Sparky Rhiwabon
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I think you’d better look at the note at the bottom of this thread.Wake up
I think you’d better look at the note at the bottom of this thread.Wake up
I think you’d better look at the note at the bottom of this thread.
What a doozyit was a joke
Or you have got it but those are the worst symptoms any of you get, which would be quite good in a way.Myself and my son both went for covid tests this morning, at his school all but 4 kids were out with positive tests. My son came back with a cough and now I’ve got a scratchy throat and a cough. Hopefully just a cold
You've not even started debating it, but hey ho...Evidence is in font of your tv screen every single day. Watched Real- Shakthar in CL, the guy collapsed on the pitch. Two days later player colapses in EPL and one in the championship and couple of fans on the stadiums just so that they're not left out of this new trend.
Divers, tennis players, NBA players, all sorts of professional athleets ending their carees after mio and peri carditis post vaccination.
I'm not going to debate this any more or post about if, just wanted to check how people feel about this. We can disagree on this and it's OK.
It’s almost like we are in the middle of a pandemic and lots of people are sick.Evidence is in font of your tv screen every single day. Watched Real- Shakthar in CL, the guy collapsed on the pitch. Two days later player colapses in EPL and one in the championship and couple of fans on the stadiums just so that they're not left out of this new trend.
Divers, tennis players, NBA players, all sorts of professional athleets ending their carees after mio and peri carditis post vaccination.
I'm not going to debate this any more or post about if, just wanted to check how people feel about this. We can disagree on this and it's OK.
Not sure if this is the right thread for it but I missed these comments the first time around.
Bolsonaro linking COVID vaccine to increased likelihood of contracting AIDS.
How the man is still in power is a miracle (and a disgrace).
Yup. And you know that even if he does get the boot he'll just end up fleeing somewhere without an extradition treaty with the hundreds of millions he's illegally squirrelled away. Probably live out his days in luxury while his people suffer because of his irresponsible and downright evil decisions. Scumbag.He should be locked up.
About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
Mortality rate is not 3,4%. It isn't constant across age groups and footballers are much younger on average than general population. So your death number is more than 10x too big.About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
I'm not arguing with the gist, or supporting the conspiracy loons, but would not the 3.4% mortality quoted comprise mostly of the elderly and people with severe existing health conditions, rather than fit young footballers? The 9 million and 6750 isn't comparing like with like really, and whilst I've no doubt the former figure would still be much higher than the latter, the 'proof' provided in unfortunately open to question.About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
tbf, the mortality rate amongst footballers and refs and officials will most likely be much lower than 3,4%
your point still stands though
Mortality rate is not 3,4%. It isn't constant across age groups and footballers are much younger on average than general population. So your death number is more than 10x too big.
Yes!I'm not arguing with the gist, or supporting the conspiracy loons, but would not the 3.4% mortality quoted comprise mostly of the elderly and people with severe existing health conditions, rather than fit young footballers? The 9 million and 6750 isn't comparing like with like really, and whilst I've no doubt the former figure would still be much higher than the latter, the 'proof' provided in unfortunately open to question.
edit: sorry boys, I'm a slow typer!
Yes!
I just love to make over-simplifying, generalising and sweeping statements. And, of course, to show off my astounding math ability.
I don't want to raise false hopes, but this is the most hopeful thing I've read on omicron so far
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
I don't want to raise false hopes, but this is the most hopeful thing I've read on omicron so far
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
I don't want to raise false hopes, but this is the most hopeful thing I've read on omicron so far
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
Will one strain necessarily become dominant at the expense of others though, or could we just have Delta alongside Omicron, and whatever else?So it appears to be becoming more infectious but less severe. And as such, isn't impacting the South African health service capacity too negatively.
Good news. If it's true that covid-19 becomes endemic and humanity has to deal with it for evermore, it would be helpful for it to evolve into just another common cold type coronavirus.
TLDR - could you summarise please?![]()
I'm not an expert like Pogue or jojojo or gaucho_10. But that's certainly what happened with Delta usurping Beta and Alpha before it.Will one strain necessarily become dominant at the expense of others though, or could we just have Delta alongside Omicron, and whatever else?
OK thanks, fingers crossed on thisPatients are younger and less sick than previous waves. Shorter hospital stays and the vast majority don’t even need oxygen. A lot of diagnoses are incidental pick up on patients admitted for other reason.
The big caveat is that it’s still very early days and there’s always been a lag of a couple of weeks between cases shooting up and the really sick cases filling up hospitals. Still, though, best omicron news I’ve read yet!
Italy's Super Green Pass comes into force on 6 December, just before the public holiday on 8 December. The measures will run until mid-January. If you're in the 16% who have chosen not to be vaccinated, you'll have no chance of doing anything social over Christmas and New Year - no bars, no restaurants, no shows, no concerts, no ski resorts, no long-distance public transport, no gyms. You can still go to work and use local transport with a negative test result.
The government have (quite rightly in my opinion) said that it's unfair that the majority should suffer alongside the minority.
Patients are younger and less sick than previous waves. Shorter hospital stays and the vast majority don’t even need oxygen. A lot of diagnoses are incidental pick up on patients admitted for other reason.
The big caveat is that it’s still very early days and there’s always been a lag of a couple of weeks between cases shooting up and the really sick cases filling up hospitals. Still, though, best omicron news I’ve read yet!
Hope you two are fine... How old is your son?Myself and my son both went for covid tests this morning, at his school all but 4 kids in one class were out with positive tests. My son came back with a cough and now I’ve got a scratchy throat and a cough. Hopefully just a cold
I think exactly that. They will muddle through Christmas and New Year then face the repercussions afterwards. So long as hospitals aren't being over run and deaths don't climb I can't see anything shifting at number 10 nor will public acceptance of any return to strict regulations.
Not sure UK will go into another lockdown but do think vaccine passports in England will come in. Honestly cannot see argument against them before omicron and think they would have relatively high public acceptance and cooperation.
Boris seems to have held out simply because of the objections of far right nut jobs upon who his own job remains reliant
Italy's Super Green Pass comes into force on 6 December, just before the public holiday on 8 December. The measures will run until mid-January. If you're in the 16% who have chosen not to be vaccinated, you'll have no chance of doing anything social over Christmas and New Year - no bars, no restaurants, no shows, no concerts, no ski resorts, no long-distance public transport, no gyms. You can still go to work and use local transport with a negative test result.
The government have (quite rightly in my opinion) said that it's unfair that the majority should suffer alongside the minority.
How long do we have to wait for before we'll be sure if this shit is serious or not?
2 weeks from the discovery of the strain?
How utterly vile. I cannot believe people are yearning for this.
About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
How utterly vile. I cannot believe people are yearning for this.
Italy's Super Green Pass comes into force on 6 December, just before the public holiday on 8 December. The measures will run until mid-January. If you're in the 16% who have chosen not to be vaccinated, you'll have no chance of doing anything social over Christmas and New Year - no bars, no restaurants, no shows, no concerts, no ski resorts, no long-distance public transport, no gyms. You can still go to work and use local transport with a negative test result.
The government have (quite rightly in my opinion) said that it's unfair that the majority should suffer alongside the minority.