Especially because Mercedes state that this was the result of some kind of failure. They have still not be given access to the subject rear wing.
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Especially because Mercedes state that this was the result of some kind of failure. They have still not be given access to the subject rear wing.
This is my problem with him. As great a talent as he is he's being pandered to all the way from people like Horner who deny every error he makes and cry foul against him at every opportunity.
Maybe it's just inexperience but I see a need for him to grow up rapidly if he wants global acclaim for the rest of his career.
I used to think similar about Vettel when he was at the top but he's now one of my favourite drivers he's learned how to balance his ability with not being a dick all the time and he's all the better for it.
The worry is if Max is pedastalled like this for too long he's not going to think about consequences enough down the line and that could get him or someone else hurt.
Bottas ended 3 seconds behind Max I think? I had no idea that stewards didn't have access to all camera angles - that's the bit of this that I find most surprising.
Horner has never made any attempts to hide the fact that he's a hypocrite. He literally said this when he was asked about his reaction had the roles been reversed yesterday. He said he would have had a moan about it, even if he believed Hamilton had done nothing wrong.
Audi buy mclaren
https://www.planetf1.com/news/report-audi-buy-out-mclaren-group/
Wow that's one spectacular f1 entry strategy if true
https://www.planetf1.com/news/report-audi-buy-out-mclaren-group/
Wow that's one spectacular f1 entry strategy if true
The rear wing was with FIA until today, so Mercedes engineers havent been hands on with it. Was it the side that max touched that was 0.2 off or the other side?
I find it very strange that the onboard footage still hasnt been released of max and lewis going off track. Hopefully it will come out before the next race otherwise it will just fuel conspiracy theories where there are none.
Interesting as McLaren refused their approach a few weeks ago. McLaren-Audi works would be an interesting team.
Yes... I guess in some ways there is (tenious) history as when mclaren were destroying everybody with a T.A.G. engine it was actually a porshe (now part of vw group with audi)
I wonder how keen merc are to fulfill their engine contract to audi... im guessing they are stuck with it?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/m...es-again-from-2021-announced-4988153/4988153/
Till at least 2024 but probably until the new engine regs?
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Volkswagen group will want Audi to run it's own engines, not sure when that would happen. Buyout had to happen before next season as there is a stupid clause from 2022-2026 where any new entrant to f1 has to pay each team £20mil to enter f1. Bizarre.
Will be interesting to see Daimler response to this in regards to the engines. Dont want to give audi any help whatsoever I guess getting up to speed.
Horner must be gutted, RB wanted Porsche or Audi to buy the honda engine factory from them. Not gonna happen now. Also Audi in F1 makes alot more sense than Porsche. Who as a brand dont synegise with F1.
think they are stuck having to supply till the new engine rules come in in 2025 (provided Mclaren is kept as a going concern which im sure it will be) at which point VW will have their own under either audi or porsche (probably audi as you say)
but yeah not ideal for merc
Is that right? So they're pulling up the drawbridge to new teams effectively.
Calling that a "robust defense" is pretty laughable by itself.
If anyone had any doubts what liberty media would bring to F1 we found out this season. Wrestling (and not the sport type).
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https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...g-camera-not-available-in-hamilton-move-call/
What a circus this has become. Fly around 10 one billion dollar franchises to every inhabited continent on earth but the crucial footage... access denied.
I hope everyone connected to that feels ashamed of themselves. This is Trump level of delusional if they believe anyone buys this. Makes Max SPA points look all the more dodgy now.
What a circus this has become. Fly around 10 one billion dollar franchises to every inhabited continent on earth but the crucial footage... access denied.
I hope everyone connected to that feels ashamed of themselves. This is Trump level of delusional if they believe anyone buys this. Makes Max SPA points look all the more dodgy now.
Max is their crown jewel whether you like it or not, they wont punish him like what Schumi did years ago. Yes Lewis is their biggest name right now but i think their put their egg on Max's future and they will milking this season to the fullest.
Granted that Lewis is not like Senna, if Lewis has Senna's personality, he will grind Max like hell on and off the track.
Granted that Lewis is not like Senna, if Lewis has Senna's personality, he will grind Max like hell on and off the track.
They are ruining it if they think they can choose a winner only because other US "sports" tend to.
Interesting - based on that the footage should come out at some point and presumably they will have to make a decision
not sure what the scope of any punishment could be though but I can see things becoming even more heated between red bull and merc as no doubt merc will push for some kind of penalty at the next GP and Red Bull look almost certain to try and complain about the merc wing that they seem convinced is flexing
Audi has bought McLaren. Like, all of it.
Essentially what they are claiming is that they have the same information as everyone else watching on SKY does, which would make their presence at the track useless in itself, but even for the sake of the argument if that were true there's still no way one can see that as anything other than Max attempting to crash out the two of them. He didn't run wide. He wouldn't have been 3 track widths clear of the track from running wide on the dirty part. He tried to maintain his championship advantage.
I believe that is true... though all the footage that is not broadcast is stored on the cameras and this is made available after the GP - I guess they are in the middle of moving from south amarica to the middle east right now but hopefully the footage does not magically get lost in the move.
From what I saw I was surprised he didnt get a 5 second penalty - not sure retrospectively what punishments are available - in some ways its lucky there was such a big run off area there that hamilton could go into because if there had been a gravel trap or worse still barriers it could have been far worse.
Looking forward to seeing the onboard if / when it emerges though
If the footage was stored on the cameras while not prod cast how would the director choose what camera to show or how do the replays of things we didn't see live work?
