That's total BS, he's here because he's very good friend with Neymar, because PSG has money and because half of our team comes from Argentina.
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That's total BS, he's here because he's very good friend with Neymar, because PSG has money and because half of our team comes from Argentina.
Wikipedia, that bastion of truth, currently has Poch as United manager 
Hoping Poch steps away from the circus and comes to United and makes us a real football team again.
PSG fans are in for a real shock. No one is doing any better with that squad and those egos. Your most talented player only fancies playing half the games. The players are the bosses there because the club has an inferiority complex and is just happy to have them. Let them dictate what they do and when they do it.
Their whole approach should be different and no manager will step into that dressing room and do any better.
I am choosing to judge Poch on what he did at Southampton and Spurs, and that is exactly the type of manager we should have gotten instead of giving it to a random ex-player for three years.
PSG fans are in for a real shock. No one is doing any better with that squad and those egos. Your most talented player only fancies playing half the games. The players are the bosses there because the club has an inferiority complex and is just happy to have them. Let them dictate what they do and when they do it.
Their whole approach should be different and no manager will step into that dressing room and do any better.
I am choosing to judge Poch on what he did at Southampton and Spurs, and that is exactly the type of manager we should have gotten instead of giving it to a random ex-player for three years.
Hmm, who wrote that, I wonder?Wikipedia, that bastion of truth, currently has Poch as United manager
Oh dear, you will now be destroyed by Amadeus, just you wait, after all:
Run for your life Oly, run. Take Francis with you as well.
Ask yourself : is United closer to PSG or Totteham? A hint : unbalanced teams, injured stars, no midfield, no consistency, GOATS past their prime, popular starters paid for huge transfers fees without deserving it, clueless management, ridiculous wages....
Got your answer?
The institution high ground taken by some here is baffling.
Exactly and Messi is only going to get older And regress even more. Moreover, Mbappe is leaving. Tuchel statement is damning about how managing Lukaku..Lukaku
is easier than managing this psg team. I won’t be surprised if nice or Lyon or marseille wins the league next season. Poch definitely needs to leave the circus. Not many manager can do exceptionally well when the attackers don’t defend or press, especially in modern football. Poch will be crazy to continue managing there. Even Newcastle might have a better platform for him.also I didn’t say Messi is only there because of Pochettino. I said it was a reason. Not suprised champ is trying to change what I said.
Definitely Spurs. Lacking key players in key areas. Ronaldo/Cavani will be gone in the summer and they are the only players on that PSG ego level.
I don’t think players like Varane in isolation will be a big polítical problem.
By July, there will be no Ronaldo, no Cavani, no Pogba, no Lingard. We will be in a position to rebuild and cultivate a new mentality in the squad.
We are much closer to Spurs than to PSG.
I still can't believe that people believe that narrative. PSG have plenty of the ball and don't concede many opportunities, their issues are with the ball and not about defending or pressing.
I believe that narrative was more highlighted when psg played Machester city. Many pundits saw that and emphasized that it is hard for a team to do well when the front three doesn’t defend. I am sure you are aware of Henry statement towards that. Pressing forcing mistake and helps the team win the ball back quicker, if done properly. The problem Isn’t as heightened in the league as psg are comfortably on top, moreover they have more of the ball often. the problem is isolated to team that plays from the back. in the league the problem is more about finishing, rather than any possession-based, creating chances issue. I have showed on here the “how unlucky Messi is“ video that a YouTube made. If psg were more clinical they would have more goals and be farther on top of the league. So that is two main problem going on at psg. Lack of adequate press because of having a front three who can’t defend and also clinical finishing.
You see that's the problem. You base your opinion on a single game that happened months ago while PSG fans and french football followers base it on every other games, PSG are underwhelming in the league and saved by their attackers in particular Mbappé. PSG are criticized for what they do with the ball on a weekly basis not what happened against City months ago.
