Wow. You actually want to see race fixing in F1...
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Wow. You actually want to see race fixing in F1...
At some point you are going to be thread banned for wumming if you don't tone it down mate!
Whether he does or not, a lot of people seem to be happy with it as it entertained them.
First time I have been able to re-watch any of the race.
feck I want to punch Horner !!!
https://fb.watch/9UhP1FKth_/
feck I want to punch Horner !!!
https://fb.watch/9UhP1FKth_/
lewis hamilton reminds me more and more of
jesus. a man who has sacrificed himself for f1‘s sins. a man who, although deeply wronged, has turned the other cheek. a man who would kiss max after the race, after being betrayed. a man crucified for his beliefs. a man belittled for wanting to change the world. a man lambasted for wanting to do more for those that need it most. a man who was pontius pilate’ed by michael masi.
jesus. a man who has sacrificed himself for f1‘s sins. a man who, although deeply wronged, has turned the other cheek. a man who would kiss max after the race, after being betrayed. a man crucified for his beliefs. a man belittled for wanting to change the world. a man lambasted for wanting to do more for those that need it most. a man who was pontius pilate’ed by michael masi.
You have to be taking the piss or this is a massive wind up.
So in essence you agree the shambolic ending to the race , where rules were broken was right.
I am gob smacked
Tens of thousands go to wrestling entertainment. I wouldn't mind it if they left us real F1 and call theirs WWF1.
There is a long queue.
He should have been ages ago to be honest, there's celebrating and then there's trying to wind people up on purpose. The guy is a Jerkch.
At some point you are going to be thread banned for wumming if you don't tone it down mate!
The problem is DRS was invented as a cover up for the awful dirty air that comes off the modern cars.
They made them faster with more downforce, but didn't realise that cars following will struggle a LOT and barely be able to get close. This massively effects the entrance/exit to corners. By the time the following car starts to catch up with a natural slipstream they'll never overtake.
They had to make DRS to make up for that and improve overtaking.
HOPEFULLY with the 2022 style cars, we might see cars follow each other much easier. Eventually we can get to a point where DRS is removed.
I'd quite like to see Indycar style 'push to pass' boosts where the driver can decide when to use their limited attack modes.
No I don't want that. But on the other hand I watched enough F1 that I know it isn't always fair. I understand where all the anger from Merc and Lewis's fans come from, but in the end of the day Merc decided to go with a strategy where they left Lewis on old tires in the final stages of the race where any crash would mean safety car going out.
I don't know what is not factual in the post you are replying on. You can go and listen to Alonso and Vettel radio, the verdict on Mercedes protest is also public and you can't deny that this F1 season is probably the most commercialy successful of all time. And we will see if Masi will be race director next season but I am confident that he will be.
At some point you are going to be thread banned for wumming if you don't tone it down mate!
Ah I see cheers for that.
Keep trying.
Regardless of whether you are Max or Lewis fan, and I don't care, the fact that you support Masi makes me weep.
You need to be watching a soap opera, not sport.
Haven't really gotten involved in debating this absolute mess of a situation until now, because everything that could be said about it has. Having thought about it for a few days, it's clear Masi made a poor decision under pressure of trying to deliver a blockbuster finish. Whether that was genuine external pressure or something he put on himself, I don't know. But he made a call that has no real basis in the rules in order to set up a dramatic finish. The problem with this, is that it clearly favored Max having the fresher tyres and totally wiped out any advantage Lewis had to defend. Lewis and Mercedes are right to be aggrieved. I don't see how Red Bull did anything wrong here, so I wouldn't say there's any ground to take away the championship from Max, unless the conspiracies about a deeper fix are true. However I doubt that.
Being honest, it was a great watch but it wasn't fair. I wanted Max to win, mainly as I'm sick of Mercedes dominance, but I would rather it not happened like that obviously. It'll always leave a cloud over Max's win even if more than just this race counts. Masi has to step away after this, whether he's pushed or not. There's just too much potential for question marks about his credibility after this the next time any incident comes up.
I could type out paragraphs more about his mess, but I'll leave it there. I've read pretty much all the new posts in this thread since the race Sunday and while there's been nonsense from all sides, everything that could be sensibly be said about this has been already.
Being honest, it was a great watch but it wasn't fair. I wanted Max to win, mainly as I'm sick of Mercedes dominance, but I would rather it not happened like that obviously. It'll always leave a cloud over Max's win even if more than just this race counts. Masi has to step away after this, whether he's pushed or not. There's just too much potential for question marks about his credibility after this the next time any incident comes up.
