Pretty much and the ridiculous thing about Blanc is that they actually extended him due to results in the middle of the season but the accumulation of issues during the last months of the season saw him sacked despite a fresh contract. Otherwise they tried to keep Ancelotti but he wanted to join Real Madrid, they let Emery go at the end of his contract and Tuchel was sacked after his last public outburst.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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Pretty much and the ridiculous thing about Blanc is that they actually extended him due to results in the middle of the season but the accumulation of issues during the last months of the season saw him sacked despite a fresh contract. Otherwise they tried to keep Ancelotti but he wanted to join Real Madrid, they let Emery go at the end of his contract and Tuchel was sacked after his last public outburst.
I think he'll be the next United manager, he has always been admired within the club.
Except Ten Hag does something to set himself apart in the UCL this season, I think Pochettino would get the job. (Even though I would rather go for Ten Hag as it stand).
Except Ten Hag does something to set himself apart in the UCL this season, I think Pochettino would get the job. (Even though I would rather go for Ten Hag as it stand).
I just don't get the hate for Poch on here.
He would be the best manager we have had since Fergie, I really think he would do a great job here.
He would be the best manager we have had since Fergie, I really think he would do a great job here.
Probably due to his final season at spurs and his current psg stint.
I'm not putting that as the excuse, its all part of the whole. Playing in a weak league week in week out has its advantages and disadvantages. I'm not claiming that you can't win the CL coming from a weaker league, its just hard to go from steamrolling teams week in week out to upping your game and staying focussed in these massive CL games.
Its also ridiculously hard to win the CL simply because you are facing a number of top teams and you have to be better than them game after game. Any slip up could cost you. As PSG found out, a single moment against us cost them. A stupid moment that could easily still have been ignored and no one would have had that many complaints.
There are fine margins at this level so anything (like playing in a weak league) does make a difference.
Hope he wins the league and a domestic cup so he won’t be sacked from psg.
They're out of domestic cup. Should win the league but that doesn't save his job. Winning Champions League is the only way he possibly stays at PSG beyond summer but don't think that's happening.
Think Poch will be at another club in 5 or 6 months from now. Maybe us, maybe Newcastle United, even one of Everton/Spurs/Arsenal if their current managers get sacked/leave.
I think he will manage Arsenal next season
Did you see some of our gameplans against Barcelona under Fergie?
2 in the middle in an attacking formation for a CL final?
He'll never do that
We played them more than once in the Fergie Vs Pep era. And it's not just about formation, hence I mentioned the "gameplan".
I dont really think we set up defensively though? Even in the 09 final we came out toe to toe against them.
you never saw a CL campaign from us like PSG last year. They literally got to the semi final by packing defence and hoping Mbappe reaches the through ball
And who was it got to the Champions League final? Seems a weird thing to bring up in the context of this thread.
Spurs didn't play good football for long though, even well before the decline it was fairly average and low scoring and similar to United's awful low scoring teams. They were loosely grouped in with City and Pool from that peak year but really didn't warrant it anymore.
He's a decent manager but may have really benefitted from a wave of excellent low cost signings during the AVB era plus one or two during his time like Son. They all reached a peak age playing well and should've done more. During the decline is was clear some needed replacing but the market had changed a lot since and they got caught out paying a lot for average players. You'd hope Poch at a bigger club that can readily replace would do well but seems like he is at his limit. Similar to his peak at Spurs I feel if he came to United he won't have enough to topple Klopp or Pep, it's a really difficult circumstance to face.
He's a decent manager but may have really benefitted from a wave of excellent low cost signings during the AVB era plus one or two during his time like Son. They all reached a peak age playing well and should've done more. During the decline is was clear some needed replacing but the market had changed a lot since and they got caught out paying a lot for average players. You'd hope Poch at a bigger club that can readily replace would do well but seems like he is at his limit. Similar to his peak at Spurs I feel if he came to United he won't have enough to topple Klopp or Pep, it's a really difficult circumstance to face.
He took the squad to be performing levels above what they were. He also had a lot key signings during his time that were brought in, not just one or two. Wanyama, Trippier, Deli Ali, Sissoko, Lloris, Dier, Alderweirald for example.