And PSG creates less chances and less shots than previous seasons, so no it's not just about being clinical. They are at their worst with the ball since 2012.
it is not a single game. I said it was highlighted by that game. City are not the only team that plays from the back that psg played. Creating chance and shots still coincides with a poor pressing game. If they can’t win the ball back faster, the don’t get more shots or chances. Regardless, their expected goals is still significantly the best in the league. Moreover, Mbappe who people keep saying saves the psg team, he isnt even the top goalscorer in the league. People make it sounds like he is some goalscoring machine, but he is still two point behind the first top scorer. he should be about 5 above if psg relies so much on him
It would be a very uninspiring, but relatively safe signing. Players are likely to respect him, and he is a safe choice. In that we are probably going to be a comfortable top 4 team under him. But whether he can take us beyond that, to winning titles is up for debate. Can see why the board would consider him though.
But honestly, not a lot of great managers out there. And more importantly, two of the best are already in our league coaching our rivals. ETH is a huge bet. Look at the media circus under Rangnick, there is a real possibility that some players might do the same under someone like ETH.
I‘m curious to see why so many people are mentioning Enrique. I know he had good success with Barca. But that team was pretty stacked. Arguably had the best attack of all time with two of those players (Suarez and Neymar) in their absolute prime. Not sure how he would suit us.
But honestly, not a lot of great managers out there. And more importantly, two of the best are already in our league coaching our rivals. ETH is a huge bet. Look at the media circus under Rangnick, there is a real possibility that some players might do the same under someone like ETH.
I‘m curious to see why so many people are mentioning Enrique. I know he had good success with Barca. But that team was pretty stacked. Arguably had the best attack of all time with two of those players (Suarez and Neymar) in their absolute prime. Not sure how he would suit us.
I mean, it depends on the manager. When Guardiola first took over Barca, he binned Deco and Ronaldinho immediately and alienated players he did not see fit for his team like Yaya and Eto'o. He stamped his authority over senior figures immediately and established a "my way or the highway approach". By the time Zlatan went to the team, he was shocked at how Barcelona looked like being in a school than a football club filled with stars. This despite having zero stature in the game at the time he became their maanger. Ten Hag reminds me a lot of Pep in his "dictator type" of behavior. From the interviews i've seen of him he expects a 100% commitment to the team and club and if he doesn't get that, the door is shown. We need that kind of manager.
Let's not forget that Rangnick isn't an interim here and it was alwayhs going to be an uphill battle in getting these players to move their asses knowing he isn't exactly gong to bei n the position long.
If going to the final and semi-final of the CL is a circus, sign me up I'll bring my red nose and clown shoes. Meanwhile, I'm sure United is the epitome of stability and success, what with all those trophies and steady managerial appointments. I'm sure Poch will be delighted in just how much better things are here.
Give me a break. If you want to judge Poch on what he did at Southampton and Spurs to use that as a basis on managing a club like United, you go right ahead but it's dumb because it's a different world. If he's struggling at PSG, I guarantee you he will struggle at United, because your club is an actual circus at the moment, and there aren't any trophies or long journeys in the CL to cover for it.
Squad and egos? Players are the bosses? Sounds exactly like us.
He failed to manage their primadonas why do you think he could with ours?
So basically, you're saying that if you remove all the primadonnas from United, you have no more primadonnas? Brilliant. Mbappé is likely to leave this summer, Messi has a 2 year contract like Ronaldo. When they're gone, who are the primadonnas at PSG? I'm pretty sure PSG can handle Neymar if he's the only one. He has actually been pretty quiet for a while now, you rarely hear a complaint about/from him or his father.
And how can be so sure United isn't going to replace your primadonnas with more primadonnas? Because of Pochettino who likes hardworking players? The same Pochettino who insisted on extending Draxler at PSG?
We at least have a couple of starters that are impeccable, starting with Marquinhos who's the team captain, a highly respected and respectable player with true love for the club. I'm not sure we can say the same about Maguire.
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He currently has 12 goals( 2 penaltys) and 9 assists, Ben Yedder has 14 goals(6 penaltys) and 4 assists. In your estimation are these two players having a similar season?
