Joe Rogan
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Saying the n-word. Saying that black people are apes. Saying that black people are strong and white people are smart.
So difficult without full context. Someone simply saying the n word for me does not make them a racist.
second one - agreed. It’s weird, I can’t imagine ever saying something like that.
third one - aren’t black people more athletic due to the fat/muscle ratio? The brain thing is dumb, presumably joe came across IQ vs Race studies that are widely discredited. He’s clearly educated himself and changed his opinion though as somebody pointed out above.
Man is a racist, it's got feck all to do with who is making the observationThought Jimmy the Greek croaked years ago.
Had to look it up. But seriously someone enlighten me because I thought it was true. There’s a physiological advantage for black people due to genetics?
hands up if I’m totally wrong!
If a white person says the n-word regularly, they're racist. It honestly is that simple to me. What kind of context would you need for that? It's not like it's a new thing that saying it isn't cool. It hasn't been cool for longer than he's been alive.
No, that's ridiculous. "Black people" is not a genetic category anyway, so how could that possibly make any sense? There's greater genetic diversity in Sub-Saharan than in the rest of the world combined.
Maybe you should define it since you seem to believe "99%" of people have made racist comments in their past.
BTW @KingCavani You should look up Howard Cosell. He made a racist comment in 1983 and he was taken off the air and "canceled." Completely erases your implication that 2012 was some different world.
Maybe its just me but I've never said the n-word in any context nor claimed there are white and black brains.
Just me I guess.
Just me I guess.
The one percenters
I was just thinking this, is there a cohort of non-racist white people in this thread who just say racist things?
I don't say it, and I know why I don't say it. So I have a position immediately when people do.
They are very different things though. The first is quite easy to happen in some circumstances, the second really requires a racist thinking from a cognitive point of view.
Depends how the word is used for me. Interesting about the genetic diversity though! Time for some digging through the literature.
Well it would be as simple as saying something like “gypos are trouble”. That’s a racist comment. A racist comment that still is used all of the time by (guesswork) a majority of people.
Joe Rogan is an an absolute legend and one of the last super famous people in the world who cares about free speech.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
Sounds like a European example because that's not really a thing in the Americas. But I definitely question whether a "majority of people" in Europe makes comments like that "all the time". I'll let some of your fellow European posters decide the truth of your assumption there.
I think the equivalent for Americans, maybe 'immigrants are trouble" is absolutely not said all the time by a majority but only a distinct minority of people (Trumpers).
Oh, dear.
I think in the UK it’s a pretty commonly held view. Don’t know about the rest of Europe.
Who do you like about him ?
Joe Rogan has his own company called Bent Pixels who’s sole purpose is to take down anything critical of Joe from YouTube etc
I'd guess there are several of their employees in this thread.
Either a misspelling or a brilliant deconstruction of the guest-focused defences of the last few pages.
I'd like to hear the thoughts of some of our other UK posters on the truth of your claims.
From your posts, my hypothesis is that you are surrounded (either by choice or circumstance) by a lot more of the UK equivalent of Trumpers, so your view on what a "majority" of people think and believe is massively skewed. Believing 99% of people make racist comments like your example defies common sense.
I don’t agree with everything he says but he always takes on challenging topics that nobody else does. People should be allowed to debate, he is hardly a educational show, why are people taking it to heart, it’s entertainment.
As for his company, surely that is the larger issue of YouTube. They are removing videos that shouldn’t be removed, Joe Rogan shouldn’t be able to influence YouTube surely.
I haven''t seen YouTube remove any of his content. Spotify have removed a selection of things that were apparently not controversial when they aired, but are so now. I don't think Rogan himself is going anywhere since he is one of the most watched podcasters in the world and has fairly wide range of guests on. Like others who have recently had to apologize for past comments (Maher, Joy Reid, Kaitlyn Collins etc), I suspect this will blow over at some point and he will be back to his normal content.
What exactly are the topics he takes on, that nobody else does? I'm genuinely curious, because it seems like the topics on these long form conversation podcasts are generally the same. Joe Rogan might have been first and be the biggest, but I fail to see him doing anything that isn't being done on a number of other podcasts.
