Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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pocco said:
:lol: That made me laugh.

I'm with you. I can't quite believe the opposition to Poch on here. I know Ten Hag is an equally (more in many people's eyes) attractive proposition in his own right. But because of this new found love of Ten Hag, Poch has gone from golden boy to absolute hatred on here in a few years, and most of the criticism comes from his time at PSG.

Ok, he didn't win the league in his first season at PSG, but people fail to mention he only took over half way through. Now he's walking the league and is probably going to win it,yet is still referred to as a bottler (as though his Spurs team had any right to get to the CL final or compete in the PL). Then there's the fact he replaced Tuchel, who many bemoan we missed out on now, yet he struggled at PSG also and was also ridiculed on here towards the end of his time at PSG. I said we should talk to him when I heard he was being sacked, as did many others. But so many posters thought they knew better and wouldn't have it. There's not much logic to how RedCafe views managers really now I think about it. Opinions change like the fecking wind.
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Another argument people keep bringing up is that poch lost the league last season, when in reality, tuchel was the one that lost the league. Stats shows that when poch took over, psg had better result and they even made it as far as the champion league semi finals, knocking out numerous European elite. I agree with your perplexity towards the logic of how redcafe members select manager. Ole was so popular on here it was crazy that only a few saw how bad he really was. Even though I rate ten hag, he hasn't shown that he is able to manage players with big ego yet. Ajax is not a place that you can really judge his managerial capabilities because so many managers that did well over there failed when they transitioned to another league. What I like about ten hag though is that he learned under pep, so just like Arteta, he has a good mentor and insight towards how football is supposed to be played. Still skeptical about whether he can make a successful transition into a proper league, but out of all the manager Ajax has produced in recent memories, he seems like the one that might make it. He definitely not as accomplished as poch nor should he be looked as superior, but that is the Cafe members logic on here to think that.
 
The difference is the type or maybe even quality of football Pochettino has produced with PSG and arguably even Spurs compared to the quality produced by Ajax with Ten Hag.

The main reason I want to take a gamble on Ten Hag is I find Possesion football much rarely found than the football type that managers like Pochettino are producing.

If we miss out on Ten Hag - who is the next Possesion manager we will see at United?

It's just a preference in what I want to see. Success wise both are pure guess work, so I lean towards my preference in style of football.
 
Amadaeus said:
Another argument people keep bringing up is that poch lost the league last season, when in reality, tuchel was the one that lost the league. Stats shows that when poch took over, psg had better result and they even made it as far as the champion league semi finals, knocking out numerous European elite. I agree with your perplexity towards the logic of how redcafe members select manager. Ole was so popular on here it was crazy that only a few saw how bad he really was. Even though I rate ten hag, he hasn't shown that he is able to manage players with big ego yet. Ajax is not a place that you can really judge his managerial capabilities because so many managers that did well over there failed when they transitioned to another league. What I like about ten hag though is that he learned under pep, so just like Arteta, he has a good mentor and insight towards how football is supposed to be played. Still skeptical about whether he can make a successful transition into a proper league, but out of all the manager Ajax has produced in recent memories, he seems like the one that might make it. He definitely not as accomplished as poch nor should he be looked as superior, but that is the Cafe members logic on here to think that.
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What's a 'proper league' if you don't mind me asking??
 
Champ said:
What's a 'proper league' if you don't mind me asking??
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The French league has a higher status than Eredivise. France is a bigger country and a very big producer of talents in Europe. But both Ten Hag and Poch operate in a relatively "easy" domestic competition. PSG's squad is worth 2,5 times it nearest adversary (Monaco) while Ajax current squad is worth 2,4 times the squad of its nearest competitor (PSV). Compared to the top 4 leagues these clubs have very high margins. Almost 4 times more margins than Bayern has over other german clubs.

For comparison;
Bundesliga: Bayern's squad is only worth 43% more than Dortmund.
Liga: Real's squad is only worth 20% more than Atletico/Barça.
England: MCity's squad is only worth 12% more than Liverpool & Chelsea.
Italy: Juventus and Inter have basically the same value and Napoli is 9 % behind.

