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F1 2021 Season
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I did yes, and I agree with all of your previous post about it being for short term gains.
That's obviously a complete red herring. It was perfectly possible to finish under a green flag within the regulations as they're written. Just don't let the lapped cars unlap - and that's it.
I don't know whats worse. This thread or the 'Covid Outbreak at Man Utd' thread.
Awful.
Awful.
So this Massi guy changed his mind on the un lapped cars, but only the ones that gave RB driver a chance to catch Hamilton, after being shouted at by the Red Bull owner? Hamilton led the race by 11 seconds at that point, Max without the dodgy decisions by the FIA, wouldnt have caught him. Red Bull look are dodgy.
Looks like they just dont want Hamilton to beat Schumacher's title count.
Looks like they just dont want Hamilton to beat Schumacher's title count.
Any bad decision in officiating any sport is a bad decision because it goes against the rules, or is a contentious interpretation of the rules. That's the only basis for it being a bad decision. So in essence it's no different to a football team winning a league title because of an offside goal in the final game.
All the teams in the Prem accept that the buck ultimately stops with the FA when it comes to refereeing decisions, and I'd bet they have to sign legal agreements to not take gripes with refereeing decisions to outside bodies. And the FIA probably make F1 teams do the same.
Then maybe you should slow down and actually read the posts
You seem to be having an arguement with yourself here.
I haven't seen anybody saying Max isn't a worthy winner over the season. Whoever won out of Hamilton and Verstappen both deserved it.
The fact is though Hamilton was cruising to victory and Red Bull had given up. The safety car happened and then the FIA massively ballsed it up.
If you can't understand why people are annoyed at the FIA, there's not much help for you. I think most sensible people realise that if the rules were followed then Hamilton is a x8 champion.
I think they actually have a case for it being an actual breach of the rules, or spirit of the rules, and not just a misinterpretation. Of course the FIA won't admit that publicly, but things are definitely being discussed behind the scenes with Mercedes going radio silent for nearly 48 hours now.
It doesn't look like Mercedes will try to strip Max of the title, but maybe they are searching for other concessions from the FIA (Masi removed? Possibly Lewis joint champion? I don't know.)
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So true. And I’ve got no explanation of why people are even trying to engage in debate with them. Especially people who come out with “there’s been good and bad decisions all season, some for and against Lewis and Max”. Shows a fundamental lack of understanding of a basic difference between an opinion on a judgement call vs an action which is outside the laws of the sport and unsporting in nature (in particular for someone like Sainz).
Leave him man. If anything, let’s all learn that Masi needs removing, and that certain posters are not worthy of your time.
What? I don't think you'll find anyone in this thread who seriously doesn't think Verstappen deserved to win it. Most people think both Verstappen and Hamilton were worthy champions including pundits and fellow drivers. It's the manner in which he won that has everybody angry. He deserved a better conclusion.
Agreed. there's 2/3 wind ups in here that are just trying to cause trouble.
Big changes are definitely needed going into the new season, Masi out and the rulebook needs tweaking IMO.
This might be the worst thread on the caf. So many WUMs. Here's hoping the 2022 thread will be better.
Exactly, gave Max a shot at going past Hamilton but gave sainz feck all chance of going past max. Sainzs team should be lodging complaints for that alone.
Even if he actually tried to engineer the scenario with both drivers level points heading into the final race, he overplayed his hand with his shenanigans on the SC and the final lap. That has brought the entire sport in disrepute and now most people I talk to, casuals or not, say it was kind of exciting but it was more akin to watching wrestling with the preferred winner or outcome pre-determined beforehand.
It wont be overturned. It's not Max's fault that the FIA are incompetent.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59643988
It seems that Mercedes have the support of the paddock to push through changes. If they actually take it to CAS some of the support may disappear. I think that the F! teams would rather wash their dirty linen behind closed doors. If Mercedes agree to that they will probably get the support to push through changes.
Max and Lewis have pulled away from everyone in restarts this year. Sainz should've been behind Max, but do you really think he would've been in the mix? Max was on fresh softs. No way in hell Sainz would've split them. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
No, the new tyres probably gave him a couple of seconds a lap.
And we’ve also seen from a restart while the two at the front are battling a third (ocon) has sneaked past. Max didn’t even have to care about defending anywhere it was pure focus on what’s in front. It was pathetic.
More than that I think... Fresh softs vs fresh hards - average delta is about 2-3 seconds
Fresh softs vs old hards? Delta's got to be at least 7-8 secs
Decisions by the race director shouldn’t be based on these factors though and neither should it be based on what was on the line . There is no chance in hell Masi makes this decision in one of the first 15-20 races
Red Bull had the better car up until Brazil then Mercedes changed something that gave them an advantage.
This might be the worst thread on the caf. So many WUMs. Here's hoping the 2022 thread will be better.
Nah F1 threads since the early days have always been like this. Just the last 6 years (outside of the mini Seb in a Ferrari vs Lewis battle) has been so one sided nothing much went on in these threads. 2022 will be the just as bad this 2021 thread.
It really was a triple whammy: new tyres, two grades softer and back markers as rear gunners. Pathetic is the right word.
Fair. Still he had no chance of staying in front of Max. Masi just handed the title to Max because, 'it's called racing'.
Its not all been bad, there has been some good in it.This might be the worst thread on the caf. So many WUMs. Here's hoping the 2022 thread will be better.
Lewis was just...unbelievable. I would have barged into the steward's room and gave Masi a chair shot to the head.
But, as Max said, having 7 titles helps you put things in perspective.
It's actually got better since Santi was banned.
Completely agree mate. Which is why, even if Masi fudged it for TV, it was just shit TV. Can't believe he couldn't see that.
He's messed up all season. The sport is definitely poorer for the passing of Charlie Whiting. We lost a great man who understood both the spirit and letter of the laws of the sport and ended up with Masi.
RiP Charlie racing fans miss you immensely.
No, Red Bull had a significantly better car at Bahrain, Monaco, Baku, Austria and Mexico.
Everywhere else was either even or a Merc advantage. And then a significant Merc pace advantage in the last 4 races. That car became a monster on medium and hard tyres at high fuel loads.
Another really dodgy thing. Again opening a can of worms here... Why was Perez suddenly retired for no reason when he was ahead of Bottas in the last few laps under safety car?
Red Bull willingly gave up the Constructor's to Mercedes by doing that.
Red Bull willingly gave up the Constructor's to Mercedes by doing that.
I think Mercedes are just stalling to make it seem more serious or they're negotiating a favor from FIA behind the scenes.
Can't see them going through with the appeal.
Can't see them going through with the appeal.
Mercedes won the constructors by 28 points even if Red bull had been awarded 24 for equal first for both Max and Checo they still wouldn't have won the constructors.
But Checo was ahead of Bottas no? So Botta's would have got less if Checo stayed in third?
Well that is wrong. Spar, French GP, Zandvoort and Austin, RB was fastest in most practices, was on pole and won during all 4 weekends.
What tyres was sainz on at this point? I don't remember. Max could have done Lewis and sainz done Lewis too.
The point is they gave Max an opportunity they didn't give to other drivers. It's absolutely shambolic tbh.
If sainz was pressuring max in any way it could have forced an error, or just not have Max as easy a run to Hamilton.
I understand it's unlikely.
But the difference would not have been enough to make up 28 points. If Checo got 15 points for second and Valtteri had got 6 instead of 8 that would of been a turn around of 17 points not 28.