Thanks.
My wife has had it worse, she's been in bed since Sunday, and she's triple jabbed!!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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My wife has had it worse, she's been in bed since Sunday, and she's triple jabbed!!
Hope you all feel better soon.
I hope that you and your family get well soon.
She’s the second person I’ve heard about who’s got covid after being boosted. How long after the booster did she get sick?
A good friend of mine who’s an obstetrician got sick the day after her booster. Which is shitty luck as it’s too soon for the booster to kick in.
On the plus side, I know loads of double vaccinated people who’ve got covid and almost all of them have felt like absolute shit but none of them have ended up in hospital. Which is the main thing.
Get well soon @Champ I'm allowed out of isolation tomorrow and not feeling anywhere near as fatigued as even 2 days ago so hopefully when it starts improving for you all it will be quick.
Are there any tests you can do to check if you've had Covid?
About a couple of months ago, I was sick for about 5-6 days:
About a couple of months ago, I was sick for about 5-6 days:
- Exhaustion
- Diarrhea
- Fever
- Headaches
You can still get it after the booster - it isn't 100% effective but it greatly reduces the chance of it developing into serious illness.
were you vaccinated?
There's actually a quirk in the data that suggests that more people do test positive the day after a booster.
I've seen various suggestions from, "people tend not to notice symptoms" on the day or so prior to booster" because of the expectation/stress associated with getting it. To the more direct one that you feel a bit wobbly the following day due to the vaccine kicking in, and that may compound any nascent symptoms so you do get tested. Dunno' really, but you can see the down blip in the data.
There's actually a quirk in the data that suggests that more people do test positive the day after a booster.
I've seen various suggestions from, "people tend not to notice symptoms" on the day or so prior to booster" because of the expectation/stress associated with getting it. To the more direct one that you feel a bit wobbly the following day due to the vaccine kicking in, and that may compound any nascent symptoms so you do get tested. Dunno' really, but you can see the down blip in the data.
That’s fascinating. N=1 but my friend felt like shit the day following the vaccine and assumed that was the cause. It was only two days later as she felt worse and worse, then lost her smell/taste that she went for a test.
Single J&J. Just had my booster now
Except for diarrhea, those were my exact symptoms, when I had Covid. Lasted 2-3 days. However, what really made it obvious was the total loss of my sense of taste and smell.
I was told I could test positive for several months after I was healthy again, so a regular PCR test might be able to give you an answer.
Get well soon
That is the kicker for me, I can put up with feeling like crap for a few days/week, but hospitalisation is not an option.
The wife had her booster a few weeks back, probably three weeks or so.
I wouldn't know how to test it then. You'll have antibodies regardless.
J&J, AZ, Pfizer etc all produce antibodies to the spike bit of the virus. Infection shows as spike antibodies + antibodies to some other proteins. Some antibody tests can tell you which ones you've got, and even how many of them. I'm not sure how available they are though or what they'd cost if you were getting it done privately.
Looks like it's graphs day today.
Cases rising fast in parts of Europe. More disconcertingly it's almost as if they're rising in sync between some countries.
I don't know if that's a weather effect or if they all changed rules at the same time, but it's a sudden rapid jump - comparable perhaps to what was seen in Ireland? Countries are now looking at changing rules again. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Some of the details are in the thread below. The first set of graphs show daily average based on the past 7 days - he's taking about the most recent date as the one that's above past pandemic levels.
Cases rising fast in parts of Europe. More disconcertingly it's almost as if they're rising in sync between some countries.
I don't know if that's a weather effect or if they all changed rules at the same time, but it's a sudden rapid jump - comparable perhaps to what was seen in Ireland? Countries are now looking at changing rules again. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Some of the details are in the thread below. The first set of graphs show daily average based on the past 7 days - he's taking about the most recent date as the one that's above past pandemic levels.
Having poo poo’d your weather theory yesterday (because Ireland’s having a mild autumn) it’s hard to ignore what the only countries swerving this spike (so far!) Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece have in common.
They drink more wine than beer?
nice to know, thanks! Had no idea there was a way to differentiate properly between the different causes for antibodies in praxi
As someone who completely stopped paying attention to all this depressing shit once everyone was double jabbed, are the deaths/ICU admittance numbers going up along with infection numbers? I'm trying to understand why Ireland is going back into lockdown.
Yes.
A hell of a lot less than they would be in an un-vaccinated population but they are increasing.
The other big problem now is in previous waves we basically shut down all non-covid healthcare services and we’re desperate to avoid having to do that again.
