feck knows, was in the telegraph, couldnt read it all as its paywalled.
I thought some sort of sanction would happen, but i dont think it'll involve losing their relevant clubs. I think it'll just be a travel ban to UK, which RA has already
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I thought some sort of sanction would happen, but i dont think it'll involve losing their relevant clubs. I think it'll just be a travel ban to UK, which RA has already
Has Tuchel had to answer any questions on this yet? 
Agreed and now he has to sell the club in my opinion
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Has Tuchel had to answer any questions on this yet?
Why would he need to? I get there will be knee jerk reactions from opposition team’s fans. It would be weird that any Russian citizen would be held accountable for Putin’s actions. Roman just won a case against publications that claimed he has direct ties to Putin.
He most likely won't have to. We're mostly just discussing worst case scenario in here, which will likely never happen.
He is quite possibly the best owner in the league. There’s no embarrassment to be had. He paid for NHS workers to stay at the hotel for free during the pandemic. He didn’t furlough anyone and kept them on full pay and has done a lot for the club. It’s the UK that’s tried to disrespect him on numerous occasions and always fallen flat on their faces. The only ones who should be embarrassed are the ones trying to sanction him without evidence.
As pressure mounts to punish oligarchs for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, Roman Abramovich has a multibillion-dollar insurance policy should the U.K. come after his assets: his beloved Chelsea FC.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidd...2-billion-loan-to-chelsea-fc/?sh=3d13f34c1be7
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidd...2-billion-loan-to-chelsea-fc/?sh=3d13f34c1be7
it wont happen. Plus you should be careful what you wish for as if he did sell us, itd likely be someone just as wealthy, if not more, buying us
Abramovic and Mansour, just like all oligarch money launderers, should both be stripped of our football clubs.
What is the point of having a fit and proper persons test with the aim of preventing corrupt or untrustworthy people from ownership of our clubs when these two vlatant thieving and cheating oligarchs are given carte blanche to clean up our trophies year in year out?
What is the point of having a fit and proper persons test with the aim of preventing corrupt or untrustworthy people from ownership of our clubs when these two vlatant thieving and cheating oligarchs are given carte blanche to clean up our trophies year in year out?
You don't know if it will happen or not.
And no it's not at all likely that another shady-money, oligarch type will be allowed purchase Chelsea after Abramovic.
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The guy who had an American reporter slaughtered, and is the actual crown prince of a gestating sea of human rights violations, including the financing of Syrian gas’s attacks that amounted to genocide was JUST allowed to buy Newcastle.
The Premiere League has zero moral high ground.
Roman is former Russian citizen who was encouraged/forced to sell his oil company to the state run Gazprom nearly two decades ago. People who think he even likes Putin don’t understand how any of those dynamics actually work, or don’t care to try because they simply don’t like Chelsea. You smile for pictures, shake hands, and sell when Putin tells you to sell… or he kills you. Roman took his money and essentially escaped . He is an Israeli citizen and doesn’t control any interests that would even qualify as Russian or sanctionable. Over the top xenophobia is not exactly the recipe we need right now. In fact, the smart play and morally correct play would be to support dissident and ex patriot Russians who oppose Putin.
The Premiere League has zero moral high ground.
Roman is former Russian citizen who was encouraged/forced to sell his oil company to the state run Gazprom nearly two decades ago. People who think he even likes Putin don’t understand how any of those dynamics actually work, or don’t care to try because they simply don’t like Chelsea. You smile for pictures, shake hands, and sell when Putin tells you to sell… or he kills you. Roman took his money and essentially escaped . He is an Israeli citizen and doesn’t control any interests that would even qualify as Russian or sanctionable. Over the top xenophobia is not exactly the recipe we need right now. In fact, the smart play and morally correct play would be to support dissident and ex patriot Russians who oppose Putin.
Yes he bribed his way into Netanyahu's inner circle by giving millions of dollars to illegal settlements in Palestinian areas.
It remains to be seen whether he really has enough goodwill with the current Israeli government for them to defend him and his activities in England.
