Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Oly Francis said:
A couple of things go our way though :
- Mendy and Casimero will be suspended for the 2nd leg, and Casemiro is VERY important in their team balance. Also, it might force Alaba on the left and Nacho is a pretty meh center back
- Ancelotti only plays with 12-13 players, he doesn't rotate much. Real dropped important points lately so they'll have to be serious in La Liga when we don't really have to do that in Ligue 1.

Things that can go against us :
- Benzema and Vinicius can't be worst than tonight. It was good ol' 2020 Vini.
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Benzema definitely wasn't at 100%, I think he was rushed back from injury for this.

It seems to me that the players, i.e Mbappe and Neymar seem to be really up for it in the UCL compared to the few league games I've seen them, I even saw Messi contribute defensively which is rare.

I don't get the criticism of Poch tbh, think he's had a tough run in the UCL since he's become manager, facing Barca, Bayern, City 4x, United twice and Leipzig 4x and I don't think he can really be blamed for the attackers lack of effort and interest in the league. What's your opinion as a PSG fan as you've probably seen a lot more games than me ?

I was really impressed with PSG, I think they're definitely the favourites with City.
 
Real Madrid to the rescue. Though, I think they will win in Spain in a convincing manner and Poch will get sacked instead. They should still go for him in the summer. :D
 
I would take ETH over Poch but I fear we may lose both Poch as well as ETH. Real surely will go for Poch or ETH. And we may end up with Rangnick continuing for the season or even worse Rodgers as our manager.
 
the_cliff said:
Benzema definitely wasn't at 100%, I think he was rushed back from injury for this.

It seems to me that the players, i.e Mbappe and Neymar seem to be really up for it in the UCL compared to the few league games I've seen them, I even saw Messi contribute defensively which is rare.

I don't get the criticism of Poch tbh, think he's had a tough run in the UCL since he's become manager, facing Barca, Bayern, City 4x, United twice and Leipzig 4x and I don't think he can really be blamed for the attackers lack of effort and interest in the league. What's your opinion as a PSG fan as you've probably seen a lot more games than me ?
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That's been the case under Tuchel as well though, they play very disciplined within the CL format. Would be strange if they wouldn't. Thing is they did it mostly in the domestic, "lesser" games as well during the first two seasons with Tuchel and somehow stopped after that. After the CL final, couple of posters already said it they had serious problems with injuries, covid-cases, no pre-season and the mental impact the lost final had without time to recover so there were excuses IMO. Now their circus approach creates tons of distractions and it remains to be seen if it's not a huge disadvantage to turn on the engine every now and then. Doubt it.

They show so little for such a huge impact squad that I totally understand the critical view regarding Poch.


Also: Chelsea let RM look like amateurs last CL season already twice..ageing and slow midfield that can't cope with a very structural and physical opponent. That's the very same midfield now, only even older. Same ol' Benzema being the sole consistent attacking threat with Hazard being out of form and Bale a side-note and Vine and Rodrygo who get hyped every now and then to finally made the step from wc-talent to a wc-player who turns up when he has to...yet I never see them in the "big games" against eye to eye opponents. (bit harsh I know)
 
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Cloud7 said:
Am I remembering wrong or was Poch not linked with the Real job before? I feel like he was sometime around the end of his Spurs stint.
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He was. IIRC about two months after he joined 'em..
 
AshRK said:
I would take ETH over Poch but I fear we may lose both Poch as well as ETH. Real surely will go for Poch or ETH. And we may end up with Rangnick continuing for the season or even worse Rodgers as our manager.
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Wayne Rooney would be the guy the Glazers would think the fan base would love.
 
weetee said:
That's been the case under Tuchel as well though, they play very disciplined within the CL format. Would be strange if they wouldn't. Thing is they did it mostly in the domestic, "lesser" games as well during the first two seasons with Tuchel and somehow stopped after that. After the CL final, couple of posters already said it they had serious problems with injuries, covid-cases, no pre-season and the mental impact the lost final had without time to recover so there were excuses IMO. Now their circus approach creates tons of distractions and it remains to be seen if it's not a huge disadvantage to turn on the engine every now and then. Doubt it.

