SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I found this an interesting interview. A virologist says that the studies he's done suggest that Omicron replicates 70x quicker than the original virus and is also quicker than Delta in the wind pipe and is therefore highly transmissible.

The replication in the lungs is lower than both Delta and the original virus, which he says would normally suggest a less severe illness than those two. There are a couple of caveats, but it is interesting to hear it clearly explained by a virologist why it could be more transmissible, but less severe and how that works in the body.

Science in Action - Why Omicron replicates faster - BBC Sounds
 
lynchie said:
Same. Although I worry how much is influenced by "No way am I taking an LFT on the 16th December"
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Probably quite a bit. My coughing mother in law had to be virtually dragged to the test centre, on threat of not seeing her pregnant daughter over Christmas. It was negative thankfully.
 
MDFC Manager said:
No mRNA vaccines either.

I have a feeling that omicron is already spreading fast here.
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kps88 said:
As someone in a country with no boosters or anti viral pills in sight, that made me feel like shit.
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I think you can be reassured by data from South Africa about less severe illnesses/hospitals not overwhelmed etc. You’re in the same boat as them in having low vaccine rates (and zero boosters) but basically everyone caught delta and you have a young population. Plus weather is good with you right now, right?

Fewer worrying uncertainties for you compared to Europe right now.
 
Damn, there goes my Christmas plans.

Positive LF with PCR arriving tomorrow to confirm. Rest of my household tested positive earlier in the week, so I was a sitting duck.

Grateful to have had all my jabs, because I feel dreadful frankly.
 
Jacko21 said:
Damn, there goes my Christmas plans.

Positive LF with PCR arriving tomorrow to confirm. Rest of my household tested positive earlier in the week, so I was a sitting duck.

Grateful to have had all my jabs, because I feel dreadful frankly.
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Really sorry! Feel better soon. You did the right and selfless thing in testing.
 
owlo said:
misleading article. Headline figure is based on a sample of 72. Ny article linked says nothing of the sort, Israeli study said 95% had antibodies, and I don’t understand most of the last article but it was a study of 90 people.
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Fair enough. I have seen a number of different studies. Did you search for any of those?
 
Shakesey said:
Do other countries also do wastewater analysis for viral particles? Through analysis we predicted the wave one week before positive cases were reported.
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Yes we have been using waste water testing throughout. It’s a routine daily thing all our facilities do.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I'm not sure what closing them at 8pm instead of 11pm actually solves. Only vaccinated people can go in and they are already adhering to 2m rules. Seems pointless. It's basically their way of closing them without having to actually close them and fund them, by the looks of it. The mad thing is them doing this and keeping the schools open on possibly the most pointless week for them to be open. Something had to be done, I guess. Hospital/ICU numbers down which doesn't help their cause but they're obviously being pro-active about omicron and if it avoids us being locked down til summer again then fine.
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I agree about the schools

they are probably hoping less Christmas drunks at 8pm than 11pm
 
Jacko21 said:
Damn, there goes my Christmas plans.

Positive LF with PCR arriving tomorrow to confirm. Rest of my household tested positive earlier in the week, so I was a sitting duck.

Grateful to have had all my jabs, because I feel dreadful frankly.
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Get well soon! Hope you’re feeling a bit better for Christmas Day
 
Wolverine said:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Nearly 900k boosters in a single day. Didn't think we'd get near that number to be honest. Putting the fifteen minute post-jab observation period has improved flow and numbers a lot more.
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15 minute observation?

I've had 2 jabs and i was in and out in 1 half minutes maximum.

Think my mum and dad only at the beginning had that observation period on the first jabs.
 
acnumber9 said:
And going back to each others houses after.
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That was my first thought but you can only have so many big house parties. The usual post pub drinks will involve 2 or 3 households hanging out together. The big fear is superspreader events with dozens of different households crammed into a pub together for 5 or 6 hours. And we all know that the social distancing stuff has gone out the window in pubs recently.

Probably less of a risk for restaurants but differentiating pubs and restaurants has been proven not to work with that “substantial meal” nonsense last wave.
 
Last night in London, around Soho and China Town it was very quiet (especially for a Thursday) and today midday on Regent and Oxford St again very quiet.

I think it's a mix of less people working in offices and tourists and the resident tourists all going back home again for christmas.

Hopefully it will slow London rises over the next week or so.
 
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
 
Massive Spanner said:
I'm not sure what closing them at 8pm instead of 11pm actually solves. Only vaccinated people can go in and they are already adhering to 2m rules. Seems pointless. It's basically their way of closing them without having to actually close them and fund them, by the looks of it. The mad thing is them doing this and keeping the schools open on possibly the most pointless week for them to be open. Something had to be done, I guess. Hospital/ICU numbers down which doesn't help their cause but they're obviously being pro-active about omicron and if it avoids us being locked down til summer again then fine.
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I would guess a big part of it is simply signalling to the public that they should be socialising less. It's something they've been messaging already and a change like this re-emphasises it.

Plus there's bound to be a certain degree to which less contact time between people reduces transmission.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That was my first thought but you can only have so many big house parties. The usual post pub drinks will involve 2 or 3 households hanging out together. The big fear is superspreader events with dozens of different households crammed into a pub together for 5 or 6 hours. And we all know that the social distancing stuff has gone out the window in pubs recently.

