Interim manager discussion: Who replaces the interim interim manger (Carrick)?

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Uniquim said:
Yeah, there should be no problem taking the reins domestically. Alan Shearer among other is a precedent for the Premier League allowing that to happen. There was another coach to that was given a grace period to complete his badges. I think normally the limit is 12 weeks.

UEFA tend to be stricter. They've given out touchline bans in the past, including for Dundalks manager who was the one I was thinking of earlier. He was banned from having any function for a few europa league games. (also banned for Molde game)

Anywho, we'll see what happens. Not sure why Blanc would want the interim job unless he think it will become permanent, but he is struggling at his current club.
If it need be, we have other people at the club with a pro license if UEFA decides to be difficult. Think Carrick should have his by now, and that new set-piece coach is the youngest brit to ever acquire a Pro License apparently.
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I think from the constant stream of info that is coming out, it seems like it might not matter if Lopategui or Blanc are genuine options. I'd personally like to see Lopategui come in.
 
No no no no no no no. Obviously get Blanc or Rangnick in as interim and Ten Hag or ZZ next summer.
 
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If they are going to appoint a former player, might aswell give Rooney the job. At least he has some experience managing and since he is the club's record goalscorer that would buy him some time with the fans.
 
GMoore23 said:
We're officially the worst run club on the planet. We just wasted a 2 week international break and now this. Did those clowns really think Ole was going to magically turn this around based on the absolute shit show we've had to endure this season.
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They did.
There are many people on this forum who swore blind that Ole would turn it around.
There are some who even in this thread, are saying the Fletcher would be good as an interim, even though he has no experience of coaching senior level players.
 
sunama said:
Why not?
Fletcher is a newbie and from what I understand, he was part of the coaching setup.
We've known for a while now that the coaching is been dreadful.
So, IF, Fletcher is part of the current coaching setup, he should not be the manager. He, Carrick, Mckenna - all should be kept away from coaching duties.
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Fletcher is not part of the coaching setup while also helping out with coaching. His job is on a similar level to Solskjaer and Murtough. He's in no danger of getting sacked while Phelan, McKenna and Carrick will likely be out of work.
 
Adnan said:
in a hypothetical scenario of course. Lopategui can put in place the zonal/positional structures which would help a coach like ten Hag or Enrique.
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I asked that question because I want to know in what world would he become interim manager until the end of the season when he's currently in a job in a top league. If you're thinking multiple seasons then okay fair enough.
 
sunama said:
They did.
There are many people on this forum who swore blind that Ole would turn it around.
There are some who even in this thread, are saying the Fletcher would be good as an interim, even though he has no experience of coaching senior level players.
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Fletcher as interim, even if only for a couple of games is an absolute joke also. The guy isn't even the most qualified person at the club for the job. Zero experience for the role. He makes bringing in Ole as interim look like bringing in fecking Guardiola.
 
Dante said:
How? By spending the summer spreading nasty rumours about Ten Hag in Amsterdam, or photoshopping anti-PSG tweets from Pochettino?

You can't force top managers to become available. Simply wishing it to be true doesn't mean it will. Employment availability is an ever-changing and unpredictable status.
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How philosophical of you. You must be amazed at other clubs abilities to quickly appoint managers given it is such an impossible task
 
Adnan said:
in a hypothetical scenario of course. Lopategui can put in place the zonal/positional structures which would help a coach like ten Hag or Enrique.
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More important we hire someone who can coach a press. This squad and an organised press can be hell to play against for anyone and we have the players to play a number of systems. Rose, Hasenhuttl, hell bring Jardim back out of semi retirement.

We don’t need to look at this as finding our Klopp or Tuchel, we need to think of it as putting the right tactics in place. Then you bring in the coach when they are available.
 
Adnan said:
I think from the constant stream of info that is coming out, it seems like it might not matter if Lopategui or Blanc are genuine options. I'd personally like to see Lopategui come in.
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It does seem like both of them are genuine options. I guess Lopetegui could work. Would rather have him than Blanc tbh.

Low-key also want Gallardo to be considered. Argentine league ends fairly soon, he's 5 games away from winning the title, despite River losing several key players on a free and being financially hit by covid. He's won 2 Copa Libertadores titles too, and should've had a third, but Flamengo did a United and scored two late goals to steal the win. He's been linked with Barca job recently, and I feel like he'd be up for moving after the season if he finally lands his league title.

Also 3 cup titles, 3 continental super cups, an europa league equivalent, and 2 domestic super cups.