The other poster said Rogans team take things down on Youtube, I would blame YouTube rather than Rogan for that. That’s sad to hear Spotify took some of his content down because some people didn’t like it.
I hope your right about it blowing over mate. I don’t like this cancel culture at all, can just see where it’s leading. People shouldn’t be scared to discuss what’s going on in the world. It’s so important to question things rightly or wrongly. These people that don’t like Rogan should just make videos in response or just don’t watch him, not try to end his career
Youtube has a pretty open minded policy about content and the fact that Rogan makes a majority of his money at Spotify suggests that he may take some of the more controversial experts down to avoid any further blow back from all of this.
Buddy if you can't comprehend the difference between a Monday Night Football broadcast on national television and a comedian's stoner podcast that maybe had a few hundred thousand downloads at the time then that's on you. And Cosell was punished immediately and actually mostly forgiven later - He's still pretty fondly remembered in spite of what he said. They weren't digging up something he said a decade prior.
Yeh, it would be interesting. Like you said before though I do suspect it’s a very Uk centric comment.
I think a case that is closer to Rogan's is that of Joy Reid, who made some anti-gay posts about a decade ago and managed to keep her job at MSNBC. Unlike Rogan, I believe she actually denied it by claiming her account had been hacked, which was rejected by many who had tracked down her posts on the way back machine. She managed to skate through all of that and keep her job and its largely since been forgotten.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/27/17286392/joy-reid-msnbc-lgbtq-gay-hack
Blowing everything out of proportion only resonates when there's an element of truth. Only the most far gone people really buy into nonsense like Joe Biden being a socialist whereas I guarantee your average person doesn't give a shit about what Joe Rogan said in 2010 - And loads of people will be sympathetic to the notion that this is being blown out of proportion.
Your talking about a country that has staggering healthcare costs, extreme wealth inequality that grows every year. They're coming out of the worst pandemic in the nation's history with an inflation crisis on the horizon. It is absolutely f*cking laughable that the content of the Joe Rogan Experience in 2010 is part of the mainstream political discourse in 2022.
Opie and Anthony was once the highest rated afternoon radio show in New York City - Reaaaaaally obscure area - It was absolutely available nationally as well. Jesus christ. For you to say you haven't heard of it tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of this medium of discoure.
Are you scared of going around in public saying "white brains" are better than "black brains" or saying you're entering planet of the apes when you enter a room with a lot of black people in it?
Why is the comment he made about black and white brains in 2011 more of a reflection of him as a human being than the comments he made in 2017 (unprompted, not as a reponse to anything) where he stated exactly the opposite and reflected on the stupidity of that very concept?
Why does one define him and not the other? Surely the more recent comment is more of a reflection of where is his thought process is at?
That's not what I asked though, is it?
Would you be afraid of making comments like those in public?
Would I be afraid?
I’m not a public figure. People in my job say worse every single day and I mean literally every day. In fact about 2 hours ago I played football with guys I work with and a guy called a black player John Barnes just because he’s black. Literally the only reason. He said it, people heard it, no one cared. It’s not that normal people condone this language they just don’t really take offence to it the way people online do. People have their own shit to deal with and life is hard enough without confronting every asshole who says something hateful.
I’ve worked and work with genuine racists, guys who openly hate immigrants and aren’t remotely shy in saying as much. So no I certainly wouldn’t be afraid as nothing would happen me. I just wouldn’t do it because it’s obviously an awful thing to say.
Rogan shouldn’t have said it. No one is saying otherwise. It’s the outrage after such a long time that is just ridiculous.
No one cared when no one cared about Joe Rogan. No one even cared when people cared about Joe Rogan because the guy highlighting it was Alex Jones. People still don’t care. Not really. Because it’s just not important in any sort of grand scheme of things and only an imbecile would think that what someone said 10 years ago can define them today.
Rogan has literally thousands of hours of content and the fact that people have to go back so far tells you everything about what this is.
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I don’t understand ? Is this something Joe Rogan has said ?
He said both at different times.