The funny part is that quite a few posters jumped on that bandwagon and had whole discussion about it
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yep. that’s cut and dried and the worst part of all this. it’s a pisstake and it’s caused me to waste even more hours moaning about it alongside all the hours wasted watching it all unfold to this point. it’s such a shit way to treat fans who actually like the sport and not just their man winning or because they liked drive to survive.
could definitely mount a nerf gun on it and allow drivers to try and distract each other.
If by discussion you mean everyone disagreeing and calling it out, sureThe funny part is that quite a few posters jumped on that bandwagon and had whole discussion about it
no one with a working brain can be happy with that unfolding like that in a sport, regardless of whether or not it meant the outcome of the race was favourable for them or not.
Stoped reading at first. Mercedes decided for no pitstop way before there was "lapped cars won't bw released" thing. That decision was changed in the same lap btw cuz Masi saw that track is totally clear and they can go.
ah. sweet vindication.
I was thinking the design looked like a certain lady part, and the man-babies driving looking like they are being born every time they are on camera. Imagine the sponsor stream that would open up!
Let's see what the cas say but it was a series of strange decisions/ communications
ah right. i’m yet to see one but can totally imagine one now, all carbon fibrey and life saving
viewers could spend good boy points and vote for their least favourite driver to be “born” out of the cockpit along a drs straight to rag doll off around the track.
WOW this thread has had nearly half a million views
there’s no chance anything changes with regards to standings. max is the 2021 wdc. the story isn’t over but that chapter is closed.
When the lapped cars were released why did only the 5 between Max and Lewis go ?
One of the most annoying things is hearing Horner say “it’s unheard of not letting lapped cars un lap themselves” but no one seems to ask him what about the 3 that didn’t Christian? I’d say that’s very unheard off.
Regardless of the competitors and what went before it, no championship should be decided in the way this one was today. Max + Lewis were level pegging and today was supposedly 'best man on the day wins'. That is not what we got in my opinion.
Wherever your allegiances lie, that was an utter farce and if 'entertainment' is going to come at the cost of sporting integrity going forward then I'm done with F1.
Engineered drama and marketability won today.
Wherever your allegiances lie, that was an utter farce and if 'entertainment' is going to come at the cost of sporting integrity going forward then I'm done with F1.
Engineered drama and marketability won today.
The ramifications of this could be huge. Mercedes dont spend circa £500mil a season to go racing in F1 for some trumped up race director to create his own rules. That engine development freeze that RB want so badly until 2026 that's due to be signed off soon, Mercedes could pull out and screw over RB. The empire will strike back...
Because only 5 of the 8 were allowed to go (absurdly).
The other 3 were in front of Sainz and considering he ended up 3rd, he surely has a right to feel aggrieved that he was excluded from the 'let them race' directive? Granted he is slower but who is Masi to right him off from a SC start?
I can't see Mercedes pulling out - their whole AMG division is built on their F1 pedigree.
The burning question. I'd say it was for the Netflix generation.
Yup. This wasn't about Lewis or Max, it was about drama. Short terms gains and all that.
definitely. there are a load of legs in this one, i just don’t see any scenario where they strip max of the title and give it to lewis.
I think that’s a very overlooked point. It’s completely absurd.
Nail on the head.
it’s basically like the end of gladiator where masi has agreed to let them fight it out but only after one of the gladiators is stabbed in his side.
So he can be even more full of shit? If anything Vettel has shown Ham for being full of it when it comes to gay rights and environmental concerns.
The most that might happen is the result gets scrubbed, in which case Max still wins.
Most likely is some kind of acknowledgement it shouldn't have happened this way and Masi goes. I don't see any circumstance where he is race director next year. Its not just Mercedes that think he's been awful.
Head to bed mate, you’ve had a big day.
There’s zero chance this happens now.