They show so little for such a huge impact squad that I totally understand the critical view regarding Poch.


Also: Chelsea let RM look like amateurs last CL season already twice..ageing and slow midfield that can't cope with a very structural and physical opponent. That's the very same midfield now, only even older. Same ol' Benzema being the sole consistent attacking threat with Hazard being out of form and Bale a side-note and Vine and Rodrygo who get hyped every now and then to finally made the step from wc-talent to a wc-player who turns up when he has to...yet I never see them in the "big games" against eye to eye opponents. (bit harsh I know)
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To be fair to Poch, the addition of Icardi and Messi has only added to the circus like feel around the club, meanwhile, Tuchel barring Neymar had a much more disciplined squad. The Mbappe of today is also a lot different to the young hungry Mbappe that first joined PSG under Tuchel, Mbappe is now a superstar on the level of a Neymar/Messi which wasn't the case when Tuchel took over.

Also in terms of the performances I find PSGs performance against Madrid a lot better than Chelsea's although the score line shows differently. On another day this game would've ended 5-0, at no point in time did Madrid even look slightly threatening and PSG really outplayed them in every aspect.
 
the_cliff said:
To be fair to Poch, the addition of Icardi and Messi has only added to the circus like feel around the club, meanwhile, Tuchel barring Neymar had a much more disciplined squad. The Mbappe of today is also a lot different to the young hungry Mbappe that first joined PSG under Tuchel, Mbappe is now a superstar on the level of a Neymar/Messi which wasn't the case when Tuchel took over.

Also in terms of the performances I find PSGs performance against Madrid a lot better than Chelsea's although the score line shows differently. On another day this game would've ended 5-0, at no point in time did Madrid even look slightly threatening and PSG really outplayed them in every aspect.
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Icardi played under TT already (and as great as his start was with a lot of goals in the first 10ish games he hit rock bottom already under Tuchel resulting in Choupo Moting being first attacking sub in their last CL run.) as did Cavani who was already heavy in decline back then (for a system TT installed) although some kind of living legend for the club so still had to be integrated (you probably remember that "scandal" about who takes the pens? With Cavan getting a somewhat 1m bonus to let Neymar take the pens?). The circus was there from day one - at least ever since Neymar joined. And I guess that is supposed to be part of their brand to always stay in the focus of the media. At least Poch is, publicly at least, completely backed by Leonardo which never happened for Tuchel and is a major factor as to how much power a coach has over the players. So PSG playing more disciplined under TT than Poch doesn't sound better keeping that in mind.

Also, Mbappé was already a super star before TT joined and it already showed. Giving no handshake after being subbed in a meaningless, already decided game previous to an important CL match for example. There is a quote of Tuchel that he arrived very enthusiastic on his very second day on the training ground and received a surprise crisis meeting by the entourage of Mbappé because Tuchel was praising Neymar as brilliant and Mbappé only as outstanding in his first press conference for PSG the day before. (not sure about the exact words used but that was the essence).

But sure, adding Messi to the lot "didn't help" although we should all agree that this sounds crazy as well since Messi is still an exceptional player.

I have nothing against Poch but it's imo quite hard to judge his input and work there.

Disagree a bit with the part about Chelsea's performance against RM because they couldn't touch 'em either and that was a team without any super striker at all - let alone 3 of those.
 
AshRK said:
I would take ETH over Poch but I fear we may lose both Poch as well as ETH. Real surely will go for Poch or ETH. And we may end up with Rangnick continuing for the season or even worse Rodgers as our manager.
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If that happens, we can just sign Poch next year after he’s sacked by RM.
 


Even though psg played really well, Pochettino was really let down by poor finishing. I don’t know how costly that will be in the next leg. But if real madrid attacks, more Mbappe pace on counter should hurt them. It should be a more open leg in the next fixture. Psg though will have to incorporate Neymar, Messi and Mbappe together and before Neymar injury that front three was not working. Adding someone that work more offer more balance to that front line. If I was Pochettino, I would drop Messi play wilijinaldum as the false 9. Overload the midfield and give more legs to the attack. I m sure that will be impossible because Messi is to big to be dropped, but such a game would need more industry and pace upfront. Neymar will be able to do what Messi does, and Neymar has more work ethic.