The third and final complication is that previous lockdowns wiped out almost all non-covid infections which eased the pressure on hospitals. But this time round, with society fully open, there’s a load of other illnesses (e.g. influenza) in the mix.
In the UK, case rates have been high for weeks and hospital admissions and deaths have tracked them, but the vaccines have kept them below the levels we had when we had similar numbers of cases before:
We're now expecting to see hospitalisations and deaths start to fall as booster rollout continues, there are hints of that already in the last week or so, but it's still early days for that to really make a difference here.
In Ireland, as Pogue says, ICU cases rose fast. Faster than the health service can handle. Realistically the only things that might reduce that case/hospitalisation link further in the immediate future are going to be boosters for the 6 month vaxxed risk groups and vaccines for the unvaxxed of any age.
@Pogue Mahone @jojojo thanks for the info!
Fecking grim watching this again. I knew Covid wasn't going anywhere soon but thought we were done with lockdowns at least.
Boss is in hospital with covid. Didn't get jabbed. Not really sure why, because he's not been anti anything really. Very considerate with WFH, following the rules etc.
But yeah, get vaccines people!
But yeah, get vaccines people!
Even if he is being careful, kids are going to school, visitors, shopping etc. not hard to catch it this time of year. Anyone unvaxxed now out of choice is playing Russian roulette
Has the UK escaped because of being further ahead with its vaccine programme?
That, and a higher threshold for avoidable deaths, and because more people got infected in the UK so more natural immunity. Not much of an escape really, they just had a different starting position once vaccines were ready. A much worse one than most countries, undoubtedly.
That's it, think it was mainly vaccine anxiety rather than anti-vax combined with that "I'm being careful" mentality. But as it stands with the spread of covid there's only so safe you can be.
If anything, the early start to the UK vaccine programme should have made you more vulnerable to this current surge. Which is largely driven by the vaccine efficacy waning over time.
As @Brwned said, the very large previous waves in the UK have helped with population immunity plus this current wave started earlier in the UK than the rest of Europe. So it’s burning out (hopefully!) now while other European countries are only just getting started.
I read a little bit about side effects and will get my booster next week. I have a question for you guys, especially @Pogue Mahone
Some months ago when Israel reported major side effects (especially myocarditis), I did some digging becaues I was suspicious as this kind of side effect is something I am very eager to avoid if possible for obvious reasons. At the moment, I can't find anything to back it up, but I read that aspiration after pushing the needle into the muscle (to check if you hit a blood vessel) is an important test to reduce the risk for myocarditis. Is this any true? The theory behind it was that because of the pressure properties of our heart, the nanoparticles can enter and remain easily inside the heart, if you hit a vessel while injecting. Also, since more trained and fit people tend to have bigger and more vessels, especially male athletes, there's a higher chance to hit these vessels in the deltoid muslce.
So, does anybody know the current procedure to reduce myocarditis risk? I personally will ask my doctor to do an aspiration test before injecting the vaccine, since it can not do any harm but hurt a little bit more afterwards.
Some months ago when Israel reported major side effects (especially myocarditis), I did some digging becaues I was suspicious as this kind of side effect is something I am very eager to avoid if possible for obvious reasons. At the moment, I can't find anything to back it up, but I read that aspiration after pushing the needle into the muscle (to check if you hit a blood vessel) is an important test to reduce the risk for myocarditis. Is this any true? The theory behind it was that because of the pressure properties of our heart, the nanoparticles can enter and remain easily inside the heart, if you hit a vessel while injecting. Also, since more trained and fit people tend to have bigger and more vessels, especially male athletes, there's a higher chance to hit these vessels in the deltoid muslce.
So, does anybody know the current procedure to reduce myocarditis risk? I personally will ask my doctor to do an aspiration test before injecting the vaccine, since it can not do any harm but hurt a little bit more afterwards.
On a side note, it’s interesting to see that Sweden doesn’t seem to be affected by the wave nearly as badly as Denmark or Norway.
Where did I put that Mourinho gif?
Where did I put that Mourinho gif?
We are slowly but surely going into another full lockdown here in Austria. With only a 65% full immunisation rate, hesitant politicians and many, idiotic vaccination refusers and conspiracy theorists, our explosively rising infection rates were unfortunately to be expected. Meanwhile, intensive care beds are getting short again and triage has to be carried out in some places. We are currently the model country for how not to manage this crisis.
Do you have a good source on this? Genuinely interested, as it seems like the testing and reporting strategies are very different (at least for Denmark and Sweden, I don't know much about what the Noggies are doing).
The last four winners of the Euro Championships.
Aaaand we got another hard lockdown for min 10 days for everyone. Great