The competitive advantage that PSG has over the rest in France should make it imperartive to comfortably win the double almost every year.
 
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Look I want Erik Ten Hag but its gonna be Maurico Pochettino. The Manchester United board have always wanted Pochettino. The thing that scares me is Erik Ten Hag ends up at Newcastle United once the Saudi money has got them into the top four.
 
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Amadaeus said:
Brilliant performance and a comfortable 5 -1 win away from home to a champions league team and last year league winners.
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You can't be serious about this bit?

You're spinning a result of a team that team is currently 11th and the Manager that won the league with that team, just dumped him out the cup.

He's not even the best manager in the league.
 
Lash said:
You're spinning a result of a team that team is currently 11th and the Manager that won the league with that team, just dumped him out the cup.
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Not only they lost the League-winning manager. Lille doesn't look anything like the league winners of last season. From the team that beat Pochettino 0-1 at the Parc last season they've lost Maignan (the replacement Grbic helped Paris last night) and recently sold Ikoné and Reinildo.,. And I think Yilmaz & Sanchez were unavailable.
 
Pintu said:
The French league has a higher status than Eredivise. France is a bigger country and a very big producer of talents in Europe. But both Ten Hag and Poch operate in a relatively "easy" domestic competition. PSG's squad is worth 2,5 times it nearest adversary (Monaco) while Ajax current squad is worth 2,4 times the squad of its nearest competitor (PSV). Compared to the top 4 leagues these clubs have very high margins. Almost 4 times more margins than Bayern has over other german clubs.

For comparison;
Bundesliga: Bayern's squad is only worth 43% more than Dortmund.
Liga: Real's squad is only worth 20% more than Atletico/Barça.
England: MCity's squad is only worth 12% more than Liverpool & Chelsea.
Italy: Juventus and Inter have basically the same value and Napoli is 9 % behind.

The copetitive advantage that PSG has over the rest in France should make it imperartive to comfortably win the double almost every year.
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Agree with this,

Calling the Eredivisie not a proper league is ironic considering it has out performed the French league on UEFA coefficients the past two seasons.
 
Champ said:
Agree with this,

Calling the Eredivisie not a proper league is ironic considering it has out performed the French league on UEFA coefficients the past two seasons.
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The French league has been doing quite well to be honest. At least recently. It certainly deserves respect, but Paris is just a different job, it is so much more equipped than others.

3 different french clubs have reached a UCL semifinal in the last 5 years. That’s more than any other league (but the PL, 4 clubs total) over the same period. All the other top leagues have had exactly 2 different clubs. And Ajax is the only non top 5 club to appear in a semifinal, since PSV 2005 and Porto 2004.
 
I would suggest that Poch and Ten Haag will not be impressed with the recent activity at OT. The Manager undermined by the Director of football allegedly. Players doing almost what they want, players the manager requests in the transfer window not bought. If either of them do come, I bet they will have a big pay out clause for when the inevitable sack appears. The club is a mess from top to bottom, just like the stadium.
 
Pintu said:
Not only they lost the League-winning manager. Lille doesn't look anything like the league winners of last season. From the team that beat Pochettino 0-1 at the Parc last season they've lost Maignan (the replacement Grbic helped Paris last night) and recently sold Ikoné and Reinildo.,. And I think Yilmaz & Sanchez were unavailable.
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Exactly, was an extremely odd thing to say when they're a completely different side and now have an inferior manager.

It's no real surprise though, anything to spin Poch amazing things at PSG, whilst playing down his control when it doesn't go well.
 
Offsideagain said:
I would suggest that Poch and Ten Haag will not be impressed with the recent activity at OT. The Manager undermined by the Director of football allegedly. Players doing almost what they want, players the manager requests in the transfer window not bought. If either of them do come, I bet they will have a big pay out clause for when the inevitable sack appears. The club is a mess from top to bottom, just like the stadium.
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100 per cent and they would be idiots not to make sure that they prepare for the worst.