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The booing a few years ago, changed a lot of things. Maybe I imagined it at the time but that's around the time he decided that he was going to do a normal amount of defensive work?
They might! That’s why the next manager choice is so important.
United have such a massive history and culture that no player will ever be bigger than the club. We have taken a wrong turn, but we are still Manchester United. We can still correct our path with the right man in charge.
PSG have a big problem because they don’t have the pull of a Manchester United and they don’t have the league to attract young, hungry players in the prime for anything more than the money. No one outside France grows up with dreams of winning Ligue 1.
I am sorry if that opinion hurts PSG fans, but you will always have the drama and circus elements because of who you are and the league you find yourselves playing in.
United can correct their path and I think this summer could go a long way towards doing just that.
You just wind up right now.
PSG ambition right now is winning CL which with money is enough a pull for great player. Hakimi, Donnarumma are the latest example of their pull. Those two had a host of other club interest.
If it were just prestige, and title ambition, they could have stayed at their previous clubs.
I think it's enough tribalism for now. You can be right (or wrong) with your future prediction, There is no correct right now in this case between fan of different clubs though.
Feck me, what a shocking post.
What, you mean the league of the world cup winning nation? Where do you think all these young hungry players start? PSG could hoover up all the talent in the league easily and most of them would chose them over us, given the choice. Although that's actually not in their interest to just destroy the league anyway. Yet they still manage to attract players from other leagues quite easily and will continue to do so.
I know we're in an absolute mess right now, but belittling other clubs to try and make us look better is just not the way to go.
Sounds like United & Barca levels of cluelessness from Leonardo
How often does United get a bargain deal? Which player picked United or any english club for less money?
Won't happen under Poch though.
I'd say that currently there are players bigger than the club. That needs to change.
It’s not belittling other clubs to say that a manager at PSG faces potentially larger issues than at United. United have a long and storied tradition and play in the most watched league in the world. Ligue 1 does not have the same draw. Nowadays “shocking” on this forum is anything you dont agree with.
I could be a lot less complementary about PSG. I have a massive problem with their spending. I don’t think it’s right that a nation state’s weight should be behind any football team. I can have that opinion and still not be disrespectful to their fans. It’s not disrespectful to think their situation is problematic or to think that Ligue 1 doesn’t attract top players without their cash.
Its my opinion that any manager with that squad, in that league, would have issues. It’s full of massive personalities and egos. There is no way Neymar’s starts would be so low at a club like Real, Barcelona or at the top teams in the PL. They have too many stars dictating their terms.
United have taken a few wrong turns, but come the summer, we have a real chance to correct that with the likes of a Ten Hag or Pochettino and embark on a new direction with players who want to be here.
That’s a perfectly valid opinion, as shocking as you might find it.
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The shocking part is the lack of self-awareness about our situation. Ligue 1 might not have the same draw as as a whole, but it's sure as hell a lot more attractive in Paris right now than it is to be at United. We are potentially seeing 10+ first team squad players leaving in the summer, a new manager coming in and also have massive egos and personalities deal with still, that won't leave.
That's fine, it's not what you said though and not why I said your post was shocking.
Your Neymar point is just ill-informed. He's had several injury problems (https://www.transfermarkt.co.za/neymar/verletzungen/spieler/68290) and you're probably just extrapolating from the whole sisters birthday thing (which he did at Barca anyway).
We will see where we are with a competent coach and see if your opinion has changed. We have had a pretty hard time of it in terms of decisions at the club and still have a player like Varane wanting to come here in his prime and asking specifically for us. We will always be Manchester United.
A clear out is just what we need and could end up being vital in the process. Look at how well Crystal Palace restructured their squad in the summer. They finished the month of June with a Championship team after a series of departures, but have restructured beautifully and are now looking to the future with optimism. It can be a good thing.