That guy is a friend of the UK. The UK is helping the Saudis slaughter kids in Yemen. So totally irrelevant.
Before selling his oil company, he was gifted that company for other illegal exchanges with the russian regime.
The more I think about it, not only should Chelsea be taken from him, Stanford Bridge should be torn down, stone by stone; then loaded on a cargo jet and dropped on the Kremlin Just kidding (sort of)
What illegal exchanges? There were many difficulties in converting. “State owned” industries into privatized endeavors. That program was overseen by a Harvard international investment development think tank, USAID, the Worldbank and other entities. If people do not like the results of the program, especially after Putin took over from Yeltsin and hijacked it, then that’s understandable. But Roman was following rules set up by international treaty to build his businesses, and when the direction of those programs started to radically change under Putin, Abramovich made every effort to cash out and distance himself.
People are acting like he’s an inner circle oligarch like Oleg Deripaska … and that simply isn’t true.
Why would you think that? Sort of?
Umm, it was a joke and I'm a United fan. I think you can work it out from there.
Unbelievable that people are supporting him. I guess sports washing actually works. All hail Abramovich! Next King of England! Why not. He treated his staff fairly when they had covid and gave money to charity. He is obviously pious and holy. Trump and Abramovich! Trump and Abramovich! Trump and Abramovich! The leaders to take us to the new world!
Your club's owner is a genocide enabler, defending him just because he bought you some trophies isn't a good look.
It's actually quite bizarre how the western world acts now while they are more than happy to turn a blind eye to all the monstrosities caused by their allies or even themselves. How can they even consider forcing Abramovich to sell Chelsea when not long ago they were more than happy to accept Saudis money? I really don't get this world anymore.
You should not be throwing around horrific allegations of which you obviously have no basis for.
With regards to Abramovich, we still live in a rule based society where governments can't just strip people of their assets without due process.
The club must surely be seized from Roman? Are the government going to take a proper stance on it?
We have numerous laws, polices and procedures to stop financing from illicit regimes. There is no court of law that you have to go through. It is imposed by sanctions and other means. Thats why the likes of the Swiss bank is in trouble for turning a blind eye to where the money is coming from. You think that a multi billionaire from Al Quedia should be allowed to buy a football club? What about North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq? What if they are nice guys? Give to charity? Where do you hold your moral compass if you have one. Just because we have not taken Abramovich to court and proven links to Putin, he is still part of that regime.
Lets make it easier. Lets say there is the biggest drugs cartel in the world. Human trafficking, prostitution, drugs, money laundering etc. The lot. One guy turns up one day and says he was part of them but he is legit. All he did was sell donuts to the drug dealers when they got the munchies and he ended up richer than them. Nice guy. You gonna let him in your house? Let him play with your kids? But he's innocent no? No criminal history?
There are hundreds of these villains that actually seem clean. Maybe just maybe there are some genuine legit people in amongst them. But how are you going to tell. Take them all to court? Even then how do you prove it? Or do you just say lets not let anyone that was part of a murderous dictatorship in our house.
Do you know what happened to the Nazis after the war? They were assimilated into society. In the US, in Argentina, all over. For years governments have been trying to put cases against them and some of them were eventually brought to justice. People in the communities say they were nice guys. But they were the ones that killed thousands of people.
Do I hate all Germans and Russians? No. I have lots of Russian and German friends. I work with them. I dont think anyone should start attacking Russians in the community. I am strongly opposed to that and I will stand up for any of them if someone starts giving them abuse. Every one I know are against the war. Its not their fault. But would I let a Nazi own a large company? Nope. Would I let a billionaire that's part of Putin's regime own a football club or any other large institution, buy farm land etc. Nope. Same goes for Saudis or any other fanatical regime. There is no innocent until proven guilty in these cases. There is just common sense.
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None of the numerous laws has been deemed to be applicable to Abramovich in several decades now, so I do not understand why you bring them up. It speaks against your position.
