I might actually watch it next week if I remember, it’s definitely set up perfectly now.
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I might actually watch it next week if I remember, it’s definitely set up perfectly now.
Should add that the telemetry data for braking is binary, if you touch the brakes even a tiny bit it shows 100% Basically on/off.
Yes there is. At the beginning of the yellow area they both break together then near the end of the yellow box Lewis breaks sharply to stay behind Max then Max breaks sharply directly after him. Then Lewis breaks again.
That's what I find hard to believe too, in the most sophisticated motor sport on earth.
Looks like Max did brake, like he said he did. Toward the end of the yellow bracket.
This is what I'm thinking as well, the yellow box just shows them speeding up (I'm thinking the beginning of the box is the corner before), and they were slowing down. Also, it's right before the last corner so 5500m makes sense.
If that's the case, Max could be in trouble, he's clearly breaking.
Would be helpful if instead of distance, it had turn 1,2,3,4 etc
Stewards said no further action regarding the Leclerc & Perez crash. That seems reasonable. Leclerc had literally nowhere to go, even if he'd braked he would catch Perez rear left, and the barriers were narrowing on the left hand side. Perez was squeezed on the right hand side iirc, so he couldn't have left that much more space.
Also, this is a great photo.
It is a great photo, I laughed at the shots of him just stood there, as if waiting for a bus, during the race
I can't believe people can't see that it's beyond belief.
It would be helpful to have some form of overlay to see where they are on the circuit and confirmation of where the impact occurred on the telemetry to know what we’re looking at.
You can see the brakes being applied by them both, but is that at a relevant point?
You can see the brakes being applied by them both, but is that at a relevant point?
I think Lewis braking first may be throwing them off?
Yeah, that would help. All you can really tell from this is Max brakes at a point he didn't on the previous two laps, maybe that's relevant, maybe that's not.
I made an edit to one of the earlier posts. It seems the contact was at 5300m approx. The first dip to 100 km/h.
There's another corner right after. You can look at this video for reference.
Lewis and max and as good as each other and as bad as each other.
To be a world champion you have to be a bit of a dick. They've both played dirty throughout this season.
Just enjoy the battle, it's been a while since we've had this.
To be a world champion you have to be a bit of a dick. They've both played dirty throughout this season.
Just enjoy the battle, it's been a while since we've had this.
I guess the question is why would he need to break at all? In what scenario would he need to speed up his deceleration that much (that wouldn’t happen simply from easing off).
Yes I have seen the edit you made, that's where I was trying to refer to. Thanks. He could be in trouble based on that data
Why is everyone obsessing over brakes and not the fact he changed direction a few times?
Fair.
What’s the Abu Dhabi track like? Who does it favour?
Also, the theories about Max purposely taking out Lewis.. Surely that’d be some kind of WC points deduction. You can’t have an incentive to take somebody out
Also, the theories about Max purposely taking out Lewis.. Surely that’d be some kind of WC points deduction. You can’t have an incentive to take somebody out
Yeah I'm not sure what all the complaining is about but then again, I'm not a F1 follower. I've only been tuning in as a casual viewer because there's an actual heated rivalry happening at the moment. As far as I'm concerned the drama and dirty tricks are great entertainment.
The drifting left toward the middle of the track, back to the right, then once again to the middle, along with the erratic throttle and braking - this is all Max surely? That on top of the previous race and his other dirty tricks in this race.
Mercedes weren't angels today. Anyone know the rule on safety car in lap? Bottas was super slow. The >10 car length gap by Lewis was addressed I think (neither were formation laps). Lewis also ran Max wide as well.
Mercedes weren't angels today. Anyone know the rule on safety car in lap? Bottas was super slow. The >10 car length gap by Lewis was addressed I think (neither were formation laps). Lewis also ran Max wide as well.
There’s a monster of a straight which obviously suits the Mercedes. Other than that I’m not sure. General consensus seems to be it favours the Mercedes.