I could type out paragraphs more about his mess, but I'll leave it there. I've read pretty much all the new posts in this thread since the race Sunday and while there's been nonsense from all sides, everything that could be sensibly be said about this has been already.
But according to reply on Mercedes protest they weren't broken. Or did I read it wrong.You have to be taking the piss or this is a massive wind up.
So in essence you agree the shambolic ending to the race , where rules were broken was right.
I am gob smacked
And if Mercedes won't follow up on that it will be clear they are satisfied on that reply, otherwise they would take it further, right? And all the indications point into the direction that Mercedes won't take it any further.
Spot on , nothing I can say, will add anything to whats already been posted.
On to 2022 I say.
incorrect. i am the most sensible hear and i’ve always got more to say.
Precisely. People were saying that the punishment for brake testing should've been a lot higher and even a potential race DQ. They gave him a punishment that was effectively meaningless
hopefully masi will break his radio silence and give us an interview or at least an explanation as to how sunday was allowed to unfold and what special circumstances he felt were in play that made him feel like the only way to finish the season was to rip up the rule book. it’s the least we deserve. not sure why it’s taken this long but i’d imagine horner has been busy celebrating since sunday and masi hasn’t been able to get a hold of him yet to get a brief on what he should say.
Yeah figured you were focused on the last few laps!
I also take your broader point that Merc were well on course for a comfortable victory, but at the same time I'm just not sure they did as well as they could to mitigate risks. I know this isn't a track where punctures are a huge huge concern (despite what happened to Lando), but given how comfortable they were I just think they could have done a bit more relatively safely to give themselves more insurance for the unpredictable at the end.
Regardless it's definitely a bit of hindsight being 20/20 and/or hair-splitting.
You get certain posters who are clearly biased but come across with some potentially valid arguments which are thinly veiled in bias. Potentially the most frustrating type of poster in some ways to debate with.
Then you get the most transparently biased poster; which is fine to deal with because you know where they stand.
But then you get posters like Jerch, who are clearly biased, put forward arguments worse than those concocted by an infant which make no logical sense, and spend their time in a thread trying to wind people up. Whenever I see a post from Jerch I am both laughing and full of sorrow, because you have to wonder what’s gone wrong for the poor person to end up in this state.
What’s also funny are the posters who are still somehow biting and engaging in the debate. It’s like getting back with an ex who has cheated on you each time you’ve gone back, thinking they won’t this time.
Then you get the most transparently biased poster; which is fine to deal with because you know where they stand.
But then you get posters like Jerch, who are clearly biased, put forward arguments worse than those concocted by an infant which make no logical sense, and spend their time in a thread trying to wind people up. Whenever I see a post from Jerch I am both laughing and full of sorrow, because you have to wonder what’s gone wrong for the poor person to end up in this state.
What’s also funny are the posters who are still somehow biting and engaging in the debate. It’s like getting back with an ex who has cheated on you each time you’ve gone back, thinking they won’t this time.
The state of some of your posts on this thread
You're truly entertaining I'll give you that.Seen a few mention making the championship a tie between Lewis and Max, personally I wouldn't be opposed to that, even though the chances of this happening is next to none. What would everyone's thoughts be on that?
They put him in a position in which it was impossible to do the best job possible.
2 team directors having direct line to him with all the fans listening which all involved are fully aware of is just a working environment race director should have had.
Regardless if Masi stays or leaves they should cancel FIA radio for next year and implement one way line only from race director to the team.
The state of some of your posts on this thread
Seen a few mention making the championship a tie between Lewis and Max, personally I wouldn't be opposed to that, even though the chances of this happening is next to none. What would everyone's thoughts be on that?
i’m of the opinion that it would be shit and doesn’t matter now. it’s the same reason i can’t watch a recorded event. for me, with sport it’s live or there’s no point. if lewis is to get 8 titles he should be able to live in the moment and celebrate it, not get it awarded to him by a naked and sorrowful masi around the back of an oddbins.
Ive seen quite a few people happy with the final lap ‘race’ where max showed he was better driver.
Comes a point where you just have to accept it for the entertainment show that it is
It's funny. I've been trying to forget this for days but there's something so fundamentally wrong about this that I can't. It's wierd.
It has actually bothered me more than say Nani's red card vs Madrid, or Scholesy disallowed goal vs Porto in the CL for example. I forgot about those within a day.
And I'm definitely a more passionate United supporter than either Lewis or Max.
It creeps under the skin.
Your point is completely and utterly irrelevant in the context of the official's decision making in the final race.
Otherwise what was the point of even having the final race, Max already had most podiums etc etc, so he deserved to win, even if he lost..?!?
