read that the 0.2mm breach on the rear wing was right in the corner on one side of the wing. If that’s true, I still understand that by the rules there should be a penalty. But it does make me question whether there should be some margin of error for checks post session. I am not an engineer but I would presume it’s plausible for damage to cause that kind of breach, especially if it’s just isolated to one tiny area of the wing?
 
Sooooo the main question is... Why doesn't Hamilton switch to a new engine every race?
 
Sooooo the main question is... Why doesn't Hamilton switch to a new engine every race?

There's no betting that the last 3 tracks will be as easy as Brazil to overtake on, it's a power hungry track. Qatar will only have one DRS zone and looks to be pretty dull outside of the main straight so it feels track position will be all important (see Bahrain's GP this year). So a 5 place penalty at every track isn't the right approach to do.

Motorsport Italy reported that AMG HPP have mapped an engine to perform to 2500km which covers the rest of the races, and tested this on Bottas during the penalties he took at Sochi, Italy and USA, so I would expect to see similar levels of performance from Hamilton in the next two GPs without the need the drop new ICE's in the car. Wolff confirmed in an interview on Saturday that they're not expecting to take anymore engine penalties. Given that other cars/drivers will be on engines that will be coming towards 5-7 races by Abu Dhabi, the need to put new ICE's probably isn't as important as it was in Brazil this weekend.
 
Sooooo the main question is... Why doesn't Hamilton switch to a new engine every race?

Because Brazil was perfect in terms of track layout. You also don’t want to be starting too many races in the pack, look at what happened to Lando, that would be title over for Lewis.

It sounds like the next one should be good for the Merc too, but I don’t think it’s obvious as everyone thinks that Hamilton goes out and blitzes the last two races. That Red Bull is crazy around any part of the track that isn’t straight.
 
Clutching at straws, but the only thing I would give Horner is that at least he is transparent about it. He won’t ever say “of course I’m a hypocrite” but he won’t hide that he will do whatever it takes for his team even if that’s being a dick or a hypocrite.

Doesn’t make him any less of a twat and I still dislike him very much. But he’s be worse if he tried to act as if he was a saint on top of all his bullshit.
 
There's no betting that the last 3 tracks will be as easy as Brazil to overtake on, it's a power hungry track. Qatar will only have one DRS zone and looks to be pretty dull outside of the main straight so it feels track position will be all important (see Bahrain's GP this year). So a 5 place penalty at every track isn't the right approach to do.

Motorsport Italy reported that AMG HPP have mapped an engine to perform to 2500km which covers the rest of the races, and tested this on Bottas during the penalties he took at Sochi, Italy and USA, so I would expect to see similar levels of performance from Hamilton in the next two GPs without the need the drop new ICE's in the car. Wolff confirmed in an interview on Saturday that they're not expecting to take anymore engine penalties. Given that other cars/drivers will be on engines that will be coming towards 5-7 races by Abu Dhabi, the need to put new ICE's probably isn't as important as it was in Brazil this weekend.
In addition to this, I'm sure the cost of having and implementing a new engine is a serious barrier to why this would never to be feasible.
 
I missed the race but what a drive by Hamilton apparently. Reading the reports, it looks like he turned it on. Of course having the quickest car helps (with the new engine) but still takes skill/balls to drive like that.
 
Horner is insufferable. Such a hypocrite claiming that was just a racing incident and he wouldn't expect anything if the roles were reversed.
Genuinely I can't remember when someone in sport has gotten under my skin so much. In Silverstone Lewis went in a bit hot, Max did nothing to avoid, Max goes off and Horner accuses Hamilton of putting his driver in the hospital. Here Max goes in waaaayyyy too hot, Lewis avoids the conctact and its "hard racing". Its probably the 5th or 6th such incident this season. Its terrible PR for him and RBR and honestly I think in the long term it will hurt Max because, unless Horner is giving him hell behind closed doors, Horner is enabling this behaviour in Max. My dearest hope is that both teams have decent cars next year and either Lewis or Russell put Max away for a few years.
 
Has anyone seen Max's onboard yet?
Still not been released by the FIA. I assume they'll not bother and keep it quiet now.

Literally everybody is in agreement they messed up. It's quite annoying that nobody from Mercedes questioned them more on it.

What's even more annoying is hearing that Jonathan Wheatley coming over the radio CONSTANTLY knowing Micheal Masi is a fraud and he's got him by the balls.

"what happened to let them race Micheal" :lol: I can't believe they went along with that.
 
Genuinely I can't remember when someone in sport has gotten under my skin so much. In Silverstone Lewis went in a bit hot, Max did nothing to avoid, Max goes off and Horner accuses Hamilton of putting his driver in the hospital. Here Max goes in waaaayyyy too hot, Lewis avoids the conctact and its "hard racing". Its probably the 5th or 6th such incident this season. Its terrible PR for him and RBR and honestly I think in the long term it will hurt Max because, unless Horner is giving him hell behind closed doors, Horner is enabling this behaviour in Max. My dearest hope is that both teams have decent cars next year and either Lewis or Russell put Max away for a few years.
Horner and Max are the same (and as a result, I don't think they have any words with Max, they enable him).

It's always a racing incident or "let them race" principle when it's Max. Then they moan if Lewis holds/pushes his line.
Has anyone seen Max's onboard yet?
I can understand stewards saying they couldn't penalise him to a certain extent yesterday without the front facing camera but I don't see why they can't keep chasing that (I think they are) and if appropriate, penalise him for the next GP.

SKY were saying it was frustrating their live feed switched to the rear facing just at the crucial moment. So what? That doesn't mean you switched the cameras off, the film is still there?

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...g-camera-not-available-in-hamilton-move-call/
 
Horner and Max are the same (and as a result, I don't think they have any words with Max, they enable him).

It's always a racing incident or "let them race" principle when it's Max. Then they moan if Lewis holds/pushes his line.

I can understand stewards saying they couldn't penalise him to a certain extent yesterday without the front facing camera but I don't see why they can't keep chasing that (I think they are) and if appropriate, penalise him for the next GP.

SKY were saying it was frustrating their live feed switched to the rear facing just at the crucial moment. So what? That doesn't mean you switched the cameras off, the film is still there?

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...g-camera-not-available-in-hamilton-move-call/
Can they do that?

Normally that kind of incident is taken care of in the race (5 or 10 second penalty).

From what I saw i was surprised he didn't get a punishment.. and Lewis did well to avoid the accident

Not sure what tools are available to the fia but my gut feel is I'd be surprised to see them do anything in the next gp... perhaps retrospectively add 5 seconds to his time in Brazil so he still finished 2nd?
 
What a great race that was.

I noticed Max and Horner couldn't bring themselves to compliment Lewis even after coming back from 20th and 10th to win the race. Lewis has complimented Max many times.

Maybe in other interviews they have but not in the main ones,

Max and RB have pretty much had it all their own way in the last few races.
But this time, I was looking at Max body language on the podium. Talk about a forced smile.
He is a brilliant driver. Don't doubt that. But real champions are still able to deal with adversity. Max still has some way to go to be a respected champion, rather than a spoilt schoolboy.
 
Still not been released by the FIA. I assume they'll not bother and keep it quiet now.

Literally everybody is in agreement they messed up. It's quite annoying that nobody from Mercedes questioned them more on it.

What's even more annoying is hearing that Jonathan Wheatley coming over the radio CONSTANTLY knowing Micheal Masi is a fraud and he's got him by the balls.

"what happened to let them race Micheal" :lol: I can't believe they went along with that.
Link just posted by someone.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...y-for-over-the-limit-verstappen-is-laughable/