Yeah I’m not sold on this not having access to it. It seems shady to me. How the hell else do they have onboard cameras for TV purposes. I’m pretty sure every car has one which we frequently see throughout the race so what am I missing? It would be bizarre if you could only see it if they select it live or something. Doesn’t make sense
Coulthard was certain they had it during the commentary too and made a point of saying the stewards have all camera angles available to them at any time to review footage. It seems odd if they have to wait, but have to make penalty decisions from incomplete footage.
Also I’m amazed there is a race this coming weekend. Can understand back to backs when distance is small but this is like the other side of the world? And with time difference it’s actually even less than the normal right because Qatar is several hours ahead.
They not choose it per se but they will let play it out untill Dubai if they can, thats entertaining value will skyrocket for them even it means bending some rules for some drivers. This close battle all season has been entertaing, no way they gonna let it end right now.
I agree the way stewards handle this matter has been abysmal to say the least. I am all for hard driving but the rule is the limit, you should punish those who break them regardless who they are. And the excuse not having access to the footage?
They only broadcast one camera at a time due to bandwidth restrictions (camera footage, team radio, telemetry etc) - at the time of the incident it was transmitting vettels rear camera (probably because hamilton was close behind him) - the rest of the footage is physically stored on the camera and retreived after the race ... that should hopefully be made available soon though i guess right now most officials and teams are traveling so perhaps tomorrow or Wednesday is a realistic timeframe for them to convene and review - then no doubt redbull and merc will want a say - perhaps thursday by then?
Not sure. I was just saying they’re still after the footage and I can’t see any reason why they couldn’t have delayed decision until then… the fact they considered it may mean it’s a dine deal which puts into question their processes and/or how they treat Verstappen (not saying there’s a conspiracy against Hamilton but decisions like this make it easy for social media to say there is).
In an age of instant media, I find it laughable that they couldn’t have got that footage within minutes, made a decision and dealt with it.
Maybe, just maybe would have made Verstappen think twice next time but I doubt it. Horner would have told him to forget the “silly men” because he’s desperate to do anything to hold into what is clearly a very good driver who could win multiple titles… even if it means lying and pandering to him.
I honestly have trouble believing that. Every drone race organizer is miles ahead of F1 if that is true. But for the sake of argument even if it were true how can they then decide it's not worthy of investigation if they haven't seen what they claim to be crtical evidence? (Even that in itself is bizarre because it doesn't matter if Max went wide because of steering or because of throttle).
In that case should they not have waited til end of race and all data was available. Surely they could have got some footage of him turning or not. Or some telemetry to show what happened.
If his weaving had kept Hamilton behind him. Would he still only have got black and white flags as them at doesn’t seem an appropriate punishment either. Not for something that can be incredibly dangerous
they have come out and said they will be reviewing the footage now... so lets see (perhaps it was no investigation at the time but the incident was noted as they knew they dodnt have the onboard and wanted that before doing a full investigation)
i was surprised he didnt get a 5 second penalty at the time... seemed obvious he braked too late and that would force him wide therefore forcing lewis wider and I dont think you needed the onboard to see that but in the grand scheme of things a 5 second penalty probably wouldnt have changed anything anyway so lets see what they do but Im quite looking forwardto this weekend now - its not quite senna prost but its for sure one of the better title fights
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Verstappen is Prost yeah?
think lewis baggsied senna
to the annoyance of somebody on here yesterday
Every car can transmit at once, but only one camera feed per car. At that moment, Maxes' rear facing camera was active. The other car cameras were stored locally in the car.
And were available after the race and post-race inspections.
Masi could have easily said “based on angles we have now, not 100% but we will review after and could give a retrospective penalty if appropriate for the next GP”.
I agree that they seem to continue handling these incidents terribly.
havent they come out today and said they will review the footage?
currently most of them are flying between south america and the middle east i think so unlikley to move forwards till tomorrow at the earliest I would guess?
I think so but I’m not sure they’ll retrospectively do anything as I think they’ll just say “too late, made an on the day decision“. They didn’t even refer it formally as in investigation which would have led to asking for RBs full telemetry info.
And for Masi to say the “let them race” principle kicks in, well it hasn’t in all other races? (Austria?).
Again, I’m 99% sure they’re making honest (but incorrect) decisions but they look stupid and their justification makes conspiracy stories easy.
not sure what they will do
I was expecting a 5 second penalty during the race
if that were applied retrospectively it wouldn't change anything (had it been applied in the race perhaps bottas would have pushed harder etc)*
I am fully expecting merc to lodge a complaint when the footage comes out - Im fully expecting red bull to lodge a complaint about the merc rear wing - after that Im not sure - probably using perez / bottas to try and spoil the quali runs for lewis and max - basically its gonna be a pissing contest for the next 3 races and everybody in red bull / merc is gonna get soaked
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/72217/verstappen-smoking-gun-the-fia-lacked-in-brazil/
*Edit just checked if the 5 second were applied retrospectively botas would be ahead of max (though im sure red bull will argue max would have pushed harder if he had known... so yeah its gonna be a big pissing contest i think)
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Is Qatar a night race?
If so thats probably going to be a bit easier on the tyres as I guess ambient temp is likley to be low 20's this time of year - not too dissimilar to the temps in the sprint race.
If so thats probably going to be a bit easier on the tyres as I guess ambient temp is likley to be low 20's this time of year - not too dissimilar to the temps in the sprint race.