Basically your saying if a team were brilliant in every round of the FA Cup, then even if they were outclassed in the Final, they should still be awarded the Cup because they were the best over the whole competition and scored the most goals, except in the final, where they lost....?!?!
What absolute nonsense. I'll have some of whatever you're smoking for Christmas please...!!
That analogy doesn't really work since F1 is not a like cup competition, it's a league. This last race was the equivalent of the top 2 teams facing each other in the last game of the season with one of them ahead on goal difference, so while it "felt" like a final it still wasn't any more decisive in regards to who won the title than any other race.
It’s because it’s unjust sport. Can live with a bad decision or rotten luck. This however is fundamentally wrong.
And I was specifically talking about biting at Jerch’s posts - he has demonstrated throughout this thread that unfortunately he is not up to sensible debate.
Your point is completely and utterly irrelevant in the context of the official's decision making in the final race.
Otherwise what was the point of even having the final race, Max already had most podiums etc etc, so he deserved to win, even if he lost..?!?
Basically your saying if a team were brilliant in every round of the FA Cup, then even if they were outclassed in the Final, they should still be awarded the Cup because they were the best over the whole competition and scored the most goals, except in the final, where they lost....?!?!
What absolute nonsense. I'll have some of whatever you're smoking for Christmas please...!!
Your are incorrect. All race are worth the same points. So a contentious decision in the first race is the same as one in the last in the grand scheme of things.
F1 is a league and not a cup competition. Every weekend is worth as much as the last. (Well kind of as now we have sprint races which changes that a bit)
FIA made plenty of mistakes all year which also have influenced the result and how we got here!
Max got very lucky in the last race. He also got very unlucky in other costing him a hell of a lot of points.
Lewis was lucky to not have a reprimand getting him a 10 pace grid drop. See how all the decisions matter. You cant just focus on the final decision and say that's what decided it all as every decision effected the points tally.
This guy gets it. It was a contentious decision. Even a bad one. But there was plenty of other of those decisions in other races
Some of which gained Lewis points and some which didn't. All races are worth the same. Can't compare it to a final in a football match.
Really get the impression Lewis is weighing up remaining in the sport. He was incredibly classy Sunday after the race but its rare for him to be silent for this long. Especially after a race weekend. Can imagine the way the race played out has made him question whether it's worth continuing as it certainly felt like the fia chose max on the last lap. His comment in the post race interview suggest he is thinking about it too depending on how you interpret it.
Really shows the influence of Silverstone and Hungary on the season. An entire lead destroyed by two Mercedes mistakes in two weeks.
But that's F1. Shit happens.
You can argue either side basically.
A: Max was brilliant all season long so even if he was gifted the win on Sunday, he deserves it if you look at the entire season
B: Max was brilliant all season but was in a losing position on Sunday and wouldn't have won without Masi's (ridiculous) decision, so he was gifted the title and doesn't deserve it
Both fair views imo depending on how you look at things. I sense I have a hard time writing or saying that Max is a deserved champion because of the way things went down, but I also can't deny he doesn't deserve to be champion after the season he's had. It's just that, if not for it being "gifted" to him in the final lap of the season, he wouldn't have won it, simple as. You can say "every race counts equal" and that's true, but when it came down to the decider he was going to lose until the FIA decided otherwise.
My apologies, I didn't mean not to offend anyone.
Ashamed would be a great description of winning a WC in this manner.
Because it was never intended to.
Maybe. But I for one won't be taking any notice of whatever he chooses to say.
He is full of bullsh1t and talks rubbish.
The damage is done. And he needs to comprehend that.
I do, I gave up on it being a sport a long time ago.
This is short term gain for no long term benefits only more harm. The people who found this interesting thanks the the 10-sec penalty, then the hype, then the finish will be bored to tears after 10-mins of the build up in the very first race of next season, let alone when they realise it's not actually sports entertainment but a boring procession.
The way to make F1 interesting ever again is wheel to wheel racing. But with actual proper racing and entertainment, not scripted finales like this. Wrestling is fun and all, but at least people know that's just an athletic Eastenders. F1 still pretends to be a sport, and as such it's held to a higher standard of fairness. Sure the money disparity is a thing and sure it's corrupt as feck, but on the track should be talent vs talent and set rules.
Max fans might rejoice right now, but if he's even ever close to the domination of Lewis, wait until he gets fecked over to suit the newcomer and see just how much they think it's fair
You clearly no F*** all about driving then.
I read that as he's saying those people think Max was the better driver, not necessarily himself.