The club is a basket case. The inmates are running the asylum, all with the compliance of the higher ups. They're upset about having to drive home in the dark after training, they're upset about getting video analysis of their performances, they're upset about the coach not mollycoddling them. If you're a coach coming into this, trying to put demands on players, wanting to work them hard, you'd make sure that when they try to do you over that it'll be worth your while in £££.
 
Lash said:
Almost admire the dedication
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Yes, I know.

But like I've said before, in terms of how (in layman's terms) crazy it is...well, it's debatable what's more concerning: being obsessed with Poch (of all people) or wumming for years on the same subject.

I find this sort of thing mildly interesting. Someone should write a thesis on it.
 
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Manchester players want Pochettino. It is getting obvious now that all roads lead to Pochettino and he will lead us back to glory. I hope he can get a few players from psg as well. Nuno Mendes, Verratti, hakimi, xavi Simon's, are ones that stands out
 
^ Certainly not looking forward to your defending of poch when he comes, it will be all the Ole inners × 1000.
 
The Firestarter said:
^ Certainly not looking forward to your defending of poch when he comes, it will be all the Ole inners × 1000.
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I already handle most of the Ole inners in this forum, the poch doubters will be no different. I don't know how people can't see that he is an excellent manager. But then again, many people didn't see that Ole wasn't a good manager at the time either.
 
Amadaeus said:


Manchester players want Pochettino. It is getting obvious now that all roads lead to Pochettino and he will lead us back to glory. I hope he can get a few players from psg as well. Nuno Mendes, Verratti, hakimi, xavi Simon's, are ones that stands out
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Xavi Simon's who he threw under the bus last week?
 
big rons sovereign said:
Xavi Simon's who he threw under the bus last week?
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He is still young and I don't see any hard feelings. He played him against lille. I really hope he can lure Verratti and hakimi and/ nuno Mendes the most. Also get son or Kane from spurs. The only problem is that it will be hard to attract top player if we don't make champion league next season
 
Amadaeus said:
He is still young and I don't see any hard feelings. He played him against lille. I really hope he can lure Verratti and hakimi and/ nuno Mendes the most. Also get son or Kane from spurs. The only problem is that it will be hard to attract top player if we don't make champion league next season
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Bloody hell :lol:
 
If United players prefer Poch I’d be more inclined to think that they are hoping for an easy ride with him in charge as opposed to someone like ten Hag.

I don’t trust most of our players.
 
DRJosh said:
If United players prefer Poch I’d be more inclined to think that they are hoping for an easy ride with him in charge as opposed to someone like ten Hag.

I don’t trust most of our players.
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Yea because our player doesn't want to win anything. Our players knows that poch is the best candidate that will get them the level they are supposed to achieve. They see how unified the psg dressing room is and how chaotic ours is, plus the work he has done there and in England and it became an easy decision. Who else has such a cv that is attainable? I believe we shouldn't have let it be so known in the public because now psg will try and play hardball with us. As when the rumors appeared before in winter, Leonardo wasn't happy about it. Messi has cane out and said one if the reason he joined psg was because of Pochettino, so many top players want to play for him. I don't see many other managers having such pulling power and I can see why our players admire him
 
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Manchester players want Pochettino. It is getting obvious now that all roads lead to Pochettino and he will lead us back to glory. I hope he can get a few players from psg as well. Nuno Mendes, Verratti, hakimi, xavi Simon's, are ones that stands out
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Pochettino is quality manager imo but if our players want him then that makes me want him less at United. They probably loved it under Ole as well but man failed in the end. His PSG stint hasn't impressed me either.
 
