F1 2021 Season
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The judgement even quotes the rules they ignored.
They don't just say "we haven't upheld it", they actually state the rules which they should have followed then say they didn't because a Race Director has some overarching powers that mean he can ignore SC rules
They were right not to pit under VSC - Max wasn’t catching. And they couldn’t pit under the safety car as had the rules actually been applied there was a genuine risk it would have ended under the safety car. So what did they get wrong?
Listen to Lewis radio , he begs to disagree.
These people enjoy the WWE style drama. Would've been funny seeing their reactions if it benefited Hamilton today.
Don't waste your breathe, that user is clearly a WUM.
Shitshow is a bit much. Even the Red Bull dude over the radio thought it was over until the race director decided "next goal is the winner".
The tactics worked fine until Red Bull dude got the "miracle" he said they needed.
No it wasn't. Latifi's car was up in the air and being taken off the track a good 20sec before the SC passed on its first lap (55/58), halfway through lap 56 the call came to not let the lapped cars overtake which was the first of all the weird decisions they made. If they had instead made the call to send the lapped cars through at that time then the SC would still have come in after lap 57 and we would've had the exact same ending, and it would've all been by the book.
It’s strange to me that people let their support of one athlete/team and dislike of another get in the way of ensuring credibility of the sport that they enjoy watching.
Cas here we come
Presume merc will at some point suggest they don't want to race in or supply engines to a corrupt sport
Just putting into context that it’s a reoccurrence through the season. Max was gifted +3.5 points more than lewis. They knew the race wouldn’t go ahead and wanted to gift him them.
I don’t think Mercedes got any tactics wrong at all, they were on course for one of their most comfortable wins of the season. What happened was just bad luck and some bizarre decision making by Masi
Right. But Lewis always disagrees in the moment as he hasn’t got all the data. He disagreed with not pitting under the VSC which was clearly the right choice. So again - what was this shit show they had with strategy?
Article 15.3
The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice and the race, adherence to the timetable and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice or suspension of the race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.
This rule will probably mean any Merc appeals are batted away both internally and at CAS.
The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice and the race, adherence to the timetable and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice or suspension of the race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.
This rule will probably mean any Merc appeals are batted away both internally and at CAS.
Surely there's no more Lewis can do in F1 now?
He's better going off to Formula E and making that sport bigger with cleaner cars.
He's better going off to Formula E and making that sport bigger with cleaner cars.
Yep, the Lewis fans must have gone "oh no" when the shot of the crashed car came up - it was plain sailing without a crash.
Why are people criticising Merc’s tactics? I thought at the time that they should’ve brought Lewis in under the VSC, but they were proven right in their decision not to, they were 10s clear before the safety car and on their way to winning the race.
Even if they’d pitted under the VSC, max would’ve had fresh soft tyres attacking worn hard tyres. Lewis was a sitting duck as soon as the decision was made by Masi.
Even if they’d pitted under the VSC, max would’ve had fresh soft tyres attacking worn hard tyres. Lewis was a sitting duck as soon as the decision was made by Masi.
Max was robbed of 50 points at Baku and Silverstone... Lewis was gifted points at Imola and Silverstone.
This is endless.
Its seems Merc didn't actually read all rules then.
He'll see out his two year contract and retire.
You okay bro?
Listening to Toto whinge like a bitch on that last lap
Muppets on here are out all of a sudden!
And they'll quietly step aside when given certain winks and assurances.
He should absolutely do Formula E, it's a win for his image to be racing in an environmentally friendly formaula
Insane end to the season, a pity it had to end like that. I support Verstappen more than Hamilton, but it feels a bit shit that he loses it because of another driver crashing out of nothing. That’s the beauty of the sport though, it’s a factor that makes every race kind of interesting - and to be fair, the only way it can be interesting to the masses around the world. Obviously Hamilton deserved to win today and also the Championship as a consequence, but Verstappen finished first and thus deserved it too. This was just today, remember when Verstappen punctured from a win and finished with zero points, that's also equally unlucky. Shit, Latifi will never drive for Mercedes that much is sure - you couldn't really make this up in advance, exceptional drama.
As for all the crying Hamilton-fans above me in this thread, jesus christ get a grip, stop pretending you know the rules better than the stewards. It probably would have been the other way around if Mercedes won and Red Bull-fans were at it, but again stop pretending people like Horner is bending the rules better than Toto Wolff. The latter is basically the Darth Vader in this sport, he has the political power of Putin when it comes to interfering the judges. Next year I hope the principals are not allowed to talk to the race director during the race, it's pathetic and screams of special treatment. I am glad the silly protests didn't lead them anywhere.
Two thoughts came to my head during the race; I was "sure" Perez was going to somehow strike Hamilton when he defended his brief lead, that would have cleared Verstappen and so on. Also, what is Bottas suddenly crashes out or makes a huge mistake on the last lap causing another, immediate Safety car? Maybe he would have taken one for the team if he was still driving there next season...
As for all the crying Hamilton-fans above me in this thread, jesus christ get a grip, stop pretending you know the rules better than the stewards. It probably would have been the other way around if Mercedes won and Red Bull-fans were at it, but again stop pretending people like Horner is bending the rules better than Toto Wolff. The latter is basically the Darth Vader in this sport, he has the political power of Putin when it comes to interfering the judges. Next year I hope the principals are not allowed to talk to the race director during the race, it's pathetic and screams of special treatment. I am glad the silly protests didn't lead them anywhere.
Two thoughts came to my head during the race; I was "sure" Perez was going to somehow strike Hamilton when he defended his brief lead, that would have cleared Verstappen and so on. Also, what is Bottas suddenly crashes out or makes a huge mistake on the last lap causing another, immediate Safety car? Maybe he would have taken one for the team if he was still driving there next season...
Whilst you and others would have a completely different viewpoint if the roles were reversed lets be completely honest.
Yeah it seems so. It's quite black and white Masi does actually have discretion in how he uses and recalls the safety car.
I guess they felt they have to try.
Break Micheal’s record ?
On the plus side, F1 has its Aguero moment
I think that it needs to go to CAS if the fact that the race director can make the rules up as they go then you can't continue this as a sport. That needs to be challenged if nothing else.
Yeah that's not going to happen let's face it. The FIA have had enough of him as champion.
It's Max's turn.
Mercedes' next moves are understood to be under discussion, with the team to inform the media when they have something to share.
Under the sport's regulations, competitors do have the right to appeal.
Under the sport's regulations, competitors do have the right to appeal.
Appealing again.
It already had that in 2008.
I'm a motor racing fan first and foremost. I cheer on the British drivers but I would've been angry today regardless of who win. A world championship should not be decided like that.
You are probably right but it’s the fact it’s the last race and we haven’t got F1 for a few months
It’s like City winning it in stoppage time
over the season i believe the best man won.
This is no sport what a dreadful advert for it
Even more embarrassing the people that can't put feeling aside and will just jump to defend their favourite this just shows the current mentality of the world as a whole no logic or reason applied.
Even more embarrassing the people that can't put feeling aside and will just jump to defend their favourite this just shows the current mentality of the world as a whole no logic or reason applied.
I’m blaming all this on Latifi, Horner doesn’t though.