On this I have no evidence but I suspect a lot of Qanon believers are pretty financially well off too. These political hobbies take up a lot of time and they are going around paying money to attend events together. How do people have the time to spend all day on twitter or facebook if they were destitute? I was in a bad state before and among the luxury items I sacrificed was actually to cut down on internet broadband until I could afford to. It was not a necessity and I was working long hours anyway so by the time I got home there was no use for it.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I suspect some underground funding from certain elements may be assisting such efforts.
No doubt about the funding assisting. But these people clearly have nothing going on in their lives if they can spend all day every day online devoted to a deranged fantasy.
The JFK Jr rally for instance - grown men and women really made a journey in the belief a deceased son of a long deceased president was coming back to restore Trump to the presidency. It never occured to any of them to question the lunacy of such an idea or the time wasted that could go to something productive. Don't they have real hobbies? Real friends?
The JFK Jr rally for instance - grown men and women really made a journey in the belief a deceased son of a long deceased president was coming back to restore Trump to the presidency. It never occured to any of them to question the lunacy of such an idea or the time wasted that could go to something productive. Don't they have real hobbies? Real friends?
Generally you don't need to fund people to act like fecking morons, they'll happily pay their own way.
But someone has to pay for them to go to the place where you want them to be morons.
Probably a mix of both. The rabid Trump fan is a lot more wealthier than people think. Just because they are classless doesn't make them lower class. I remember seeing the pictures of boat parades draped in tributes to Trump. You have to be quite rich to own a boat. They're the ones who have the time and money to afford these extreme obsessions.
That's marge level of dumb.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/t...wouldnt-have-certified-2020-election-results/
Can there be any doubt now? There will be no legitimate election in 2024. They are going to throw out Democrat wins and bring down the entire process.
Even with all their election laws, if the Dems actually retain Georgia etc they will do anything and everything to invalidate the result.
You're in so much trouble and the Dems just think things are normal. They are running on a platform of purposely trying to invalidate democratic wins.....THAT is their electoral message.
Can there be any doubt now? There will be no legitimate election in 2024. They are going to throw out Democrat wins and bring down the entire process.
Even with all their election laws, if the Dems actually retain Georgia etc they will do anything and everything to invalidate the result.
You're in so much trouble and the Dems just think things are normal. They are running on a platform of purposely trying to invalidate democratic wins.....THAT is their electoral message.
I dont think there will be legitimate election in 22, and in 24 there might not even be a complete election.
Morons aren't always poor. Televangelists know this very well.
Tasty.
Not 1/6 related, but hopefully more sentences like this will be given out to fascists…
Weird…
Entire coup PowerPoint…
That’s mad. I mean really mad. How they’re not up in front of a judge on treason charges I’ve no idea.
Reminder, they went to all this effort to end democracy....because people voted. Their entire insane asylum / fever dream movement is based off nothing more than "hey that's not fair..you counted all the votes and we lost".
All their graphs and conspiracies are based off.....actually counting the votes.
True authoritarians through and through.
He’s a piece of shit. Can’t wait until he gets his slap on the wrist.
Treason in the US is a very specific charge that is pertinent only during war, but I am sure there plenty more insurrection charges that can be thrown at him.
I listened to a podcast recently that basically said something along the lines of the greatest threat to democracy is a bored (white) middle class.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/14/media/january-6-fox-news-reliable-sources/index.html
Fox stays silent about new texts that expose Hannity and Ingraham's Jan. 6 hypocrisy
Fox News did not bother to air Monday night's meeting of the House committee investigating the 1/6 attack. Neither did Newsmax or One America News. So right-wing TV audiences did not hear when Rep. Liz Cheney revealed that some of Fox's biggest stars pressed Mark Meadows for help during the siege of the Capitol.
"Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home," Laura Ingraham texted Meadows. "This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy."
She knew. They all knew. They all knew the truth right away. But by the night of 1/6, Ingraham was spouting conspiracy theories about "ANTIFA" and excusing the peaceful "patriots" who, let's be clear, paraded into DC based on a lie she pushed over and over again. Fox's pro-Trump programming was partly to blame for the Big Lie, so when that lie led to violence, of course some of the hosts panicked and tried to put out the fire.
On Monday, Cheney read two other texts from Fox stars to Meadows from 1/6. One was from Brian Kilmeade: "Please, get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished." The other was from Sean Hannity: "Can he make a statement, ask people to leave the Capitol?" Cheney didn't specify what time those texts were sent. But I was struck by Hannity's casual tone about the unfolding terror. At least Kilmeade said "please, get him on TV."
The 1/6 committee has thousands of other texts and emails. Cheney shared just a tiny sampling on Monday. But the tiny sampling is deeply embarrassing for Fox and the Murdochs. As Maggie Haberman said, this "undercuts efforts by everyone whose name she read who might say Jan. 6 wasn't that bad." It "wasn't that bad" has been one of Fox's dominant themes this year. This banner on "Don Lemon Tonight" captured it perfectly: "Fox hosts and Donald Trump Jr. knew exactly what was happening and now they pretend it didn't happen."
