Yeah must be hard getting all those egos into the team. Like managing 3 Ronaldo’s all wanting to be the best Ronaldo. Hard to imagine really. Sounds like a nice luxury to have but probably far harder for Poch than it was for Tuchel to be honest. Can you imagine Ronaldo and Messi playing in the same team for example? A lesser manager would probably have folded. But he still has them 12 or so points ahead in the league and they beat City. So he can’t be doing that bad, no?
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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Is this really happening?
Oh well, looking forward to 4th-6th place league finishes for the next 2-3 years.
Oh well, looking forward to 4th-6th place league finishes for the next 2-3 years.
He's not my first choice either but this is a ridiculous suggestion. He might not win us the league but he's still a very good coach who's 10x the coach Ole was - the same Ole who had us consistently finishing in the top 4.
So is £427m a lot of money or not? As that was my whole point, I don't think anyone can deny it isn't. You can try to compare Spur's spending to the oil clubs, but thats a bit trite really, the simple fact is of the matter is Poch spent a large sum at Spurs.
Nothing wrong with that, and as I have mentioned previously his best season came after spending nothing!
Spurs were averaging a lot lower spend before Poch than with him. No twisting, just truths. In fact you have to go back quite a few years spending with Spurs to match what Poch spent in 5, including the £100m Bale window!
What is your point in all this discussion?
Am genuinely asking, as I don't really see much wrong with Poch spending money, but you seem to be on some vendetta to prove he didn't spend money (clue: he did) yet keep reiterating the points i am making. So, can you clarify your intentions with your posts as I'm confused, cheers.
In the literal definition of the word, aye. I guess what I'm just trying to say though is, you can't really document a set approach or style to Poch's sides. You wouldn't consider them a possession team, or one that priorities tiki-taka based movements etc. He is a good manager who is capable of building sides that place good football and are adaptable to their opponents. I just don't think that will be enough given what we are up against these days. I personally think by hiring a manager with a set progressive style (which I personally consider to be one that places great emphasis on retaining possession, movement, pressing etc.) we would be better off as that generally gets a higher output out of a squad.
Poch has shown he is more than happy to sit deep etc. see PSG vs City, for example
Do I rate Poch? Absolutely and if he is hired, I will back him, I'm just not sure he is the right option. Ten Hag may not be either though, all managers have their associated risks, just my personal take on the matter though. I think it's pointless discussing anyway, as I think it's just about certain we get Poch
That's the spirit
Zidane worked with Perez, meaning he can work with anyone.
But Jose and LvG did not have us consistently finishing in the top 4, so it is not a given.
Let’s not mess this up. Poch is the right man. Ten Hag is twice the gamble poch is. First he never managed in the premier league let alone a top 6 club. Second we don’t know how he would handle a dressing room full of big players. Third Nobody knows how he would fare without a proper setup like he has at ajax. Fourth he would need more time to settle and implement his football. And we neither we have that much time given our squad nor we can take the risk right now for this kind of experimentation.
Get the handsome Argentine bastard in and let the vengeance begin. I’m seething how every club mocked us in these 2 months and We won’t forget that.
Get the handsome Argentine bastard in and let the vengeance begin. I’m seething how every club mocked us in these 2 months and We won’t forget that.
What a ridiculous take. Who would you rather have then?
No.
It's not a matter of egos, Messi being used as a pure winger and at the periphery of the game has nothing to do with ego. Pochettino is simply not adapting to the profile of players he has, we need to stop making strange excuses for managers.
And it's not as if Messi and Neymar are teammates for the first time or that Mbappé doesn't have a close relationship with Neymar.
The last nine years shows how incompetent the board is.
Jesus.
Yes but he isn't able to win trophies either and hasn't been good enough to handle superstars.
Yeah that’s the spirit
The levels of suspicion if Poch says "hey guys, I'm just gonna pop out for a walk" while in his Manchester hotel today.
The guy who is rumored to replace him at PSG. If not then ETH. And would also rather have Rodgers (despite his limits) than Poch.
Poch is a decent to good manager and very likable, but I can‘t see him making the step up from that.