So the 5 were told they could go and the 3 told not to go? If thats the case then its pretty straight forward that it was giving 2nd place freedom to attack 1st without having to worry about being under pressure from 3rd place.
yeah. if hamilton actually cared he would have responded to my dm’s asking him if he wanted to come down the esso garage with me to enjoy the new glory hole there. vettel at least said he’d “love to be there” but he had a scheduling conflict on tuesdays.
what kind of sport is this where the race director decides the world champion? absolute shitshow
Aren’t you waiting for them to oil up and start wrestling?
Which is why it's totally against precedent and why merc are going to appeal
Christ.
I did think Masi went too far when he had Hamilton's family killed
Your posts are full of shit. They stink of inaccuracy and bias.
apparently when they killed his kid he squealed like a horner.
Wow, just wow. Took me until now, and tens of pages in this thread to read through, to write what I ultimately think of today. In terms of what I could have written, there are about 3 ways I was going to opionate this, but after all the drama I thought breaking it all down in factors made sense (probably too long so appreciate few people would read this):
WDC
Either driver being on the top wouldn't be undeserved, if you looked at the overall season. Remove the controversies that came through this season, you can't argue that Max 100% deserved it over Lewis, nor if it were the other way. Max was a superb driver and he contributed heavily to creating by far the best season of F1 in my lifetime. The duels were phenomenal at times between these two to the point they may as well have just stopped the cars and settled with fisticuffs. Were every corner overtake clean and justified from both sides? Hell no, Lewis had some dodgy moments, most notably silverstone, that makes neither 100% a saint. But this is a sport that drives the biggest winners to win at all costs, and Max brought out the Shumacher in him to win against Lewis at times when he couldnt do with clean racing. Hence why I believe he is easily like to reach Vettel's WC record at least.
Abu Dhabi race in general
This race for me in general was always going to be based on strategy and external factors, rather than the two drivers outright if I am honest. Although Max started P1, I was always certain Hamilton would lead the race after 10 laps. The 1st lap incident I was shocked he didnt give it back. If the communication was made by FIA to give it back, then it would have been given swiftly given the debacle in SA, and more cleanly as the track is far wider to do so.
After this, it was almost a procession. Mercedes were going to be faster overall and be able to keep them at bay, and so it was going to rely on a botch stop or a safety car or two to disrupt the norm. This season RB have been better at making the bold decisions on pit stop strategies during SC situations, and although the 1st one looked like it may work (VSC one which isnt quite the same), the 2nd one certainly did. If life was normal at the back of the track, with the drivers who are not fighting to be last just keep going and not get reckless, and absolutely nothing to fight for, this result would have obviously have been different. However this has happened many times before and cant pinpoint Latifi as the sole reason it happened. To me its a butterfly effect-situation.
FIA
To me, the real enemies for any Hamilton fans, or even neutrals that wanted a final to be finished purely on racing ability. I'm not sure where I can even begin with this because I am looking at this as if I was not a Hamilton fan and purely at how this was handled today.
There was a clear motive from the FIA to penalise Verstappen, were he to try and do any dirty work to take Hamilton out so as to cause a Senna/Schumacher-Style WDC. It was a good way of saying they wanted this finale to end in true racing style. They didnt want to face the endless drama of Hamilton and Verstappen crashing into each other in the first few laps (which nearly happened), and having to face the endless backlash afterwards.
What they have done in turn is openly questioned the integrity of F1 rules by how they handled those final laps. Not once have I ever seen only a handful of cars unlap themselves to allow the 2 lead cars to then race. It was a baffling decision to make not less than a lap after Masi was adamant the cars should not overlap. I do question the sudden decision making, of which was communicated to only a select amount of cars. I think the worst part of the communication was at these two key points (ad libbing a bit):
Masi to Horner: safety comes first
Masi to Wolff: we want modern racing
He basically changed his tune in th3 space of 5 minutes. If any poster does read my TDLR and pickpockets my reconstructed Masi statements, then I will bother to watch the clips again and quote exaclty what he said, but to me it felt like the heat of the moment in terms of making a proper decision, and they wanted the race to end as a "race" and didnt care which car had supposed advantage.
