I just despise Red Bull tbh
F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Of course, that sounds a lot better than just saying you want a race decided before it starts out of fear.
On the fair racing point though, I suspect a lot of people posting haven't actually watched any F1 out of the turbo-hybrid-Mercedes era. Because when there's two drivers in a proper title fight, it's never fair. Even the one proper title fight we had in that era, Rosberg vs Hamilton, was defined by dirty racing and bad luck.
at least he’s got his dad with him to fight the good fight and keep him on the straight and narrow.
How can Horner say they’ve both gone wide?
Hamilton could easily have made that apex.
Hamilton could easily have made that apex.
Horner what a smug cnut. Most punchable face in sport.
Yep. The worst mentor Max could've possibly had. So much talent but the wrong mentality and no coaching.
just horner things.
horner is a scouser right? surely?
I totally agree with you. That being classified as a race was a farce. It's like being here and Qatar proves that all the sport cares about is money.
Horner is John Terry, An absoute cnut but you would have him on your side.
I've never seen anyone as dirty as Max at the top of F1. Michael was a saint in comparison. Max does an entire career's worth of dirty tricks in 3-4 races.
Born in Leamington Spa.
It sounds better because its true.
I've been watching F1 for nearly 30 years. I have only been this disgusted with a driver when Schumacher took out Damon Hill. That was one incident, Max has a whole reel of equivalent incidents.
Such a shame because I want to like Max. Such a fast driver. But dirty.
Oof.
Biggest wum is Horner, as seen from the reactions here. 
no I don’t mean literally I mean spiritually
Perez hasn't helped RB in the constructors over the course of the year, I'm surprised they've kept him on
Yeah he’s great. I loved it when he accused Hamilton of attempted murder. Top man.Biggest wum is Horner, as seen from the reactions here.
Possibly in the car park as they turn up for the race.
Max said he applied the brakes
Lewis sounds ill
Lewis was not on the fence there. Probably the most direct I’ve heard him be about Max to date.
Exactly that.
We need to remember how low these drivers sit in the car.
It is now clear that Hamilton was completely unaware of why Verstappen was slowing and still had his car in the middle of the track.
Could have been anything in front.
And he said that he was trying to be careful.
To me, it does not look like Verstappen was deliberately 'brake testing Hamilton'.
But let's see what the Stewards decide.
Fair enough.
Would be great if we get the title decided by the right at the death move Bottas did today
I’m sure Horner emphasised finishes when he said it’s all about who finishes ahead but maybe that’s just me imagining things
I really don’t think Max tried to purposely cause a collision, but I’m not sure. Hamilton obviously didn’t because then both crashing out only costs him.
I really just think it was confusion. Without Hamilton knowing Max was letting him through you would naturally be totally confused what was going on. Tactics? Incident up ahead? Did Max have an issue? Could be anything, because without that information it was just not normal.
I would be interested in the telemetry though. I would say Max could have just moved out the way, but he veered into the middle and then side to side a bit. And I would want to know if he slammed the brakes there or not.
I really just think it was confusion. Without Hamilton knowing Max was letting him through you would naturally be totally confused what was going on. Tactics? Incident up ahead? Did Max have an issue? Could be anything, because without that information it was just not normal.
I would be interested in the telemetry though. I would say Max could have just moved out the way, but he veered into the middle and then side to side a bit. And I would want to know if he slammed the brakes there or not.
Indeed.
Lots of people posted at the time that this could potentially become a championship decider.
I didn't by the way.
It clearly wasn't, because he gains nothing from brake testing him. Just as Hamilton had nothing to gain from hitting him. Max was expecting Lewis to know he was giving the place up and Lewis was just unaware because he hadn't been told.
But some people are far too rabid and bitter to understand that apparently.
I don’t think so either. But he did slow down right before the accident. But not sure if that was Hamilton speeding up as he realised he was meant to go past as he was getting the message? Or did Max slow down? Unless telemetry says otherwise, I’d give Max the benefit here. It was just a confusing situation caused by bad information sharing with the race director. Massi by the way should be out of the job. It’s common sense to tell the following car before telling the leading car, for this exact reason.
Tito said he'd seen the telemetry and Max braked, accelerated, braked, etc..
Max broke again to make sure that Lewis was in front of him at the DRS activation line. When he realised that that wasn't going to happen he sped back up.
Max is ahead on points. Of course he gains, even if they both DNF or if Hamilton has to pit for a new wing.
That principle has been along way before the turbo hybrid era. Its a basic.
Nothing apart from protecting his lead in the WC
Yeah, I would like to think Max was just trying to slow down more to ensure he crossed the DRS line second, not to actually cause a collision. Ultimately, I’m finding it hard to blame either and instead think it was terrible communication from Massi - particularly the order of that communication.
But if Max did suddenly brake there, it would change my view a bit because you can’t just brake like that.
Are max and Lewis with the stewards right now?... presumably we will have an outcome quite soon as it must be pretty late over in Saudi
If you read your post, you will see that you have contradicted yourself.
Lewis has no idea....
Error by Lewis.
They can't both be correct.
Much higher risk of him getting a rear puncture and doing more damage to his WDC
Not sure I really understand why Hamilton would push for that point. It gets him level but only in a very very very rare and unlikely outcome would that point matter. It’s not like going even truly levels then because of race wins.
I think just Max.