No idea about the fight. But Cenk is a twat
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Unless he’s playing it up «for the views» then that’s definitely the case, I’d say.
Bleurrrrrgghh…..
Wrong thread but also the exact right thread.
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Apart from answering with the cliched stuff (Iraq and the corporate media's role in pushing it, Chomsky's book on the whole thing), well before the rise of independent media, people in the UK believed that the number of people on benefits was much higher than it was, the benefits they received were much higher than the reality, and the number of incoming migrants and of Muslims was much higher than it was. This was from a rich diet of corporate media. I could find a related link from 2016, but remember similar stories in the early 2010s, and probably it was an ongoing thing then too.
Another slightly less cliched criticism of the msm (BBC in particular) is this guy's columns about the role of lobbyists and PR in media that is taken as impartial. I could find a few links:
https://www.monbiot.com/2013/12/12/puppet-show/
https://www.monbiot.com/2014/07/01/purging-dissent/
There’s a lot of merit in what you say but I can’t really take that argument seriously when the alternative, populist media sources (e.g. the one discussed in this thread) play even more fast and loose with the truth and are so much more obviously biased in terms of their underlying agenda.
Plus, whenever Elon Musk has a whine about “corporate media” treating him unfairly, I know whose side I’m on. And it’s not the billionaire tycoon using the media to line his pockets with the life savings of gullible eejits who lose the run of themselves buying cryptocurrencies.
Sure, mainstream media is all fecked, but the sort of people who'd agree with Musk and Rogan don't really have a problem with the things that actually make them fecked.
This pandemic has completely broken him.
Oh good Lord, Peterson AND Rogan in the same room.
Jaysus.
Was wondering if JP was still semi-functional...
Peterson is good. Don't know the other two! I've stopped listening since it moved to Spotify anyway.
I don't even need to check the username for this one. I'm satisfied it's who I think it is.
Clean your room.
I often wonder if people have really listened to a whole range of his stuff rather than just jumping on the 'he's a nazi right winger' bandwagon.
Nobody is calling him a Nazi. He's probably not even far-right. He's most definitely a gateway to the far-right, though.
But that might just be the chaos dragon of feminism in me.
Oh yeh, I'd say there's people out there who will hold him up as a poster boy for the far right. But it's frustrating because in most cases they're just mis interpreting what he's actually saying.
I listened to him on a few podcasts when he first came to prominence. He’s a poor communicator. Some of his ideas are reasonable but he’s very bad at getting them across. A lot of his notions are just plain wrong too.
He seems to have got a hell of a lot more unhinged since then. So much so I’m almost tempted to listen again for an update.
Oh no doubt. He nearly killed himself by trying a quack method of losing his addiction to drugs. You wouldn't think the author of several self-help and self-discipline books would need to almost kill himself to avoid abusing drugs, but there he was.
He might have been a solid scientist at some point, but he embraced the controversy and now he's well and truly embraced being a right-wing radicalization tool (and money-making machine).
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I don't think he's that, but there is a reason he's seen as what stupid people think a smart person is. (That's genuinely not meant as an insult against you)
I've not listened to him recently tbf, probably not heard much since he was ill and had some bonkers medical treatment.
Yeah, exactly. Plus the carnivore diet lunacy. He seems paradoxically fragile for someone who positioned himself as an expert on masculine fortitude. Physician heal thyself.
No, I understand. By no means do I agree with everything he says but there's aspects I do agree with. Problem is whenever someone is discussing controversial topics you always get the extreme fringes latching on to it and thinking someone like Peterson is 'their guy'.
If an individual who became a professor at a well known university and has co-authored papers cited thousands of times and first authored papers cited hundreds of time is not an indication of being smart, then what is?
You can be knowledgeable in one area and be a dumbass in multiple others. There are unfortunately doctors that exist who have wacko Covid views. It doesn't always correlate.
This thread will explode after Peterson's appearance. 
Are you suggesting that his views on self-help are not credible simply because of ongoing mental health issues he himself has faced? He has a PhD in clinical psychology* so if there are any views of his which are more likely to be correct (or believed) then it would surely be his views on mental health and the human mind.
Where Peterson probably lacks more credibility are with regards to his views on politics and other areas of science. I also agree with one comment that suggested he struggles to (verbally) communicate his ideas. I find it difficult to follow his ideas, often because he either uses a lot of words to articulate an idea or the words he uses I simply do not understand.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_psychology
I think Peterson's old videos on psychology and sociology are really good.
He's clearly an expert in his field, as you point out, he's got the credentials to back it up.
The problem with Peterson is that he talks about a lot of subjects way out of his field, and sounds like a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
For example, he claims to be an evolutionary biologist in an interview. If you haven't already seen a real evolutionary biologist refute his lobster spiel, you should check it out.
He talks about Marxism an awful lot and in trying to disprove Marx he said "an employer would be mad to exploit his workers". He takes the word exploit literally in this, where Marx simply means a worker produces more value than he is paid. It's the mistake of someone with a very poor understanding of the subject.
What @LuisNaniencia said, and also his views on self-help are not credible because they're dumb and absurd.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Is there an alternative meaning of exploit I'm not aware of?
To me that just smacks of someone who's ignorant of the working conditions of millions of people around the world.