F1 2021 Season

Fluctuation0161 said:
Considering Max just tried to take out Lewis twice, both times on turn 1 it seems your point is not accurate.

The rear of the car is much stronger the front wing. The front wing is the most delicate part of the car.
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Some people in this thread aren't worth trying to discuss with - this is the same guy who posted that Lewis fans are "running scared" for wanting a penalty, and then immediately followed it up by calling them "too rabid and bitter" to accept that Max did nothing wrong.

At this point I genuinely suspect it might be Max's or Horner's account.
 
I am not sure but it seemed like when Lewis finally did go inside on that incident Max also went inside which caused the crash
 
Uniquim said:
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hmm. if you make the rectangle twice as wide then max’s lines look like boobies.
 
it shows max’s range of vocals. hits a couple of highs and some reasonable lows.
 
Basically it shows Max lifted off twice before applying the brakes. What I cant tell is if he braked before, during or after the collision happened.

He was clearly expecting Lewis to just go past him.
 
VorZakone said:
Which degree do you need to understand this.
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It shows that Max broke sharply twice. I think it's second braking that caused the crash. I feel that it was to try and make Lewis pass him before the DRS line but that is regardless braking sharply when Lewis was directly behind him was dangerous.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It shows that Max broke sharply twice. I think it's second braking that caused the crash. I feel that it was to try and make Lewis pass him before the DRS line but that is regardless braking sharply when Lewis was directly behind him was dangerous.
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Going by that graphic, he lifted the throttle twice but didn't break
 
hobbers said:
Basically it shows Max lifted off twice before applying the brakes. What I cant tell is if he braked before, during or after the collision happened.

He was clearly expecting Lewis to just go past him.
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Fully Fledged said:
It shows that Max broke sharply twice. I think it's second braking that caused the crash. I feel that it was to try and make Lewis pass him before the DRS line but that is regardless braking sharply when Lewis was directly behind him was dangerous.
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Where are you reading that? From what I see the brake like stays at 0% the whole time?
 
If he didn’t brake then I don’t think he’s at fault. Yeah the positioning and slight veering wasn’t helpful but legal and well within his right to give it up before the DRS. Think this stacks up with what I originally thought, an incident caused by confusion caused by terrible communication from race control.
 
So will there be questions asked about this track? It looks prone to accidents.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Look at the break throttle. He brakes sharply twice.
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I'm sorry I don't think you understand the telemetry. The throttle shows he releases twice, the line moves down. The brake stays flat meaning he didn't touch it. They are two separate lines. Happy to be corrected if I'm reading it wrong.
 
mitChley said:
Where are you reading that? From what I see the brake like stays at 0% the whole time?
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Agreed, according to the graphic the brake was 0% the whole way through. He lifts off the throttle twice accelerating hard between the two throttle drop-offs.
 
mitChley said:
I'm sorry I don't think you understand the telemetry. The throttle shows you release twice, the line moves down. The brake stays flat meaning he didn't touch it. They are two separate lines. Happy to be corrected if I'm ready it wrong.
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Never seen a graph like that, but that's my interpretation as well
 
The relevant bit for showing Max was lifting, and not braking at all, and expecting Lewis to pass him is the bit before 5000m.

The bit after the 5000m mark is where both drivers brake, and Lewis actually brakes first. What I dont know is at what point exactly the collision happened.
 
Stewards said no further action regarding the Leclerc & Perez crash. That seems reasonable. Leclerc had literally nowhere to go, even if he'd braked he would catch Perez rear left, and the barriers were narrowing on the left hand side. Perez was squeezed on the right hand side iirc, so he couldn't have left that much more space.

Also, this is a great photo.

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Rado_N said:
I honestly don’t give a shit about the outcome at this stage, I don’t like either of them.
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The moaning is tiresome. I’ve grown to like Lewis I can’t deny that, but I didn’t like him in the past. Maybe that’s partly because I find Max incredibly dislikeable. And not because of his personality, or anything like that. It’s purely that I think he crosses the line of proper racing. I’m all for aggressive, just fair aggressive. All the throwing toys out the pram, it’s just part of it all. Hamilton used to be just as bad when he was younger.

Oh, and Horner is a total semen stain.

Oh, and I hope you weren’t offended by my post, it was a joke :lol:
 
hobbers said:
The relevant bit for showing Max was lifting, and not braking at all, and expecting Lewis to pass him is the bit before 5000m.

The bit after the 5000m mark is where both drivers brake, and Lewis actually brakes first. What I dont know is at what point exactly the collision happened.
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The collision will be when Lewis brakes, His throttle goes haywire at the same time as he slams on the brakes and has a few seconds of not knowing what to do before they carry on racing.
 
hobbers said:
The relevant bit for showing Max was lifting, and not braking at all, and expecting Lewis to pass him is the bit before 5000m.

The bit after the 5000m mark is where both drivers brake, and Lewis actually brakes first. What I dont know is at what point exactly the collision happened.
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If you pop open the spoiler box to see in the intersecting laps, it's easier to spot the unnatural slowing part.

Edit: Looks like the contact is actually be at 5300m. The first time they slow to 100 km/h.

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rpitroda said:
The moaning is tiresome. I’ve grown to like Lewis I can’t deny that, but I didn’t like him in the past. Maybe that’s partly because I find Max incredibly dislikeable. And not because of his personality, or anything like that. It’s purely that I think he crosses the line of proper racing. I’m all for aggressive, just fair aggressive. All the throwing toys out the pram, it’s just part of it all. Hamilton used to be just as bad when he was younger.

Oh, and Horner is a total semen stain.
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Max came across as a proper arrogant brat on drive to survive, and as you say he crosses the line in his aggression a lot but is also clearly an extremely good driver.

I’ve mellowed towards Lewis a bit in recent years but still don’t like him.

Can’t lie I’d absolutely piss if they took each other out in T1 next week.
 
Finally finished the gp. What a race. Wow. What a track. Max really needs to cut the crap out. Such a talented driver. He doesnt need to do the dodgy stuff. He has enough talent and the car to win without resorting to such antics.

Eventually it will cost him world championships in the future long after Lewis has retired. This season hes only battling lewis, next season it could be lewis, leclerc, sainz, lando etc. Who knows. All the driver will know one thing, max is dirty and cant be trusted so do to him what he would do to you I.e. drive him off track or stick him in the wall.
 
Rado_N said:
Max came across as a proper arrogant brat on drive to survive, and as you say he crosses the line in his aggression a lot but is also clearly an extremely good driver.

I’ve mellowed towards Lewis a bit in recent years but still don’t like him.

Can’t lie I’d absolutely piss if they took each other out in T1 next week.
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Oh he definitely is an incredible driver. Which is why I don’t understand his driving attitude. He could compete by being fair too. I hope they don’t crash in T1, obvs because it messes up Lewis if they do but also I would actually just like the title, which has become so bitter, to end on a proper positive note for the sport. I think that’s really key.
 
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