As for my point about Neymar, pointing me to a site about injuries means very little. Many players play every weekend with nicks and pulls and knocks. That’s part and parcel of the game. I feel certain he would be starting more games at another club. His appearance record is really poor for someone in his prime. I didn’t mention his sister.
It was a mistake of his to go to PSG and not have those big domestic games and competition. It’s sad because I followed him all the way through his time at Santos (my families team) and (even though it seems crazy to suggest), he should have done so much more. He is the best natural footballer I have ever seen live. I am anything but ill-informed about Neymar.
Again, words like “shocking” and “ill-informed” to put down an opinion different than your own are just a waste of time. I don’t think you are either, I just don’t agree with you and that’s ok.
Sorry PSG fans, am derailing the thread, but I still think Poch could be a big part of a new future here. In saying that, there are several good options to choose from.
And we're not even talking about this "United pull" if the club doesn't play the CL next season.
But some people here like to oversimplify things with this absurd narrative of PSG being s soulless club with mercenaries only that stacks up stars for no purpose. Yes PSG attracts big stars, and yes having a lot of money plays a big part in that, but we also recruited totally average players especially in the midfield. We also have a core of players that truely love the club : Verratti, Marquinho, Kimpembe, Di Maria, Thiago Silva before he left etc. (I won't mention Cavani because I have a hard time swallowing the fact that he refused to extend for the final 8).
Neymar is also unfairly attacked most of the time and is far from being the diva some describe so far. Yes he throws parties and play poker at night but that's pretty much it.
Maybe yeah, we did see an improvement in is dedication around that period. The guy just turned 30 and he didn't throw a huge party so he can be ready for the game against Real Madrid, which is quite an improvement for Neymar.
Mbappe is having a a better season overall, but when it comes to goal scored, Ben yedder is having a better season. But, one player isn't worth 200m. Mbappe goal scoring contribution should be much higher than it is.
Google Ousmane Dembele. Gareth Bale also says hello. Neymar's always had his convenient suspensions and yellow cards, but the man has been through potentially career-ending injuries to his back and foot, that would have happened anywhere else. It has nothing to do with player power, and believe me a guy like Neymar loves to play football, so if it were up to him, he'd be playing every game unless it's Carnival or his sister's birthday.
And what is the definition of insanity? Because if you think a manager is what will change the issues at United, then you're clearly not paying attention this past decade. For what it's worth, same thing with PSG, but what's shocking is that you can't tell that your club is in an even worse condition. You're talking about how it doesn't matter because you're in the best league in the world, blablabla, that doesn't make an ounce of difference because a mess is a mess, and the top players aren't going to be interested in going to a mess that doesn't win. I think you overestimate the appeal of being in a league regardless of the situation, and would argue that more players than you think would choose PSG over United right now. CR7 came to speak with PSG before he settled for United, just as an example. It's not easy to turn around a mess, especially when losing is as ingrained as it's been at United all these years. Just look at how long it took for Liverpool to get back to finding success, there's absolutely no amount of history that will make any difference to whether United can get over the hump or not.
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I googled them both for you and discovered that Dembele isn’t 10% of the player that Neymar is and that Bale has achieved way more at Madrid than Neymar has at PSG before he was benched, despite being half the player. Not great examples.
Neymar messed up going there, and I don’t think he has had the same motivation to play consistently. Why would he? There just isn’t the same domestic competition. Carnaval, birthdays, parties, poker, convenient cards. It all adds up and it’s hard to refute that more rigorous standards and competition may have increased his drive.
Like I said about United, we will see. Liverpool is another poor example. Their board have done very little bar backing the right man and reaping the results. They have failed him a few times in the transfer market, but he is such a quality coach that it didn’t matter. Their board haven’t done anything special.
The Glazers have generally always spent money, United just need the right team and the right coach to come along to get back on track. There was no special planning at Liverpool. They just got the right man in and started to make better decisions.
Will it take 25 years like Liverpool? It might! But again, that’s why this summer is so important. It’s an opportunity to start making better decisions under a new regime. No more Woodward, no more waste. I am optimistic of a new beginning.