But best option would be interim solution until the summer, and going for Ten Hag imo.
 
GMoore23 said:
We're officially the worst run club on the planet. We just wasted a 2 week international break and now this. Did those clowns really think Ole was going to magically turn this around based on the absolute shit show we've had to endure this season.
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i've resigned myself to Potter or Rodgers based purely on the fact that the board can control them, they are easily sackable and the club has done no behind the scenes work to have a genuine replacement lined up in the case of Ole being sacked.

I doubt woodward et al have even held an informal interview with ten hag and the likes. I genuinely think they were caught so off guard by this that their only move so far has been to essentially beg Zidane and when he rejected it first time think it's only a matter of $$$.

Fletcher is not a "game day face" so he doesn't have the shit sticking to him. He is going to be here longer than 1 week. They have NO candidates lined up and it's full on panic stations
 
Uniquim said:
It does seem like both of them are genuine options. I guess Lopetegui could work. Would rather have him than Blanc tbh.

Low-key also want Gallardo to be considered. Argentine league ends fairly soon, he's 5 games away from winning the title, despite River losing several key players on a free and being financially hit by covid. He's won 2 Copa Libertadores titles too, and should've had a third, but Flamengo did a United and scored two late goals to steal the win. He's been linked with Barca job recently, and I feel like he'd be up for moving after the season if he finally lands his league title.

Also 3 cup titles, 3 continental super cups, an europa league equivalent, and 2 domestic super cups.

But best option would be interim solution until the summer, and going for Ten Hag imo.
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Agreed.
 
Not sure why this is attracting such cynicism, it's normal to have this kind of caretaker from within the club when there isn't a succession plan in place, or sometimes even when there is depending on timings.

Who else is going to do it? It's him or Carrick and to me Fletcher has always come across as pretty switched on...I know who I'd back.

A completely normal situation.
 
Matt851 said:
How philosophical of you. You must be amazed at other clubs abilities to quickly appoint managers given it is such an impossible task
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They're just as much at the mercy of the managerial market as much as United are. If any of those other top clubs were also looking for a proven top coach on 21 November 2021, they'd be running into the same problems we are.

United are unlucky that Ole stumbled at such an inconvenient moment. If there was a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel available right now we'd obviously have got him in straight away. But there isn't. So we can't.

The pool of available talent isn't bottomless. This isn't like a videogame where there's also a perfect solution waiting to be found at any given moment.
 
Abraxas said:
Not sure why this is attracting such cynicism, it's normal to have this kind of caretaker from within the club when there isn't a succession plan in place, or sometimes even when there is depending on timings.

Who else is going to do it? It's him or Carrick and to me Fletcher has always come across as pretty switched on...I know who I'd back.

A completely normal situation.
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A combination of frustration at the fact we've waited until now to sack Ole, making an interim manager necessary, and the need for a new thing to focus anger on, now it's clear Ole has gone.
 
And if he is going to win the next 15 games we have to offer him the permanent job for the next 4 yrs?
 
roseguy64 said:
I asked that question because I want to know in what world would he become interim manager until the end of the season when he's currently in a job in a top league. If you're thinking multiple seasons then okay fair enough.
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I just read the Athletic piece and they're pushing his name as permanent option. I thought it was regarding a interim role and didn't know he was still at Sevilla.
 
DOTA said:
A combination of frustration at the fact we've waited until now to sack Ole, making an interim manager necessary, and the need for a new thing to focus anger on, now it's clear Ole has gone.
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I hope that part of it is people coming to the realisation that they need to be careful what they wish for, because it might just come true.
 
Dante said:
I hope that part of it is people coming to the realisation that they need to be careful what they wish for, because it might just come true.
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Regardless of what happens going forward, Ole had to go so the point of careful what you wish for is moot, he simply had to go. What comes next? We don't know, I'm sure we all want the best for the club and right now Ole going is what's best.
 
therealtboy said:
Regardless of what happens going forward, Ole had to go so the point of careful what you wish for is moot, he simply had to go. What comes next? We don't know, I'm sure we all want the best for the club and right now Ole going is what's best.
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Goodbye frying pan, hello fire.
 
Dante said:
They're just as much at the mercy of the managerial market as much as United are. If any of those other top clubs were also looking for a proven top coach on 21 November 2021, they'd be running into the same problems we are.

United are unlucky that Ole stumbled at such an inconvenient moment. If there was a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel available right now we'd obviously have got him in straight away. But there isn't. So we can't.

