Maybe that’s one of the reasons Mercedes dropped their claim - he’s agreed to hand in his resignation
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It would have been a race if the SC stayed out. The person who done the racedistance fastest would have one. One artificial lap at the end is not a race. It's a fix.
Only LH fans would be happy with that. I wonder what you would've said if the roles were reversed.
I can only laugh at people so gullible, or biased I guess, to believe this had anything to do with Lewis wanting it dropped or lack of a case
It's a pretty frame is all.
Anyway, now what some of us have been saying since the moment the race ended has finally been confirmed, time to move on.
It really isn't time to move on though, the worst possible outcome is to let this blow over so Masi can make up rules to tell his own story again.
F1 has suffered badly for this, as the situation has disillusioned a lot of people. Max fans and Hamilton haters may be enjoying the result, but even they know this sets a terrible precedent, and next time Max might be the one who gets robbed. It's gotta be nipped in the bud now.
This aversion to ending a race/season under the safety car is bizarre. The 2012 Brazilian GP was the title decider and ended behind the safety car thanks to Di Resta being shit and that's remembered as a classic. If there is time to get back to green flag racing, great, if not then just end under the safety car, don't muck about with red flags or rule changes mid-race.
I might be wrong, but I think most F1 fans would disagree and here's why. We want, in general, the best performing driver/car package in a race to win. SC's have the tendency to mess that up by allowing chasing cars free pit stops and to react based on what the leader does. This is racing, it happens all the time and we accept that. The difference is if this happens half way through a race there's time to react to it. If this happens with a few laps to go it can literally decide the race. So to say "a race should never end under a SC" has the superficial feeling of being fair, but its actually not because it would increase the situations where someone that has no chance of winning suddenly becomes favourites. i.e. it increases the chances of the 'deserved winner' losing.
The way Hamilton has conducted himself throughout this whole thing has been sheer class. Fair play to him.
This crash and amount of laps remaining did not warrant a finish under SC. 8(?) laps of SC in the title decider would be a joke.
I meant for our own sanity.
You nor I can change anything, from the moment the race ended the FIA were making sure Mercedes take this no further.
Should it be dropped? No. Is it actually for the benefit of F1 it is? Of course not.
But dropped it has been. Sad, but very true.
See, the problem you are bringing the situation into this again and not looking at it objectively. It doesn't matter if it's the last race or the first race.
The moment you choose when and where to apply certain rules, then we are here today in this situation.
The crash was at the end of lap 53 of 58, 5 laps behind the safety car is fairly normal.
Absolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
I'm speaking in general. They need to have a look at the rules so this doesn't happen again in a race or title deciding race. I'm just spitballing and don't know the solution, but there must be a better solution for situations like last race.
Absolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
Like I said mistakes were made and this time Max was lucky. FIA should find a solution for these kinds of situations.
Dude, there is just no way you can force an accident not to happen in the last few laps of a race so that races never finish under the safety car. We could red flag and restart for every accident and remove the idea of a SC altogether, but that's another debate.
Following the existing rules would have been fine. They've been fine for years and 100s of races. You have this unwarranted obsession about SC finishes and I suspect its only a new obsession and 5 days ago you wouldn't have cared. Its pretty transparent.
Yep, I'm amazed at how well he handled it. Pretty certain if I got robbed like that, I'd have been busy going for a walk down the pit lane to find Masi like Schumacher looking for Coulthard at Spa.
Can't wait for all the posts next year about hoe "whiny" he is though.
That's exactly the debate I'm trying to have. Another solution, but I don't know. I understand now that in certain situations it would make sense to end a race under SC. I just think with the amount of laps left last race, there had to be a better option than a parade for 8 laps. But its not only about last race I'm also talking about the future.
Bingo.
I bet you thought that Spa was fine though.
Yes, you could have red flag and restart. And it would have been not perfect, but a much better option that what I saw on Sunday.
But, think purely on TV and adrenaline, even with all the back markers unlapped, I would have put money on Max taking them all within a quarter of a lap with his super shiny new softs and pressuring Lewis into the final few corners. It could have even gone down to the last corner and I would have put money on Max to do the job. I would have clapped Max off the freaking podium. Even as a race fixer, Masi is shit.
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Hahaha wtf? Sad that you think this. Spa was the biggest farce I've seen in f1.
And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would careAbsolutely zero chance you say that if the situation happened the other way around.
That's why people know you're full of shit. You either stick to the rules and do it properly (end under safety car) or red flag the race and give them both a fair fighting chance.
Instead, what they did just gifted an easy win to max. Clearly Max fans don't care how it happened - but the other 90% of F1 fans do.