End of that long view from me, Max deserves the win, he put in a lot of cracking races and wins, and pushed Hamilton hard on the ones he didnt. In the future, if this sport is going to keep the fans as well as bring more in, it needs to sort out how its fecking ruled, as those last 5 laps felt the equivalent of a ref giving a red to a player, not sure what to do so lets the player stay on for 5 more minutes before agreeing hes off. Rules arent clear.
WDC
Either driver being on the top wouldn't be undeserved, if you looked at the overall season. Remove the controversies that came through this season, you can't argue that Max 100% deserved it over Lewis, nor if it were the other way. Max was a superb driver and he contributed heavily to creating by far the best season of F1 in my lifetime. The duels were phenomenal at times between these two to the point they may as well have just stopped the cars and settled with fisticuffs. Were every corner overtake clean and justified from both sides? Hell no, Lewis had some dodgy moments, most notably silverstone, that makes neither 100% a saint. But this is a sport that drives the biggest winners to win at all costs, and Max brought out the Shumacher in him to win against Lewis at times when he couldnt do with clean racing. Hence why I believe he is easily like to reach Vettel's WC record at least.
Abu Dhabi race in general
This race for me in general was always going to be based on strategy and external factors, rather than the two drivers outright if I am honest. Although Max started P1, I was always certain Hamilton would lead the race after 10 laps. The 1st lap incident I was shocked he didnt give it back. If the communication was made by FIA to give it back, then it would have been given swiftly given the debacle in SA, and more cleanly as the track is far wider to do so.
After this, it was almost a procession. Mercedes were going to be faster overall and be able to keep them at bay, and so it was going to rely on a botch stop or a safety car or two to disrupt the norm. This season RB have been better at making the bold decisions on pit stop strategies during SC situations, and although the 1st one looked like it may work (VSC one which isnt quite the same), the 2nd one certainly did. If life was normal at the back of the track, with the drivers who are not fighting to be last just keep going and not get reckless, and absolutely nothing to fight for, this result would have obviously have been different. However this has happened many times before and cant pinpoint Latifi as the sole reason it happened. To me its a butterfly effect-situation.
FIA
To me, the real enemies for any Hamilton fans, or even neutrals that wanted a final to be finished purely on racing ability. I'm not sure where I can even begin with this because I am looking at this as if I was not a Hamilton fan and purely at how this was handled today.
There was a clear motive from the FIA to penalise Verstappen, were he to try and do any dirty work to take Hamilton out so as to cause a Senna/Schumacher-Style WDC. It was a good way of saying they wanted this finale to end in true racing style. They didnt want to face the endless drama of Hamilton and Verstappen crashing into each other in the first few laps (which nearly happened), and having to face the endless backlash afterwards.
What they have done in turn is openly questioned the integrity of F1 rules by how they handled those final laps. Not once have I ever seen only a handful of cars unlap themselves to allow the 2 lead cars to then race. It was a baffling decision to make not less than a lap after Masi was adamant the cars should not overlap. I do question the sudden decision making, of which was communicated to only a select amount of cars. I think the worst part of the communication was at these two key points (ad libbing a bit):
Masi to Horner: safety comes first
Masi to Wolff: we want modern racing
He basically changed his tune in th3 space of 5 minutes. If any poster does read my TDLR and pickpockets my reconstructed Masi statements, then I will bother to watch the clips again and quote exaclty what he said, but to me it felt like the heat of the moment in terms of making a proper decision, and they wanted the race to end as a "race" and didnt care which car had supposed advantage.
End of that long view from me, Max deserves the win, he put in a lot of cracking races and wins, and pushed Hamilton hard on the ones he didnt. In the future, if this sport is going to keep the fans as well as bring more in, it needs to sort out how its fecking ruled, as those last 5 laps felt the equivalent of a ref giving a red to a player, not sure what to do so lets the player stay on for 5 more minutes before agreeing hes off. Rules arent clear.
This thread is a mess. So much polarisation for both guys. The last two races one won by Hamilton & one by Max have both had incredible drama but I don’t think it’s put the people running the sport & team bosses in good light . The off season is a good chance for f1 to work on this or it will lose all the great new goodwill the sport has gained