Only one is consistently running wide and not yielding in my opinion. Not saying Lewis is an angel, he's had his fair spats and rivalries on the track, Massa years back spring to mind. But his experience has showed on the track lately. Silverstone was the turning point when he knew he couldn't let Verstappen run all over him and put his nose where it shouldn't have been to send a message. Now we are in this situation. Next season will be very interesting starting on a clean slate, if you're battling with Verstappen, hold your ground. LeClerc, Norris and others will play fire with fire from race 1.
Mercedes stronghold. Max was dominant last year, but then Mercs had old power units, and Red Bull had new ones. This year Mercedes have quite fresh power units, and will dominate on the straights, Red Bulls are better around the twisty parts. I'd say it slightly favors Mercedes. Also the track has had track layout changes since last year to help overtaking.
Cheers both. Should make for a cracking race then.
I’m torn between wanting it to go in all square or max getting penalised. I think the best chance of a good racing battle would be Lewis to be up by a few points, that way max would feel that he has to keep clean
I think for the most part the collision was caused by confusion as Lewis had no idea what Max was slowing for. Had Lewis known, I think it would've been a different story. But that being said, Max definitely is to blame for it based on exactly what you've pointed out. It's erratic driving. IMO he should get some form of punishment.
Also, Lewis ran max wide? Are you talking about lap 15 after the restart? It was his corner by a mile.
Max at turn 1 next week.
Here's the helicopter replay. Click here if the video above doesn't appear.
Makes it look like Lewis could've passed quite a lot earlier.
Lines up with what he said about not knowing what Max was doing.
Really feel like there wouldn't be a crash if Lewis had been notified of Max letting him through in time, then he'd just swung out to the side and passed him.
We're bickering over the wrong thing here, whether he braked, left enough space yada yada yada. That's on the race director for not making the situation clear. How can only one driver be informed!? Crazy crazy crazy. Masi really showing he's not up to the task.
At this point anyone who says stuff like both Max & Lewis have been dirty is just messing. It really is not even close between the two. Max continues to drive like someone who knows that both guys going out is not bad for him. Hamilton has actually been extra cautious knowing that a DNF basically finishes his title hopes. Yeah he might have overstepped the limit the odd time but it’s not at all close between the two.
Whilst it's definitely mainly on the race director you can quite clearly see Verstappen also being a little prick. Since the race director can't get a grid penalty I think we should probably give one to Verstappen. On the other hand I think Lewis grinding him into the dirt next week from a level playing field would be a lot more fun.
This was a great race for drama but a very poor one for the people involved with running the races. There was just so much confusion all around about everything . I remember one time there was a lot of stuff on the track and Alonso was begging for a SC but it took them like 2 laps to decide on a VSC. Once it came out it was there for like 3-4 laps. How can something that is serious enough to take 3-4 laps to clear up take 2 laps just for them to respond
Agree.
I don't want to be Hamilton bias in any way but he's not done much wrong recently. Max has constantly overstepped, knowing exactly what you've pointed out.
Gotta say, credit to Lewis for keeping a calm head, I'd be so fed up with Max's antics by now
It's a dangerous track and Max is a dangerous driver, simple as that. I have no idea how in this ultra cautious safety era we get such a fast, narrow circuit with no run off. Must have been some big brown envelopes.
As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
Ok he doesn't know what max was doing. Why didn't he pass him then? Lewis had a total brainfart and caused a collision.
There does seem to be a lot of space but that’s asking Lewis (without knowing what’s going on) to go off the racing line with a corner coming up, where he’d never go for the overtake. Max could’ve done a better job, I.e., move to the right and stay there. I don’t think there’ll be penalties though
You really are something else
Such a nothing decision, a penalty without any actual penalty, bit of a cop out really.
Here's the document if anyone wants to see all of it:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Offence - Car 33 - Causing a collision.pdf
This part bothers me:
"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car
first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the
first to cross the DRS."
(it also said neither car wanted to cross the line first a bit later on)
but Surely the DRS detection line shouldn't matter when it comes to letting a car go past.