I find it lazy to suggest he inherited a very good team. Ultimately he had them punching above their weight for the vast majority of the time he was there. He did the same at Southampton too, taking them to their best league finish I think in Premier League history. If I'm not mistaken he also overperformed at Espanyol.
I also don't enjoy lazy posts that point to his ceiling as a manager. He's 49. Managers grow, adapt and learn from experiences just like Players would. To insinuate a manager is never good enough or has an low ceiling when they are so early on in their career is just weird to me. Poch is 3 years younger than Ten Hag and has done well in 3 clubs across 2 leagues. Ten Hag is doing so well but he is so far only proven in Holland.
Poch is performing below par at PSG due to a host of issues, some his and some not. But the jury on him is definitely still out.
Anyone calling him a fraud are just overreactive. He'd be a fair choice for our manager even though I'd rather see Ten Hag + Rangnick trusted ahead of him (in that order). Even though he's 3rd on my personal list, that doesn't mean he's a failure or a bad manager or not suited to a top club. He can still be a big hit for anyone, including Manchester United.
With all the obsessing over the next big thing, it seems we still haven't learned that there's no such thing as a perfect manager, player, or a solution to all our problems.
There's a sense that now that Poch has had some of his flaws exposed, he's not perfect anymore and thus not as desirable as ETH, who hasn't yet had the opportunity to work in a less than ideal environment. But the truth is it's all about if the manager (or player) fits the current environment he is in.
The football Spurs and Southampton played didn't happen by chance. The high finishes and CL final didn't happen by chance. Work, effort, and quality coaching went into it. It's definite proof that Poch can thrive and reach a high level in a certain type of environment. And with that in mind, it's no wonder he's struggling at a club with the current setup of PSG. It doesn't mean he never had skill and was always a fraud, it just means that he's not in his ideal environment.
Now whether current Utd will be an environment in which he will thrive and achieve a high level is anyone's guess, but that's a different matter from just saying he's a fraud or writing off his previous accomplishments because he's currently struggling.
I will also add that being pitted against Ole on here certainly didn't help him. The devotion some had towards their man translated to spite for Poch which made fair assessment of and discussion around him impossible.
There's a sense that now that Poch has had some of his flaws exposed, he's not perfect anymore and thus not as desirable as ETH, who hasn't yet had the opportunity to work in a less than ideal environment. But the truth is it's all about if the manager (or player) fits the current environment he is in.
The football Spurs and Southampton played didn't happen by chance. The high finishes and CL final didn't happen by chance. Work, effort, and quality coaching went into it. It's definite proof that Poch can thrive and reach a high level in a certain type of environment. And with that in mind, it's no wonder he's struggling at a club with the current setup of PSG. It doesn't mean he never had skill and was always a fraud, it just means that he's not in his ideal environment.
Now whether current Utd will be an environment in which he will thrive and achieve a high level is anyone's guess, but that's a different matter from just saying he's a fraud or writing off his previous accomplishments because he's currently struggling.
I will also add that being pitted against Ole on here certainly didn't help him. The devotion some had towards their man translated to spite for Poch which made fair assessment of and discussion around him impossible.
To me it's absolutely clear, and has been for some time that he will be our next manager. The board seem to have a fascination with him (delivering top 4 on a shoestring budget) and all the additional noise around ETH is just hot air to appease a pretty angry fanbase.
Look at this media spin regarding challenging for trophies though, they trying to convince us theres nothing between them
This is a really good point. Every manager looks sexy until they hit a bad patch, and then recency bias kicks in and overrides any goodwill they made.
To me it's absolutely clear, and has been for some time that he will be our next manager. The board seem to have a fascination with him (delivering top 4 on a shoestring budget) and all the additional noise around ETH is just hot air to appease a pretty angry fanbase.
Look at this media spin regarding challenging for trophies though, they trying to convince us theres nothing between them
I think Ten Hag's place on the shortlist comes down to how much they value the attacking football philosophy. Ten Hag's football fits that bill better than Poch's.
Stop you are making yourself look very silly. They might as well dissolve PSG if the club is such a circus that the manager deserves no blame whatsoever.
Oh look PSG is leading in a one horse race league. The league PSG won 9 times out of the last 10 times.
Oh wait Manchester United are still in the FA cup and Champions league top. We must be doing something right, right? Get out of here.
7 not 9.