The irony calling other team circus at the moment.
We're the biggest joke of Europe
We're the biggest joke of Europe
Poch to Man Utd? I find the whole idea extremely underwhelming. Frankly, l don't rate the guy, certainly not for a club like Man Utd esp considering the overwhelming pressure and impatience at the club right now. I still can't believe Man Utd didn't go for Klopp or Conte when they became available.
I think the point went over your head. It's not about the ability of the players, it's about availability. You seem to believe that somehow going to Madrid or Barcelona is going to immunize players from injuries, which is obviously wrong. Neymar loves playing football, he isn't taking time off to play poker while being fit to play, that's just not true.
I haven't said anything about Liverpool's board, and they've had good coaches in the past, it's still taken them until Klopp (and sticking by him for a few seasons) to finally find success again after decades. Their history and past glory did nothing to speed that up, same for United so prestige and past glory really has nothing to do with actually finding solutions to United's problem.
I just found it ironic that you didn't see you're in a glass house when you're throwing your stones about player power and a circus. I don't think PSG is perfect by any means, but United's got bigger issues to concern themselves with IMO. Between those interim managerial appointments, the leaks about trainings, the players bad-mouthing the coaching staff...I don't read those stories coming out of PSG, and we have plenty of scummy journalists on our side of the pond that can't wait to come out with those.
It's good that you're optimistic, and I hope you're right. I don't know if Ragnick is the man or not, but it'd be good that they at least stick with his vision, hire a manager he feels is best for what his plan is, and just follow through with it and see where the chips fall. Liverpool stuck by Klopp and it paid off, but it took a long time. Manchester United will always have an attraction for certain managers to revive the club, but the pull of the club for actual players is as low as it's been in a long time, and that will be a major challenge to compete with the rest of the PL.
Erik ten Hag: Ajax (hugely overperformed)
Pochettino: Espanyol (at par), Southampton (overperformed), Tottenham (overperformed), PSG (at par or slightly underperformed)
Poch has the broad experience in managing across 3 leagues (including EPL) so he is more exposed to different philosophies in real-world game-time, has goodwill from fans in 3 out of his 4 previous clubs (could be 4 in 4 if PSG does well in CL), has overperformed with 2 teams in the EPL, has reached a CL final, has experience of managing a team filled with egos (PSG) and is also likely to have the experience of winning a League title this season.
Its an absolute no-brainer as to who is more likely to succeed at United.
Pochettino: Espanyol (at par), Southampton (overperformed), Tottenham (overperformed), PSG (at par or slightly underperformed)
Poch has the broad experience in managing across 3 leagues (including EPL) so he is more exposed to different philosophies in real-world game-time, has goodwill from fans in 3 out of his 4 previous clubs (could be 4 in 4 if PSG does well in CL), has overperformed with 2 teams in the EPL, has reached a CL final, has experience of managing a team filled with egos (PSG) and is also likely to have the experience of winning a League title this season.
Its an absolute no-brainer as to who is more likely to succeed at United.
I think we approached Klopp in 2014 but he wasn't ready to leave Dortmund. Then when he did leave them, we had LvG and things looked like going in fine direction under him at that time.
Will be interesting to see PSG tonight against Real Madrid. It's not Real from 4 or 5 years ago, but they are kings of Champions League, and Ancelotti is as well. On the other hand, it's a strong PSG team (even though they haven't been great this season) with Messi in it, winning another CL is probably only real goal he has in club football before retiring.
Paul Merson thinks we should not go for Poch so if there was any doubt Poch is the man for us I am now convinced.
Mbappé is outperforming both his xpG and xpA so far this season both in L1 and in the CL. He isn't scoring and assisting more because the appalling PSG general play does not allow him to have more opportunities to score or assist.
I dunno about Poch, unless he gets PSG to play like brasil 70, score 10 goals a game, win 5 consecutive CL trophies, then i have my doubts hes good enough for utd.
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