"These texts prove something essential"
"These texts prove something essential," Amanda Carpenter wrote for The Bulwark. "No matter what they say now, Trump's loyalists knew at the time that what was happening at the Capitol was not a peaceful protest. They knew that it was a dangerous attack on American democracy. And they knew that Trump was responsible for it. That's why they sent the texts pleading with him, through his staff, to make it stop."
Or as SE Cupp put it on CNN just now, "Fox News viewers, you have been had."
Yes -- but here's what the Fox hosts will likely say if they're ever challenged about this. They'll say they condemned the riot at the time. And they all did, if only briefly. But Hannity and Ingraham also continued to lie about the election and strongly suggest that leftists were to blame for the Capitol chaos. And many Fox hosts have bashed other media outlets for continuing to report on the prosecutions and the probes -- in other words, for continuing to care about the terror. The memory-holing effort has been so extensive precisely because figures like Ingraham knew how bad it was. When she wrote "this is hurting all of us," I'm certain she wasn't thinking about America or the rule of law. She was thinking about "us" in the Trump-controlled Republican party. But she was right: This is hurting all of us.
Total silence from Fox
It's crucial to note that Fox didn't air the 7pm ET hearing live or address the revelations about the texts later in the day. "Fox viewers are being shielded from the Fox hosts' urgent texts to Meadows," MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell commented.
Hannity actually gabbed with Meadows during the 9pm hour but "did not mention the texts at all," as The Daily Beast's Justin Baragona noted here. (Hannity hit back at Cheney, however, by saying "I love how Liz is now partnered with the people that called her father a war criminal, a murderer, and a crook. Pretty amazing!")
During the chat, Meadows acknowledged that he is about to be held in criminal contempt. But here's how Hannity opened the hour: "The hyperpartisan predetermined-outcome anti-Trump January 6 committee just voted 9 to 0 to hold Mark Meadows in contempt for refusing to comply with their orders." With that framing, why would any Fox viewer take any committee action seriously? Further, Hannity focused on Capitol security failures; blamed Democrats for those failures; and brought up the rioting in the wake of George Floyd's death. This is Fox's tried-and-true approach whenever faced with the awfulness of 1/6: Dodge or distort or deflect.
A Fox spokesperson did not respond to my request for comment about the texts on Monday night.
Fox stays silent about new texts that expose Hannity and Ingraham's Jan. 6 hypocrisy
Fox News did not bother to air Monday night's meeting of the House committee investigating the 1/6 attack. Neither did Newsmax or One America News. So right-wing TV audiences did not hear when Rep. Liz Cheney revealed that some of Fox's biggest stars pressed Mark Meadows for help during the siege of the Capitol.
"Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home," Laura Ingraham texted Meadows. "This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy."
She knew. They all knew. They all knew the truth right away. But by the night of 1/6, Ingraham was spouting conspiracy theories about "ANTIFA" and excusing the peaceful "patriots" who, let's be clear, paraded into DC based on a lie she pushed over and over again. Fox's pro-Trump programming was partly to blame for the Big Lie, so when that lie led to violence, of course some of the hosts panicked and tried to put out the fire.
On Monday, Cheney read two other texts from Fox stars to Meadows from 1/6. One was from Brian Kilmeade: "Please, get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished." The other was from Sean Hannity: "Can he make a statement, ask people to leave the Capitol?" Cheney didn't specify what time those texts were sent. But I was struck by Hannity's casual tone about the unfolding terror. At least Kilmeade said "please, get him on TV."
The 1/6 committee has thousands of other texts and emails. Cheney shared just a tiny sampling on Monday. But the tiny sampling is deeply embarrassing for Fox and the Murdochs. As Maggie Haberman said, this "undercuts efforts by everyone whose name she read who might say Jan. 6 wasn't that bad." It "wasn't that bad" has been one of Fox's dominant themes this year. This banner on "Don Lemon Tonight" captured it perfectly: "Fox hosts and Donald Trump Jr. knew exactly what was happening and now they pretend it didn't happen."
"These texts prove something essential"
"These texts prove something essential," Amanda Carpenter wrote for The Bulwark. "No matter what they say now, Trump's loyalists knew at the time that what was happening at the Capitol was not a peaceful protest. They knew that it was a dangerous attack on American democracy. And they knew that Trump was responsible for it. That's why they sent the texts pleading with him, through his staff, to make it stop."
Or as SE Cupp put it on CNN just now, "Fox News viewers, you have been had."
Yes -- but here's what the Fox hosts will likely say if they're ever challenged about this. They'll say they condemned the riot at the time. And they all did, if only briefly. But Hannity and Ingraham also continued to lie about the election and strongly suggest that leftists were to blame for the Capitol chaos. And many Fox hosts have bashed other media outlets for continuing to report on the prosecutions and the probes -- in other words, for continuing to care about the terror. The memory-holing effort has been so extensive precisely because figures like Ingraham knew how bad it was. When she wrote "this is hurting all of us," I'm certain she wasn't thinking about America or the rule of law. She was thinking about "us" in the Trump-controlled Republican party. But she was right: This is hurting all of us.
