Absolutely. And additionally, even if they decide the outcome was irregular and should be overturned, can they even decide Lewis to be the winner? The race wasn't finished. Replay the match?
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Mercedes really could hammer the shit out of the FIA to be honest.
There's been a clear breach of the rules, just because they wanted a spectacle.
Would finishing the race under a safety car been bad? sure. But Hamilton was coasting to a victory anyway. They can't just decide to Deux Ex Machine the last 2 laps to suit their own ratings.
I think they'll take this to CAS and get it over turned.
There's been a clear breach of the rules, just because they wanted a spectacle.
Would finishing the race under a safety car been bad? sure. But Hamilton was coasting to a victory anyway. They can't just decide to Deux Ex Machine the last 2 laps to suit their own ratings.
I think they'll take this to CAS and get it over turned.
I got a tenner for the person who dares start the Let's all laugh at Lewis Hamilton thread.
Hamilton wasn't faster for a lot of the races this season either so.
Fair enough, that's your opinion, that's all you had to say (bolded in red). Like my original post, I believe he did deserve it this season, as did Hamilton.
Yup Masi really fecked up either way. He can't be allowed to continue for next season regardless of who wins the title this year.
You cannot be making shit up as you go along as race director.
They have taken a barrister with them so it's going to drag out which is totally unfair on Max as he's having to pay for FIA / Masi feck up.
Called having a debate.
I haven't watched in years and only watched because it was a decider. I have no horse in this race.
But isn't that all hearsay?
Based on want the, I suppose, experts, said on sky, the people got both decisions wrong.
I'd like to see equal uproar.
Well this whole conversation started because you couldn't accept people disagreeing that Max deserved it. Still, we can disagree, so let's leave it at that.
Anyway, imo, for the neutrals it was very exciting today. A bit of the old back & forth on the 1st lap and last lap.
I don’t recall it being that exciting for quite a while.
I don’t recall it being that exciting for quite a while.
Odds on?
Not sure it's hearsay. I didn't agree with the steward's ruling on the lap 1 incident, but believe in the whole race it wouldn't have mattered. Hamilton was just too quick, and Horner admitted as much shortly before the end of the race (about 12 laps to go).
Also have another question. How was max able to pit and catch up to Lewis?
Don't they all have to drop their speed to let's say "X". If they are all doing "X" speed, how does he close the initial gap and the pit stop time without breaking some speed regulation?
Don't they all have to drop their speed to let's say "X". If they are all doing "X" speed, how does he close the initial gap and the pit stop time without breaking some speed regulation?
It was actually boring for all but 3 laps in my opinion. The tiny bit were Perez held up Lewis and the last lap were exciting. The rest screamed very comfortable Lewis win.
Epic conclusion, but I can imagine Lewis feeling like bad luck Brian.
It's a completely shit situation all round.
No doubt Max can't believe his luck and won't be giving it up without a fight - I don't really blame red bull.
Masi has proven to be a weak leader, he can't handle the pressure. You can hear his stumbling and bumbling voice whenever red bull get over the radio.
The fact they made a decision then changed it again with little warning 1 lap later was ridiculous.
This guy needs chucking out for next season.
My argument was 1 race shouldn't determine whether Max was deserving or not, based on a decision that he had no influence over, like yourself and a few others suggested.
All be it, if over the course of the season you felt he wasn't deserving, and you definitely have arguments for such as today and his overly aggressive driving, then sure. IMO I believe both have been in a league of their own and both are fully deserving, even with Max's controversial driving.
Hope you stick to it this time. But you're 17 races and 250 posts too late to deny anyone your tears.
Hopefully you can reflect on how awful your posts have been and grow up a bit for next season, or at least make a Lewis v Max fanboy thread and keep the F1 thread clear of the low quality posts and temper tantrums.
Team A vs Team B. 2-1 in the 95th minute to team A, ball goes into their box and gets cleared off a knee.
Manager of B phones the ref and tells him that for the sake of entertainment he should give a penalty shootout, sudden death winner takes all.
The ref decides the rules of the game have changed and kneeball is a thing, gives the penalty shootout.
Striker of the team A has to play in slippers, B in fresh football boots.
Team B score and win. Sky commentators struggle to get excited about it all as even they can't hype this level of farce.
New depths are found in some caf posters lack of integrity.
Hobbers doesn't know what to do with himself, yet admiringly keeps trying.
The Dutch finally achieve their quest of becoming equal to the Brits in arrogance and delusion.
The thread gets abandoned by all but the three people who actually like this sports entertainment.
Under SC you mean? You're allowed to close the gap. VSC freezes gaps.