-------------------Donaruma----------------
Danilo - Marquinhos - Kimbemepe
Hakimi - Paredes - Verratti - Mendes
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-------------neymar ------------- mbappe-------
 
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the_cliff said:
To be fair to Poch, the addition of Icardi and Messi has only added to the circus like feel around the club, meanwhile, Tuchel barring Neymar had a much more disciplined squad. The Mbappe of today is also a lot different to the young hungry Mbappe that first joined PSG under Tuchel, Mbappe is now a superstar on the level of a Neymar/Messi which wasn't the case when Tuchel took over.

Also in terms of the performances I find PSGs performance against Madrid a lot better than Chelsea's although the score line shows differently. On another day this game would've ended 5-0, at no point in time did Madrid even look slightly threatening and PSG really outplayed them in every aspect.
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There is no particular circus at PSG. Also Icardi plays for PSG since 2019 and there is no circus around him that is remotely linked to the club. Neymar has also not been an issue in terms of disciplined. If you want to name an undisciplined player it will be Verratti before that it was around Lavezzi.
 
the_cliff said:
I don't get the criticism of Poch tbh, think he's had a tough run in the UCL since he's become manager, facing Barca, Bayern, City 4x, United twice and Leipzig 4x and I don't think he can really be blamed for the attackers lack of effort and interest in the league. What's your opinion as a PSG fan as you've probably seen a lot more games than me ?
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My opinion is that we're doing good in the final stage of the CL so far but that it's terrible in ligue 1. It seems that is pretty good at preparing the team for one specific game but that he's unable to set up a long term gameplan. The team shows no consistancy at all (and no it's not about the "ego" or the "circus" people like to bring forward here, because we had periods without Neymar/Messi and it was still terrible).
 
Poch has really wrecked the finishing ability of his attackers. Shite coach.
 
Oly Francis said:
My opinion is that we're doing good in the final stage of the CL so far but that it's terrible in ligue 1. It seems that is pretty good at preparing the team for one specific game but that he's unable to set up a long term gameplan. The team shows no consistancy at all (and no it's not about the "ego" or the "circus" people like to bring forward here, because we had periods without Neymar/Messi and it was still terrible).
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Well you say its been terrible in the league and yet you are 13 points clear.

Can see why people say stuff like "players aren't that motivated/up for the league games".....

I'll defend Poch a bit here. Hasn't there always been talk of PSG looking to replace him after this season. Maybe Poch sees it as a very temporary thing himself and wants out after this season? So a long term gameplan wouldn't make sense for him.

I heard from my PSG fan mates that he hasn't really been one of the fan's own as people initially expected but been rather distant.

Can these conflicts be the reason? Because he had a great gameplan and systems in his previous jobs and it was one of the main reasons he was hot property in 2020.

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Well, what's meant by "delivering in the CL"? A semi final run atleast??

Don't know what Madridistas are expecting this season.

Pexbo said:
Poch has really wrecked the finishing ability of his attackers. Shite coach.
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Yeah he probably doesn't allow these poor attackers to do proper finishing sessions in training. He hasn't even been able to get Ramos fully fit yet!! Awful lad.

AshRK said:
I would take ETH over Poch but I fear we may lose both Poch as well as ETH. Real surely will go for Poch or ETH. And we may end up with Rangnick continuing for the season or even worse Rodgers as our manager.
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Just out of curiosity why on Earth hasn't a bigger club in a bigger league(yeah, I know Ajax are a massive club but you know what I mean) lured ETH away yet? I remember he has been very highly rated ever since that Ajax UCL semi final run....
 
TenonTen said:
Well you say its been terrible in the league and yet you are 13 points clear.

Can see why people say stuff like "players aren't that motivated/up for the league games".....

I'll defend Poch a bit here. Hasn't there always been talk of PSG looking to replace him after this season. Maybe Poch sees it as a very temporary thing himself and wants out after this season? So a long term gameplan wouldn't make sense for him.