Total silence from Fox
It's crucial to note that Fox didn't air the 7pm ET hearing live or address the revelations about the texts later in the day. "Fox viewers are being shielded from the Fox hosts' urgent texts to Meadows," MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell commented.
Hannity actually gabbed with Meadows during the 9pm hour but "did not mention the texts at all," as The Daily Beast's Justin Baragona noted here. (Hannity hit back at Cheney, however, by saying "I love how Liz is now partnered with the people that called her father a war criminal, a murderer, and a crook. Pretty amazing!")
During the chat, Meadows acknowledged that he is about to be held in criminal contempt. But here's how Hannity opened the hour: "The hyperpartisan predetermined-outcome anti-Trump January 6 committee just voted 9 to 0 to hold Mark Meadows in contempt for refusing to comply with their orders." With that framing, why would any Fox viewer take any committee action seriously? Further, Hannity focused on Capitol security failures; blamed Democrats for those failures; and brought up the rioting in the wake of George Floyd's death. This is Fox's tried-and-true approach whenever faced with the awfulness of 1/6: Dodge or distort or deflect.
A Fox spokesperson did not respond to my request for comment about the texts on Monday night.
They should stop digging, the more they did the more they look like an idiot for not being able to do anything against trump
Interesting take as usual.
Yea, the Fox News hosts do keep digging their own hole, don't they?
At this rate, even if they finally got their "You're goddamn right I ordered the Code Red" moment, he'd still walk away.
Trump has too much political capital to be indicted and thrown to jail. If he managed to pull this in live TV half of American would literally took arms to safe him from Jail.
The thing is you can't convince a decent chunk of the population. Treat it like religion, or more accurately, a cult - which is what it is. You can't rationalise to them. Fine.
But to win elections you only need to sway less than 5% of 'fence sitters'. That in my mind is the point of all this. The media (and us) are far more focussed on the peripheries of both parties, but the vast majority of Americans are actually centrist.
And if even if the politics of this still didn't work, it's still one of the most important, insidious events in American democracy and deserves investigation.
But to win elections you only need to sway less than 5% of 'fence sitters'. That in my mind is the point of all this. The media (and us) are far more focussed on the peripheries of both parties, but the vast majority of Americans are actually centrist.
And if even if the politics of this still didn't work, it's still one of the most important, insidious events in American democracy and deserves investigation.
I just don't know how much of a centrist you can be when you vote for Trump.
This seems like the pragmatic, sober approach, but the problem is we live in a world where the sitting US President essentially attempted a coup when he lost the election, and it's still his party. If anyone other than him runs in 2024, it'll just be because they're Trumpian without Trump's baggage. Add on top of that the shaky popularity of Biden, and it gets scary. I'm not even American, and I don't live in the US, but I was still glued to the screen watching Jan 6th in foreboding disbelief.
Video interview inside link. Was an interesting segment I caught this morning before departing the residence.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...r-study-barbara-walter-intvu-intl-ovn-vpx.cnn
How close is the US to civil war? Closer than you think, study says
CNN's Michael Holmes talks with Professor Barbara Walter of the University of California San Diego about her work on a task force that tries to predict where outside the US a civil war is likely to break out. Walter says the two best predictors of whether violence is likely to occur currently exist in the US and have emerged at a "surprisingly fast rate."
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...r-study-barbara-walter-intvu-intl-ovn-vpx.cnn
How close is the US to civil war? Closer than you think, study says
CNN's Michael Holmes talks with Professor Barbara Walter of the University of California San Diego about her work on a task force that tries to predict where outside the US a civil war is likely to break out. Walter says the two best predictors of whether violence is likely to occur currently exist in the US and have emerged at a "surprisingly fast rate."
Anyone interested in what's coming up in 2022 and 2024 should read this article
TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN
January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.
TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN
January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/21/...term-candidates-2020-election-lies/index.html
Republican candidates across the country refuse to acknowledge Biden won legitimately
One of the worrisome parts I stumbled on within this article is that apparently in America a person that directly placed himself as part of the actual insurrection attempt can run for political office. It is true many inside the political apparatus helped push the insurrection boiling point but none took part during the storming of Capitol, that I know of. Yet this clown, Joey Gilbert, was present but claims he did not go inside. Every one of these fecks should have been made an example of through a public execution. A "we will not tolerate you attempting to overthrow the government" warning to future nutjobs.
Republican candidates across the country refuse to acknowledge Biden won legitimately
One of the worrisome parts I stumbled on within this article is that apparently in America a person that directly placed himself as part of the actual insurrection attempt can run for political office. It is true many inside the political apparatus helped push the insurrection boiling point but none took part during the storming of Capitol, that I know of. Yet this clown, Joey Gilbert, was present but claims he did not go inside. Every one of these fecks should have been made an example of through a public execution. A "we will not tolerate you attempting to overthrow the government" warning to future nutjobs.
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