I think you’d better look at the note at the bottom of this thread.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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it was a joke
What a doozy
the telling thing about this ‘theory’ is the assumption it is vaccine related and not covid related
of course it could be either but covid would be far more logical an explanation
of course it could be either but covid would be far more logical an explanation
Or you have got it but those are the worst symptoms any of you get, which would be quite good in a way.
You've not even started debating it, but hey ho...
One of those players who you mention subsequently released a statement saying they hadn't been vaccinated. So that figure of 188 footballers collapsing - if true - doesn't tally 188 reactions to vaccines.
It’s almost like we are in the middle of a pandemic and lots of people are sick.
About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
Not sure if this is the right thread for it but I missed these comments the first time around.
Bolsonaro linking COVID vaccine to increased likelihood of contracting AIDS.
How the man is still in power is a miracle (and a disgrace).
Bolsonaro linking COVID vaccine to increased likelihood of contracting AIDS.
How the man is still in power is a miracle (and a disgrace).
He should be locked up.
Yup. And you know that even if he does get the boot he'll just end up fleeing somewhere without an extradition treaty with the hundreds of millions he's illegally squirrelled away. Probably live out his days in luxury while his people suffer because of his irresponsible and downright evil decisions. Scumbag.
tbf, the mortality rate amongst footballers and refs and officials will most likely be much lower than 3,4%
your point still stands though
Mortality rate is not 3,4%. It isn't constant across age groups and footballers are much younger on average than general population. So your death number is more than 10x too big.
I'm not arguing with the gist, or supporting the conspiracy loons, but would not the 3.4% mortality quoted comprise mostly of the elderly and people with severe existing health conditions, rather than fit young footballers? The 9 million and 6750 isn't comparing like with like really, and whilst I've no doubt the former figure would still be much higher than the latter, the 'proof' provided in unfortunately open to question.
edit: sorry boys, I'm a slow typer!
Yes!
I just love to make over-simplifying and sweeping statements. And, of course, to show off my astounding math ability.
I don't want to raise false hopes, but this is the most hopeful thing I've read on omicron so far
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
That was a good read. Thanks
So it appears to be becoming more infectious but less severe. And, as such, isn't impacting the South African health service capacity all too negatively.
Good news.
If the predictions are true that covid-19 becomes endemic and humanity has to deal with it for evermore, it would be helpful for it to evolve into just another common cold type coronavirus.
Good news.
If the predictions are true that covid-19 becomes endemic and humanity has to deal with it for evermore, it would be helpful for it to evolve into just another common cold type coronavirus.
Will one strain necessarily become dominant at the expense of others though, or could we just have Delta alongside Omicron, and whatever else?
TLDR - could you summarise please?
Patients are younger and less sick than previous waves. Shorter hospital stays and the vast majority don’t even need oxygen. A lot of diagnoses are incidental pick up on patients admitted for other reason.
The big caveat is that it’s still very early days and there’s always been a lag of a couple of weeks between cases shooting up and the really sick cases filling up hospitals. Still, though, best omicron news I’ve read yet!
I'm not an expert like Pogue or jojojo or gaucho_10. But that's certainly what happened with Delta usurping Beta and Alpha before it.
Omicron, a great bunch of mutations.
OK thanks, fingers crossed on this
in light of the recent discussion, I just read about 5 minutes ago that 2 players of a club whose squad was completely infected (Berlin AK) in the last few weeks collapsed after their last game against Jena. They're fine as of now but will undergo profound diagnostic.
Nipped over to the Arndale earlier and it was infuriating how few people were wearing masks, and even where stores had signs up saying they’d refuse entry/service nobody was doing anything about it.
Italy's Super Green Pass comes into force on 6 December, just before the public holiday on 8 December. The measures will run until mid-January. If you're in the 16% who have chosen not to be vaccinated, you'll have no chance of doing anything social over Christmas and New Year - no bars, no restaurants, no shows, no concerts, no ski resorts, no long-distance public transport, no gyms. You can still go to work and use local transport with a negative test result.
The government have (quite rightly in my opinion) said that it's unfair that the majority should suffer alongside the minority.
The government have (quite rightly in my opinion) said that it's unfair that the majority should suffer alongside the minority.
This needs to happen in more places.
How long do we have to wait for before we'll be sure if this shit is serious or not?
2 weeks from the discovery of the strain?
Hope you two are fine... How old is your son?
I think it’s different now. People from all political sides are pretty angry at the Christmas Parties held last year in Downing Street while we were all in lockdown and taking one for the team. Add to that the Met Police refusal to investigate when people are still going to court for lockdown breaches from last year and it paints a picture of the higher ups not really giving a toss, not taking it seriously, and has really undermined trust in any restrictions or laws that may be passed in the future.
Whether it’s vaccine passports, or future restrictions to full lockdown. The goodwill and unity that saw compliance in March 2020 is dead. People know the virus is here to stay, people also know that if they sacrifice to reduce any further next curve it’ll only be a matter of time until they hear news about the powers that be completely ignoring those rules and getting away with it.
How utterly vile. I cannot believe people are yearning for this.
We’re three weeks since the first omicron case already but the numbers have really only gone ballistic in the last week. We’ll have a good idea re seriousness by next weekend. And excellent one the week after.
What’s really muddying the water right now is that the average age of the people getting infected is very young. And every strain of covid tends not to be serious in the young. Nobody is sure why we’re not seeing many older people getting sick with covid. South Africa has a young population but prevents waves didn’t skew this young. Could be due to higher vaccine rates in the older (50%+ compared to 25% overall) or something else going on.
Why do you make stuff up?
There is nothing I love more to answer conspiracy theorist nonsense than actual stats and facts. It really makes but vaccines are bad mmmmmK seem as idiotic as it is.
Why.. ?
Because you think it's ok for people to be selfish arse holes putting others lives at risks because some moron on Facebook told them vaccines are to rule the world!
Being unvaccinated and continuing to put others at risk is really no different to sticking a bullet in a chamber spinning it round and heading to the shops to shoot the first person you see.
A bit of common sense from a government for once, I hope the 84 % really enjoy their Christmas and New Year.