I could only imagine the meltdown if the FIA assisted Lewis into winning his 8th title this way instead
you'd be like haha, Max got what he deserved.And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
I like this re-writing of history whereby somehow finishing under the SC would've been unfair on Max.
Had Latifi not crashed, Hamilton would've won by 10+ seconds. He was about 10s clear anyway with Max barely closing the gap and Max had 5 cars to lap. It's absolutely insane.
I'm still baffled by Max's fans needing some kind of acceptance that he was the best. Statistically, maybe he was, but Sunday was the title decider, so frankly, any other race became irrelevant. And Sunday's finish was a farce that shouldn't have decided the WC.
Had Latifi not crashed, Hamilton would've won by 10+ seconds. He was about 10s clear anyway with Max barely closing the gap and Max had 5 cars to lap. It's absolutely insane.
I'm still baffled by Max's fans needing some kind of acceptance that he was the best. Statistically, maybe he was, but Sunday was the title decider, so frankly, any other race became irrelevant. And Sunday's finish was a farce that shouldn't have decided the WC.
And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
Lewis received a penalty for that?
What more do you want?
Those were either racing incidents or were met with penalties - you can argue about the penalties sure but that's within their decision-making process and not something illegal. Referring to Silverstone, Baku, Hungary or whatever is just trying to justify what happened in Abu Dhabi while there is no way to justify how it went down.And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
Exactly
As for those calling for Masi's head: I'm inclined to agree but are we sure that his successor would be bette than him? I thought Masi was being guided by Whiting, so not sure there's currently anyone in a better position to be race director. Unless we're going with a core team which assumes that role in the future.
Not true, Silverstone was covered in this thread. He was deemed predominately at fault, but as this following video shows, Max would've done the same to Hamilton 5 times had he not been conservative.And you'd be the same if it were the other way around tbh. Like Lewis fans would care
And the FIA did already try to assist Lewis many times including the beginning of the race to make it more exciting. As expected, incidents like Silverstone are never mentioned by Lewis fans.
As a Hamilton fan, I'd obviously be happy for him if he did win the way Max won, but would still admit Max was cheated because that's just fact. Everyone knows Max was gifted the win, as everyone would know the same if the scenario was vice versa.
10 second penalty for almost kiling Max. He made that up in like four lapsLewis received a penalty for that?
What more do you want?
I agree, they shouldn't be compared or used to justify separate incidents. I was just pointing out how its never mentioned because those decisions went the way of Hamilton.
Remind me of the penatly Max got for driving over Lewis' head?10 second penalty for almost kiling Max. He made that up in like four laps
I agree, they shouldn't be compared or used to justify separate incidents. I was just pointing out how its never mentioned because those decisions went the way of Hamilton.
And as @RobinLFC said it's beside the point, there were no rules invented or ignored for those penalties/incidents.
And as hellhunter said, Max would've killed Lewis had the Halo not been there.10 second penalty for almost kiling Max. He made that up in like four laps
I agree, they shouldn't be compared or used to justify separate incidents. I was just pointing out how its never mentioned because those decisions went the way of Hamilton.
Also, Max only got a 10sec penalty for brake checking. Come on man, very bias.
It shouldn't be imo, they were decisions within the legal framework. I bet Lewis fans would find the defeat much easier to digest if he had lost to a penalty, because that's within the discretionary power of the stewards. You can argue about it, even disagree with it, but no rules were violated if that should've happened.10 second penalty for almost kiling Max. He made that up in like four laps
I agree, they shouldn't be compared or used to justify separate incidents. I was just pointing out how its never mentioned because those decisions went the way of Hamilton.
Now it is 100% clear that the rulebook was not followed and the race director just made something up he thought appropriate for the last lap of the title decider. And that's what makes it different, and, imo, farcical and hard to digest (and I'm not even a Lewis fan).
Lock this thread, everything that could've been said has been done 3 times over.
It'll just spill over to the 2022 thread. People aren't done talking about it and to be fair, it's only been a couple of days.
It's nothing to do with luck. The result was manipulated in the final race, in a unprecedented way, to decide a championship.
If by rest of the world you mean the Netherlands yes, otherwise no.
Real fans of racing would not want a manipulated end with 5 cars being moved out the way for P2, so P2 on fresh tyres can attack P1 on 40 lap old tyres.
This would apply in any motor racing from karting upwards it would be a manipulation, not racing.
You need to step back for a minute and look at this differently. Imagine it was 2 drivers and teams you had no feelings for, not LH or MV. As a racing fan would you want that to happen and be allowed to happen every season?