I heard from my PSG fan mates that he hasn't really been one of the fan's own as people initially expected but been rather distant.

Can these conflicts be the reason? Because he had a great gameplan and systems in his previous jobs and it was one of the main reasons he was hot property in 2020.
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1) We don't deserve this lead with a lot of pretty fortunate late goals. Also, we play in Ligue 1 with Messi, Mbappé, Neymar, Mbappé, Marquinhos, Hakimi, Di Maria...

2) I don't buy the motivation bit, it was bad last season when we lost the league and at the begining of this season when the gap was smaller. Also, a lot of hardworking and humble players like Wijnaldum, Gueye, Herrera etc. were equally bad.

3) The club wants him replaced because apparently he felt like leaving 4 months into the job, and also because we play poorly, that's the consequence not the cause

4) You're totally right, he's been distant since the very beginnin, he never tried to create a bond that was handed to him as a former PSG captain. He still doesn't speak french and his press conference are absolutely boring.
 
TenonTen said:
Well, what's meant by "delivering in the CL"? A semi final run atleast??
Don't know what Madridistas are expecting this season.
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Nothing.
I'm sure Ancelotti can be fired, but not for failing to win the CL.

RM more or less 'threw' the last two seasons, almost no signings, betting it all on getting Mbappe next year + inaugurating the improved Bernabeu.
 
If we don't get into Champions League we could find it hard to get a top manager to come here.
Unless there is a miracle with the Glazers pumping in money for 5/6 top players.
 
Lost AGAIN in the league tonight.
 
Pexbo said:
Lost AGAIN in the league tonight.
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Doesn't matter much, still walking the league.

I would like to remind people that they've had less than stellar performances domestically in the past, but still going far in the UCL.
 
Pexbo said:
Lost AGAIN in the league tonight.
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You say again like he keeps doing it. It's their 2nd loss of the season though right?

And they're walking the league.Bit of a nothing occurance.
 
VP89 said:
You say again like he keeps doing it. It's their 2nd loss of the season though right?

And they're walking the league.Bit of a nothing occurance.
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AGAIN
 
Cloud7 said:
Am I remembering wrong or was Poch not linked with the Real job before? I feel like he was sometime around the end of his Spurs stint.
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It was in 2018. Glaston would repeatedly claim Poch turned down Real Madrid to sign a new contract at Spurs, when in actuality he signed the contract before Zidane announced he was stepping down as RM manager.
 
They're 13 points ahead of second place in Ligue 1. Let's not lose the head over this.
 
Is the Dutch league any worse to the French? I don’t think so. Ten Haag has to be our number 1 target. Gets Ajax playing beautiful football consistently and he’s proved that he can get them competing in the champions league also. He would also improve most of our players. He’s made a West Ham reject turn into the champions league top goalscorer. Enough said.
 
I would back Neil Warnock to win the league with PSG. They have several of the world's best players and should be winning the league and competing for the Champions league.
 
DJ_21 said:
Is the Dutch league any worse to the French? I don’t think so. Ten Haag has to be our number 1 target. Gets Ajax playing beautiful football consistently and he’s proved that he can get them competing in the champions league also. He would also improve most of our players. He’s made a West Ham reject turn into the champions league top goalscorer. Enough said.
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Yes, it is.

The UEFA coefficient speaks for itself.

Eredivisie isn't better than Portuguese league either.
 
Adnan said:
I would back Neil Warnock to win the league with PSG. They have several of the world's best players and should be winning the league and competing for the Champions league.
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I would back Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to not win the league with this PSG and have them in the Europa league. Tbf.
 
Wolf1992 said:
Yes, it is.

The UEFA coefficient speaks for itself.

Eredivisie isn't better than Portuguese league either.
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Alright put it like this then… Ajax don’t have messi, Neymar and mbappe. If you can’t win every single game with that front 3 then you’ve got problems.
 
Mainoldo said:
Me too and I’d still back Ole to win nothing managing them.
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I think even Solskjaer would manage to win the league with state backing. And he's already shown in the EPL that he can manage a team to a higher league finish than Pochettino.
 
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