Nothing says that he isn't good at handling superstars and not winning trophies isn't a weakness, it's the product of his tactics against better teams. He really isn't similar to Ole, he is a better manager in every way possible and he has limitations that are different to Ole's.
I’ll be honest, I’m not his biggest fan, his Spurs team were inconsistent and limped through that champions league run, but I’m so disillusioned with football as a result of watching this team for the past ten years, that I don’t actually care who comes in, so long as they are able to coach a modern game into our players, we look second best to literally everybody atm, can’t remember the last game we controlled. Is it even possible to turn this around with players like Fred and pogba at your disposal? I’m not so sure, I think half of them just do what they want
I don’t for one minute believe that the current coaching set up haven’t been doing anything at all with them to fix the problems we can all see.. I’m starting to wonder if collectively they’re just thick, no footballing intelligence.. unless of course three successive managers have been telling the team not to support each other through passages of play..
I don’t for one minute believe that the current coaching set up haven’t been doing anything at all with them to fix the problems we can all see.. I’m starting to wonder if collectively they’re just thick, no footballing intelligence.. unless of course three successive managers have been telling the team not to support each other through passages of play..
Please let it be true. I'll be over the moon if Poch joins us.
Are you forgetting who the Spurs manager was during those times that had them challenging in the top 2 places, or top 4 at worst? He's not LVG or Mourinho.
Zidane has refused the job, so we have to move on from that. Ten Hag is a big risk having only managed in Holland. Poch is an excellent choice.
Probably Ole again.
Zidane has rejected us. Ten Hag isn't leaving midseason, & is a huge gamble himself.
You'd take Rodgers over Poch, very curious. Why do you rate him so much?
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It doesn‘t always work like that. Moyes had Everton mostly just below top 4 but with a much better squad managed 7th. I have never wanted Poch here so I can‘t now all of a sudden pretend otherwise.
Well no you can't guarantee anything, but to resign yourself to the idea that top 6 is all Poch would achieve with our squad and resources is outrageously pessimistic. Who do you think would do a better job considering our club's structure?
Harry Redknapp would probably win the league.
All that's needed is for Ronny to be told he's a top, top, player. Triffic. Best in the world, for sure. Fantastic.
Bruno can run around a bit and get the ball in the net. Triffic.
Pogba is also a triffic player. Top, top, one of the best. Fantastic.
It's how he worked wonders at spurs - was able to keep two full squads happy and motivated without actually needing to control every facet of the game. Far better approach to the current squad than the one other managers have taken. Joe Jordan can skulk around threatening the glasgow kiss on anyone who doesn't runaroundabit enough.
What are your thoughts @Adisa ?
He's not a bad choice, but it remains to be seen if he can take us to the level we need to be challenging for the league/CL.
Pochettino wants to be here, he always has. He's not my first choice but is a brilliant coach and I think he will excel with this squad if he comes in. I think he'd be a brilliant appointment
Righto,
Are you on Uniteds board per chance??
This is like explaining economics to a child...
Are PSG not walking the league this season?
First choice is Ten Hag but I have always been a fan of Pochettino so I can't complain. I have never subscribed to the "no big trophies" talk. It fails to look at context.
I think he will do well. More importantly, getting him now gives us a chance of rescuing this season.
Yours?
Give the bloke a chance. I feel his reputation doesn't match his achievement, but he's clearly a talented coach.
We don‘t have a good structure and won‘t have it anytime soon. Most agreed that the squad is ready to challenge now. And if we can‘t get a proven winner than I would rather give it to ETH or even Potter than Poch.
I could also ask the question the other way: If you find the thought of top 4-6 ridiculous, so what do you think who will he beat to get 1st or 2nd? Pep, Klopp or Tuchel?
Anyway I am not the anti-Amadeus who will write essays against Poch (if he comes). However I have not wanted him since he left Spurs and nothing he has done since has changed my mind.
But you wish him a speedy recovery, right?
That's step 1. Step 2 should be moving his family up from London and putting roots down in the area. Don't need a third manager living away from their family like Mourinho and Solskjaer.
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