The only thing that’s keeping me from outrightly not wanting Poch is the fact he does work for PSG, a fecking circus of a club where the owners make ego purchases and the players are massive egos themselves. Messi being promised the world, Mbappe held up as the poster boy despite wanting out, Icardi and his wife, Neymar and all his shenanigans…. then you’ve got personalities like Sergio Ramos on top of that too.
Despite the ludicrous wealth of talent there, how the feck does a manager keep them all happy at the same time? On top of Qatar doing stuff that goes over your head and their demands on who you should play.
Despite the ludicrous wealth of talent there, how the feck does a manager keep them all happy at the same time? On top of Qatar doing stuff that goes over your head and their demands on who you should play.
I have repeatedly said Poch is not free of blame. Now you're making yourself look very silly.
The issue being that all of that is made up by you, it's problems that don't actually exist and come out of nowhere. The players aren't unhappy, Icardi is a non issue for PSG, Neymar hasn't done anything that could be labelled as shenanigans, Mbappé is the poster boy because he is their best performer, QSI has always tried to buy players that the managers wanted and as far as we know have never demanded anything in terms of who should play.
PSG aren't different to every other big clubs, Real Madrid, Bayern(aka FC Hollywood), Barcelona, Juventus, United, Chelsea and pretty much every clubs with star players have locker room with "egos". That's part of the normal management of a top level sport entity.
In that case, I’m in Team #Feckoffpoch
I wouldn't go that far and while I have been critical of Pochettino, I do not hate or underrate him. He is a good manager with shortcomings and the question that we need to ask ourselves is what level of manager do we want next? How do we evaluate our current position?
To me Pochettino is a good choice if our target is to be a solid CL team, if that's our short term goal then I don't see a lot of better candidate. Now if we aim for better than that, if the goal is to bring the next great manager then I don't think that Pochettino is the one, I don't think that he has it in him.
no chance, not with his history with Tottenham.
Yes I did but I am also seeing Liverpool going toe to toe against such sides these days and I would like us to do the same.
If the goal was for longer term success and to win trophies, who would you rather?
Assuming it's Ten Hag (and I agree), would you share the sentiment that he could on the flipside, be a bigger risk?
I've asked it in the other thread, so I'll ask it here as well:
Anyone who watched Poch on a regular basis: how is he with youth integration? How often does he promote and play the players from the academy? Youth management wise, is he closer to LvG or Mourinho?
Anyone who watched Poch on a regular basis: how is he with youth integration? How often does he promote and play the players from the academy? Youth management wise, is he closer to LvG or Mourinho?
I won't have answer but.
Someone like ten Hag has the same promises that Pochettino offered a while ago while not having the opportunity to show us his limits, so yes I would take someone like ten Hag if my goal was to unearth a potentially great head coach. It's more risky and not "fair" for Pochettino because it is his superior experience at a higher level that are held against him but to me it makes sense from the point of view of a future employer. One could make the same point about a player, if you have the choice between two players of similar level, you will pick the one that hasn't shown his limits yet.
Said it before I honestly think he would do very well at United. PSG would be a nightmare club to manage, can only see ZZ being able to control the egos of that front 4.
Lloris was brought in under AVB
You're going off on a big of tangent there, another poster actually calling him a fraud and another certainly saying he has a ceiling a few times. I'm not that person and would have him no problem managing United if we can't get Ten Hag. I was merely responding to other posters and the general theme of the thread talking about underwhelming performances (not results or league placing) with the squad he has that have been talked about for weeks and months.
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Sort of feels like he'll be our next appointment, though I'd prefer ETH. Poch would follow a lot of our recent footballing activity though - reactive and about 5 years too late. I actually like(d) Poch, but I've been disappointed by the football on display at PSG. Egos or no egos, the manager takes the responsibility.
Agreed. You cant really judge a manager by their time at PSG as they have no say on the playing squad. Winning the league and cup is a minimum though. Winning CL with a team full of primadonnas and egos who dont want to do the basics is next to impossible.
Poch would be fantastic for us.
At this point I can't even figure out if it's ironic or not. That's sad.
I would be ok with Poch I guess depending on who else we approach or is available but it doesn’t really matter who we get if club isn’t being run correct.
Out of interest who would people say has been the most successful manager at PSG since the takeover ?
Out of interest who would people say has been the most successful manager at PSG since the takeover ?
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