The pool of available talent isn't bottomless. This isn't like a videogame where there's also a perfect solution waiting to be found at any given moment.
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No, we're not. We miss out on the top managers because we persist with failing managers for too long and reward them with new contracts for failing. It's nothing to do with being unlucky. United have had every opportunity since SAF retired to appoint Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Pochettino, Ancelotti, etc, but we haven't because of a lack of forward planning.
 
Sack Ole, but hire Fletcher as care taker. It's madness. Then I would rather keep Solskjær until they can find the right replacement. Solskjær has at least experience as a manager for a first team. This is ridiculous.
 
Abraxas said:
Not sure why this is attracting such cynicism, it's normal to have this kind of caretaker from within the club when there isn't a succession plan in place, or sometimes even when there is depending on timings.

Who else is going to do it? It's him or Carrick and to me Fletcher has always come across as pretty switched on...I know who I'd back.

A completely normal situation.
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How could there be no succession plan in place when we've literally been outplayed by almost every single opponent this season.
Fletcher shouldn't be interim. Isn't Bryan Robson still employed by the club and a hell of a lot more qualified than Fletcher.
 
therealtboy said:
Simple question, you saying you would have kept Ole in charge? What exactly would your plan be? Just curious.
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Ole needed to go, and United were left with no option.

But just because the board made the right decision, that doesn't necessarily mean the club are in a better state as a result.

At best, this is the first stage in a 'one step back, two steps forward' process. As fans, we just need to be aware of that reality.
 
GMoore23 said:
How could there be no succession plan in place when we've literally been outplayed by almost every single opponent this season.
Fletcher shouldn't be interim. Isn't Bryan Robson still employed by the club and a hell of a lot more qualified than Fletcher.
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Having a succession plan in terms of preferred candidates can be in place, it doesn't mean click your fingers and the revolving door boots out Ole and in comes the new man. We already know who the club are looking at.

There's all sorts to consider, including where these managers are, when they can join, whether we can get them from other clubs, tying up any formalities, the fact that much of this requires the manager to be sacked first in terms of good practice. All of this is why we routinely see caretaker managers so I don't see the big problem with Fletcher handling some business.

Could it have been timed better? Yes probably, we could have used the break but it's still no guarantee that we wouldn't have a caretaker in place. We may have used that period to scope guys out for all we know. I think we're judging the situation with the next appointment a little too preemptively.
 
Hopefully we have a full replacement in by the weekend. Understandable that we won't be able to get Zidane or whoever the replacement is in by Tuesday (though this should have been done before the international break). Hope the whole coaching staff is sacked frankly. The team as a whole have been incompetent and embarrassing. Get some coaches in on merrit rather than because they have past links to the club.
 
Appoint Fletcher, even as interim, and we're literally getting a downgrade on OGS. It's complete madness.
 
Abraxas said:
Having a succession plan in terms of preferred candidates can be in place, it doesn't mean click your fingers and the revolving door boots out Ole and in comes the new man. We already know who the club are looking at.

There's all sorts to consider, including where these managers are, when they can join, whether we can get them from other clubs, tying up any formalities, the fact that much of this requires the manager to be sacked first in terms of good practice. All of this is why we routinely see caretaker managers so I don't see the big problem with Fletcher handling some business.

Could it have been timed better? Yes probably, we could have used the break but it's still no guarantee that we wouldn't have a caretaker in place. We may have used that period to scope guys out for all we know. I think we're judging the situation with the next appointment a little too preemptively.
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I've seen better planning from people panic selling crypto online
 
Please no. No Fletcher. No Carrick. No McKeanna. No Phelan. Just get them all out. Every last one of them. Hire a new manager with all new staff. It's the only way.
 
We'll go on a long winning run and he gets a 3 year contract in March. Darren's at the wheel

Jokes aside, hopefully it's just for Villarreal and Chelsea games. Though I'm sure our board would love to wait if we get few positive results under Fletcher.
 
Fletcher is technical director and should absolutely understand this is a temp role until the next manager is picked. It’s not ideal but at least it suggests we’re not rushing to pay Leicester off for Rodgers.
 
GBBQ said:
Fletcher is technical director and should absolutely understand this is a temp role until the next manager is picked. It’s not ideal but at least it suggests we’re not rushing to pay Leicester off for Rodgers.
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Nah. We'll wait a few weeks and end up paying Leicester the original asking price.
 
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