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BorisManUtd said:
Pochettino is quality manager imo but if our players want him then that makes me want him less at United. They probably loved it under Ole as well but man failed in the end. Hiknowings PSG stint hasn't impressed me either.
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The difference is that poch is actually hands on with coaching. Ole created a great atmosphere and if we can blend that with a manager that is good at coaching, we will be back on top of Europe. The atmosphere under Ralf seems like it is back to being toxic as many players have voiced concerns in social media and are wanting out. We need a manager that can create a good atmosphere and coach as well, which is Pochettino
 
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Yea because our player doesn't want to win anything. Our players knows that poch is the best candidate that will get them the level they are supposed to achieve. They see how unified the psg dressing room is and how chaotic ours is, plus the work he has done there and in England and it became an easy decision. Who else has such a cv that is attainable? I believe we shouldn't have let it be so known in the public because now psg will try and play hardball with us. As when the rumors appeared before in winter, Leonardo wasn't happy about it. Messi has cane out and said one if the reason he joined psg was because of Pochettino, so many top players want to play for him. I don't see many other managers having such pulling power and I can see why our players admire him
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Have you built an altar to Lord Poch at home yet? Otherwise, you have to be a Wum. Never heard of such reverence even for Fergie!!!
 
Amadaeus said:


Manchester players want Pochettino. It is getting obvious now that all roads lead to Pochettino and he will lead us back to glory. I hope he can get a few players from psg as well. Nuno Mendes, Verratti, hakimi, xavi Simon's, are ones that stands out
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Of course they want another yes man they can walk all over. Why bring in ETH when they'd be forced to work and learn a system. The mentality of these players is shocking. Also, senior players, most of which shouldn't be playing at Utd.
 
I don't think he will be a bad choice. Might be disputed but he will be the best coach we have hired who isn't past his peak since SAF retired. Just that I would still prefer ETH. Poch's football for me isn't fun to watch unless he somehow transforms us to Spurs 2015 to 2018 version.

Anyways not my first choice but I won't be overly disappointed. Hey it could be worse and we could appoint Brendan Rodgers.
 
Lash said:
You can't be serious about this bit?

You're spinning a result of a team that team is currently 11th and the Manager that won the league with that team, just dumped him out the cup.

He's not even the best manager in the league.
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It is embarassing.
 
Amadaeus said:


Manchester players want Pochettino. It is getting obvious now that all roads lead to Pochettino and he will lead us back to glory. I hope he can get a few players from psg as well. Nuno Mendes, Verratti, hakimi, xavi Simon's, are ones that stands out
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I dont give a shit who they want. Being wanted by these wasters isn't a point in his favour.
Half of them need to be replaced, having the balls to think their opinion on who their next manager should be is welcome or matters is precisely the kind of reason why.
 
caid said:
I dont give a shit who they want. Being wanted by these wasters isn't a point in his favour.
Half of them need to be replaced, having the balls to think their opinion on who their next manager should be is welcome or matters is precisely the kind of reason why.
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Why you think they are waster? The season before this one, shaw was one of the best left back in the world, Bruno and pogba the best midfielder in the world, we had one of the best defense in Europe, and mmm had better output than most attackers. I don't understand why fans on here are so quick to throw out players we have. Just because they are doing badly now, doesn't mean that they can't have a turn in their career. If any managers will be able to do that, poch is the one
 
Amadaeus said:
Why you think they are waster? The season before this one, shaw was one of the best left back in the world, Bruno and pogba the best midfielder in the world, we had one of the best defense in Europe, and mmm had better output than most attackers. I don't understand why fans on here are so quick to throw out players we have. Just because they are doing badly now, doesn't mean that they can't have a turn in their career. If any managers will be able to do that, poch is the one
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I agree that fans can often be quick to want rid of a player but in Shaw & Pogba's case they've shown that they tend to be more consistently bad than they do good, they may have a purple patch every now and again (Longer for Shaw tbf) but they often return to their base and flatter to deceive.

Really don't understand your love in with Poch, he's a decent enough manager who can work on a budget, he's shown that he struggles to handle the bigger ego players and how he sets his PSG side to play is very basic and not well drilled at all. I think he'll eventually settle into that position 4-8 placed manager, similar to a Brendan Rodgers, except a lot more likeable.
 
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