Probably less of a risk for restaurants but differentiating pubs and restaurants has been proven not to work with that “substantial meal” nonsense last wave.
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The hope would have to be people thinking there’s no point going out if I have to go home at 8 anyway and just not bother. It feels like sticking a plaster on a bullet wound though.
 
acnumber9 said:
The hope would have to be people thinking there’s no point going out if I have to go home at 8 anyway and just not bother. It feels like sticking a plaster on a bullet wound though.
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I think it’s one of those policies that seems stupid if you analyse it at a micro level but will probably tilt the needle at a macro level. Even if it’s only a heavy-handed reminder that we could be in very deep shit soon if people don’t cut down their social contacts. Don’t reckon it will tilt the needle much though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


This is a good/sensible thread which sums up where my own head is at with this. A bit yankocentric but still makes sense on this side of the pond.
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A 'no-lockdown' policy he is advocating there will only work as long as the medical and health system doesn't break down though. We've just had another lockdown because of exactly that reason. And it did help. Brought the numbers down quickly again. It's the only thing that works as a wave breaker
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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So you don’t know you’ve had it but because you might have and it was mild, nobody should be worried?

I don’t think people are scared to death of Omicron, but this is another kick in the dick after a nightmare 20-odd months for some people.

We don’t yet know how bad Omicron is - initial impressions is that it is milder but who’s to say the next wave won’t be worse - that is what scares people. The vaccines were touting as bringing an end to this shit but we’re not there yet!
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm scared because Delta nearly killed my kid brother. I guess your mileage may vary.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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Are you going to self isolate then? I can kind of guess what the answer to that is going to be given your other posts in this thread but I'm still intrigued.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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Do you have your PCR test result yet? Remember to stay isolated for the next ten days. Try not to kill anyone (or their grannies, their pregnant wives, their kid brother going through cancer treatment, their unlucky pal who thought he was safe) while you're still infectious.
 
P-Ro said:
Are you going to self isolate then? I can kind of guess what the answer to that is going to be given your other posts in this thread but I'm still intrigued.
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I'm not someone who is out gallivanting all the time anyway, I am not working at the moment and my next job will probably be after Christmas now. My family and me will all be celebrating Christmas no matter what just like Boris and his friends will be doing. Aside from Christmas, I will be at home whether I am sick or not.
 
jojojo said:
Do you have your PCR test result yet? Remember to stay isolated for the next ten days. Try not to kill anyone (or their grannies, their pregnant wives, their kid brother going through cancer treatment, their unlucky pal who thought he was safe) while you're still infectious.
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The only test I would ever take is the saliva test but I don't know if that's available. I don't stick things up my nose into my brain.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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Ooh you're hard.

Or a dope. Or both.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
The only test I would ever take is the saliva test but I don't know if that's available. I don't stick things up my nose into my brain.
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Stop being such a pussy.

The swab goes nowhere near your brain anyway. My 12 year old has had two tests without blinking an eye. He would piss himself if he thought a fully grown man was too scared to do the same.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Feeling a bit tired and having mildly achey muscles then telling everyone this is evidence that omicron is mild has to be a new low for this thread.
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And then saying he won't have a PCR test. An incredible lack of self-awareness.
 
choccy77 said:
15 minute observation?

I've had 2 jabs and i was in and out in 1 half minutes maximum.

Think my mum and dad only at the beginning had that observation period on the first jabs.
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Its been inconsistently applied but with certain jabs its a 15 minute waiting period to wait in a distanced seated area to check for anaphylaxis or any reactions. Some times others were warned not to drive for that amount of time post-jab but for me personally I've been involved in vaccinating older patients in care homes etc as a GP and that post-jab observation period is a significant rate/jab limiting step
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Feeling a bit tired and having mildly achey muscles then telling everyone this is evidence that omicron is mild has to be a new low for this thread.
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It’s baffling. Can’t prove I had it because I don’t believe in testing, but I had something - which must have been omicron (because no other viruses or whatever exist in the world) - and therefore I’ll just go about telling everyone how mild it is. I don’t like to attack the poster, but surely there have to be some very rare exceptions?!
 
Just watching a bit of the Peter Mccullough thing with Joe Rogan. Worst people in this pandemic have been the credentialed doctors, scientists etc who've spouted dangerous unscientific nonsense, for various reasons. Disagreement are fine but some have genuinely endangered lives through providence legitimacy to vaccine and mask denialism.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I think I might have just had Omicron yesterday, probably started the day before. Yesterday I felt tired and I had that body ache feeling you get whilst you are recovering after a cold. The one where you keep wanting to stretch like a cat? Today I feel back to normal. If I just felt tired yesterday I wouldn't even mention it but it's the combination of feeling tired and the body ache feeling along with the rapid spread throughout the world. So, it's definitely possible right? Mild is an understatement. I am 42, a smoker and unvaccinated. I'm just wondering why so many people are scared to death of Omicron? I've never been scared of this Covid at any point, but I can understand why some were scared at the beginning, assuming it was much more deadly. Why now though? Omicron is much milder and you've all been jabbed up to the eyeballs. Why are you still scared? Makes no sense to me!
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This is the premise for a story that ends up with me gleefully posting a tragic article in the covidiots thread.
 
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