Yeah my guess is there will be no action for the Verstappen safety car overtake and as a bitter Lewis fan I dont think there should be a penalty for that. It was miniscule and didn't really give Max any advantage. But the unlapping business will drag out I think.
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Yeah my guess is there will be no action for the Verstappen safety car overtake and as a bitter Lewis fan I dont think there should be a penalty for that. It was miniscule and didn't really give Max any advantage. But the unlapping business will drag out I think.
First of all, 
at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
How is it arbitrary?
Well, after a certain other one who's disgraced himself enough tonight that is. Though the mods could change the rules and give it to you I suppose!
1.st I'm not wumming but this place is so one sided that it is laughable. Basically Mercedes gambled that safety car will go till the end and gamble didn't payed of.
Imagine Ferrari taking things further because Glock forgot how to drive on the last lap of the season.
2. He made 2 seconds in last third of the race. I am not convinced if they wouldn't let those pass that Max wouldn't catch him and passed him. But this was not the case and it's unfair to take away a championship from Max who won it within the rules and directions FIA set up.
Either all cars unlap themselves or none do. That is the rules and it's pretty straight forward. Masi just wanted a drag race finish. His decision puts the entire sport in disrepute as he changed the rules knowing it would change the result. You simply cannot do that in any sport.
That's the perfect result for FIA.
I don't know about that. Apparently in F1 you can arbitrarily change any rule.
There is something fundamentally wrong with a driver crashing because of his own error, which in turn brings out a safety car that takes away the advantage that the race leader had built up. Why aren’t the gaps frozen in place?
All or none, not just the amount that fits RB. Besides, one more SC lap after letting the lapped cars go, say the rules.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
Incorrect. They allowed lapped cars to overtake on Lap 57, about 5 corners from home I might add. Their own rule book states this happens a lap before they are allowed to pass so the SC would have pulled in at the final corner of the final lap.
First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
Nice try, wum
Not true. He asked for no full safety car. Equally shit, but just saying...
Agree with this. Its pretty stupid
I agree with this. As entertaining as it is to hear the bitching and moaning they are putting pressure on and trying to influence decisions. Obviously the stewards need to have contact with the bosses for safety and information updates but they shouldn't be allowed to get involved in decision making.
I sat through the Schumacher barrichello years too and I think this is a great season and this race is a great advert for F1. My guess is this thread is largely not reflecting the opinion of F1 by fans and public.
Think a lot of Brits are feeling hard done by hamilton s loss. Some of the moaning has been bizzare to me. Hamilton has been pushed to the limit this season and he is a champion. He will be back stronger next year and I can't personally wait for round 2 of this next year
Toto was doing the same earlier too, to be fair. And the FIA should not be influenced by either team. Of course both teams are going to try and put the pressure on if they can
So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!
@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate!
This thread is fire today.
There's free speech and there's free speech.
To connect the rationale for the race decision to them (allegedly) not liking some of Lewis' beliefs, is just silly
It’s not that they were allowed to pass. It’s that the rules were not followed. No disrespect, but a fact that quite clearly would have easily been found throughout this thread or any new outlet.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
But anyway, specifically:
1) Only some lapped cars were allowed through, not all (unprecedented)
2) That the safety car came in on the lap they were let through, when the rules state it is required to be the next lap (also unprecedented)
Ah right, all three of them. The FIA is 100% correct according to Ziggo Sports pundit Jos Verstappen. Never heard of him, but he seems impartial.
I thought football was tribal
Where were the cars not allowed through in the queue? Could that have had any part in their decision?
The trouble is, can they conclusively prove either allowing all of them through, or not allowing any through would have any baring on the result. Would Max have still reeled in Lewis if the cars weren't got out his way
Why can't they have let the cars un lap themselves a lap earlier, then have the final lap racing
I think Mercedes should have pit Lewis when Max had his 2nd stop, then he'd have had slightly newer tyres and perhaps would have held Max off
The trouble is, can they conclusively prove either allowing all of them through, or not allowing any through would have any baring on the result. Would Max have still reeled in Lewis if the cars weren't got out his way
Why can't they have let the cars un lap themselves a lap earlier, then have the final lap racing
I think Mercedes should have pit Lewis when Max had his 2nd stop, then he'd have had slightly newer tyres and perhaps would have held Max off
Been posted multiple times here but the rules don't seem to allow for just a handful of lapped cars being let through, it's either all or none and the rules make it very clear that the safety car can only come in the lap after the last lapped car goes past it - in this case that would end the race with Hamilton winning the race and the title. So Masi basically just t hrew the rules out of the window cos he wanted excitement.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
My god. I had go leave the house immediately after the race was done, so I've missed the post-race fallout. My heart nearly fell out of my arse on that final lap, but honestly was a sitting duck the second they made that decision. He stood no chance against Max's soft tyres. The championship was decided there and then. Asterisk in the history books.
Sky are saying we should have a decision in the next 30 minutes
The issue is only some were allowed to pass. Only those between Lewis and Max. I'm unclear if the SC should have gone an extra lap per rules also. Someone else can chime in there.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
This comment is rendered completely void by the fact the lapped cars were allowed to pass, so the race should've finished behind the safety car therefore Lewis would've won.
I just don't see them doing anything that changes the WC outcome. But I can see Merc going and going with this.
I think @ArjenIsM3 is too well behaved and not wummy enough for that title anyway. Just a bit deludedSo you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!
@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate!
Yeh this is the thing I don’t understand either as a novice. Seems mad you can lose a massive advantage just due to bad luck that must happen quite often.
Barely a normal defeat was it. It was a rule breaking farce.
I don't see anything other than making Merc go to CAS. Surely they can't overturn their own error.
Merc will 100% go to CAS if it doesn't go their way.
Stewards' verdict expected tonight
The latest from Sky Sports News' Craig Slater in Abu Dhabi
"My understanding is we should get a verdict here from the stewards here tonight within the next half an hour.
"I think there is an understanding that this needs to be done tonight after the race was held. It's bad enough that it's dragging on several hours after the race concluded so that should come pretty soon.
"The question is what happens after that. There is an appeals process if Mercedes or Red Bull are not happy with the decision. The loser in this case has the option to go to the FIA's Court of Appeal - but there's a cut-off for that and it's quite soon as well.
"Thursday is the FIA Prize Giving ceremony and any appeal would have to be heard and decided upon by Thursday because there is no recourse after the trophy has been handed over to the world champion."
The latest from Sky Sports News' Craig Slater in Abu Dhabi
"My understanding is we should get a verdict here from the stewards here tonight within the next half an hour.
"I think there is an understanding that this needs to be done tonight after the race was held. It's bad enough that it's dragging on several hours after the race concluded so that should come pretty soon.
"The question is what happens after that. There is an appeals process if Mercedes or Red Bull are not happy with the decision. The loser in this case has the option to go to the FIA's Court of Appeal - but there's a cut-off for that and it's quite soon as well.
"Thursday is the FIA Prize Giving ceremony and any appeal would have to be heard and decided upon by Thursday because there is no recourse after the trophy has been handed over to the world champion."
It's unfortunate. The virtual SC is better when it can be used.
And add they made a decision then had contact from Horner (allegedly) and changed the ruling
Literally zero chance they will do anything that could take the championship away from Max. The optics on that would be horrific. They will say the decision stands and accept that they will see Mercedes in court. It would be much better for the courts to hand the title to Hamilton* in a year or two than for FIA to today.
*They probably won’t even have the ability to do that, just award Hamilton compensation and confirm it was unjust.