With regards to sanctions; sure they are different to laws and once implemented they can be used in an indiscriminate way. But throwing around sanctions against individuals to strip them of their property rights, with weak evidence of them being complicit in XYZ, is like scoring an own goal. It will will lead to the slow deterioration of a rule based society. Even sanctions have to follow a due process at the end of day.
You are thinking small scale. Like John down the road is innocent until proven guilty. Which I agree with. But we have entered a whole different ball game. A whole different stratosphere. We are talking about tyrannical regimes and dictatorships. In this there is only right and wrong. Im not talking about sending in the SAS to raid his house and kill his dog. Yes follow the rules and regulations and whatever policies we need to. But at the end of the day he is part of a unstable dictatorship government. Lets firstly admit that. Then lets not keep selling our assets to anyone with links to unstable regimes. Then lets do what is necessary to remove them in a legitimate way by which I mean lets not kill his dog but lets force him to sell up of whatever action is necessary.
Do you not at least agree with that? Or do you think he is a nice guy and good for Chelsea and should be left alone.
Asset confiscation, Comrade Stalin would be proud. The reason such things are not done, at least not without a lot of due process and evidence for why it should happen, is that you then destroy the confidence of anyone to own UK based assets. If the government can simply seize them because they don't like you or the country you're from. It's the kind of thing tin pot dictators (and communists!) do and then a large part of the reason why their countries usually turn in to holes where no one wants to live.... Just look at Cuba and Venezuela!
Abramovich owning us is no worse people connected to W Bush owning clubs 20 years ago when the US invaded Iraq. Abramovich is not directly involved in Russian politics, Putin or the Kremlin, he just happens to be Russian. I guess the logic is the people in western countries are better than everyone else, so when they start wars of aggression based on flimsy evidence which subsequently is shown to be totally false, "it doesn't count" and they don't face any consequences.
If there is some evidence Abramovich is responsible for what is happening in Ukraine or that he has any influence over Putin and what he is doing, let it be presented and then it judged on it's merits or not.
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You are absolutely right and I doubt that such evidence exists. While we can be sure that Abramovich did some dubious business when the Soviet Union collapsed (as there was a total vacuum of rules and laws at the time), it doesn't seem like he is in any way involved in anything political currently.
That's not how it works. If we go after the Russian dark money and stop the money laundering then all Russian oligarchs will be stripped of their ill gained UK assets including your beloved butcher Abramovic and his toy acquisition of Chelsea fc for the purpose of sportswashing his name.
None of the trophies paid for by Abramovic means a thing. In fact your club should be stripped of all trophies purchased by the blood money too.
It is only Chelsea fans trying hard to make excuses for him.
Chelsea about to become real irrelevant over night.
Least with United it was a process
Least with United it was a process
If it turns out Roman had direct involvement in this he should get the book thrown at him.
What i will also say is anyone using a war that will kill I dread to think how many people to score cheap points in regards to football are despicable and need a good slap.
What i will also say is anyone using a war that will kill I dread to think how many people to score cheap points in regards to football are despicable and need a good slap.
I think it is people who stand up for truth and justice, and those who can think critically in relation to complex issues.
I do not think it is fair to level such accusations against people without proof. That it is liked by a Redcafe moderator does not make it acceptable either. Calling people butchers with no justification is disgraceful. We have to have higher standards.
I think RA should be judged through the lens of justice and fairness. Other then the concerns for justice and fairness, I have no dog in this fight.
Let them take a stance on the Saudis first. Hypocritical clowns.
Agreed.
Are you for real ? You come on a United forum stating that anyone who criticises butcher Abramovic's sportswashing ownership of Chelsea, during this moment when Putin invades Ukraine, deserves a good slap ?
You do realise Putin and Abramovic are very close allies.
I suppose you think your some kind of international gangsta who can dish out a good slapping to anyone who calls out the butcher gangsta who you obviously worship.
Get a grip fella.
The only persons here who deserve a good slapping are Abramovic fan boys defending Putin's pal, the despicable henchman who has bought your little club some trophies with his blood money.
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