They aren’t equal incidents though - the latter was a rule made up on the spot where the outcome was gifting verstappen the lead and win on last lap. The former was subjective (wrong in my view - Lewis should have given the place back - but based on Brazil consistent) but verstappen had an entire race to correct it.
Charlie Whiting was a fantastic race director, he made mistakes as anyone would over a decade but he certainly knew the rules. He's a massive loss to the sport with consistent decision making.
Masi has to go now, he can't make things up without seemingly knowing the regulations.
Masi has to go now, he can't make things up without seemingly knowing the regulations.
I wonder about other teams down the order, some cars ahead were allowed to overtake and some not to get the race underway with Max on fresh tyres to make a race of it.
How many teams lost and gained final positions due to this, we know how critical the funding is with each position, it seems really unfair for some teams to lose out if indeed that did happen, I've not checked the points but we could have some other teams calling this out. Surely you get the whole field back in order or you don't before restarting, not just some of them for slam a dunk Max overtake spectacle. For Lewis the race was settled on the track, he was well ahead. I could understand Lewis thinking about retiring.
It's hard to see them overturning anything, it looks even more farcical to the wider audience.
How many teams lost and gained final positions due to this, we know how critical the funding is with each position, it seems really unfair for some teams to lose out if indeed that did happen, I've not checked the points but we could have some other teams calling this out. Surely you get the whole field back in order or you don't before restarting, not just some of them for slam a dunk Max overtake spectacle. For Lewis the race was settled on the track, he was well ahead. I could understand Lewis thinking about retiring.
It's hard to see them overturning anything, it looks even more farcical to the wider audience.
Ending under a SC is anticlimactic, but the entire race was a masterclass by Lewis and Mercedes (not so much for Bottas!). Tire strategy, driving, having to stay disciplined behind Checo who was holding up Lewis yet once he overtook Checo, Lewis increased his lead over Max. Furthermore, Lewis had to lap 4 or 5 cars, which Max didn't completely experience because of the incorrect SC lap decision. His tire management on hands was class. Such an impressive drive, for nothing.
If he had won without the clearly rule breaking farce at the end , then yes no problem winning like that was just wrong, just imagine if it had been Lewis winning that way.
Some on here would have been calling for Lewis, Mercedes , Toto to be banned.
Did Max deserve it over the season, I am calling it even over the season, did Lewis deserve to lose the way he did , absolute not.
It was the season we all wanted , down to the last race , final lap but feck, it left a bitter taste.
Ah so the earlier one where he couldn't close the gap was virtual safety car but this one wasn't so that's how he got nose to nose.
Seems an odd rule.
Perfect thanks.
They aren't equal in any way though.
You are looking at it way to simplistically mate.
I was just thinking about that. How come he managed to finish fourth, ahead of Gasly and various much better cars?
A debate, or a conversation even, involves listening to the other person and responding accordingly. You haven't, on multiple occasions. You keep repeating a point I've already agreed with, and when reminded so, repeated yourself again.
Wild jumps of assumption thrown in too, don't make for a constructive debate/conversation.
Mercedes will argue they made the decision not to pit based on the likelihood that the race wouldn't have restarted. It's an absolute fact that race control circumvented their own rule book of which Mercedes strategy was made upon.
So messy, FIA are actually an embarrassing outfit on and off track.
So messy, FIA are actually an embarrassing outfit on and off track.
God bless, Dutch guy.
Because you made comments where you clearly didn't read my post.
Either way, let's keep this to f1, not these petty comments.
WOW I hope next season thread is not so toxic, but I think it could be.
All makes for good reading on the whole.
All makes for good reading on the whole.
Max has 18 top 2 finishes this year, the most by any driver in F1 history. "Undeserved champion" according to some.
The way the season ended doesn't sit right with me, but selective memory on here is hilarious. Baku, Hungary and Silverstone. This WDC should've been sewn up a while ago.
The way the season ended doesn't sit right with me, but selective memory on here is hilarious. Baku, Hungary and Silverstone. This WDC should've been sewn up a while ago.
The incident that caused it all, that prevented Lewis from winning an eighth world championship...just had to involve Michael Schumacher's son too. 
Exactly, sainz could have had a chance of doing both and finishing first while Lewis and max blocked each other, but he had 4 cars in his way. It was an utter farce, I still can’t believe it
But no one knows how the rest of it would have went after it. For example what the decisions would have been under the virtual safety car.
The FIA will admit error, give them Massi’s head on a stick - everyone will know it’s a tainted win but it won’t be overturned.
Most likely outcome, agreed
My bet too.
I read all of your posts, but yes, lets.