Even if they factored it in in advance there's no getting around the huge financial impact it would have. The Chinese system you mention is less that 0.5% the size of SWIFT for example. As an alternative it can only help ameliorate the impact so much when so much of your economy depends on being able to make international transfers on a day to day basis.
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Even if they factored it in in advance there's no getting around the huge financial impact it would have. The Chinese system you mention is less that 0.5% the size of SWIFT for example. As an alternative it can only help ameliorate the impact so much when so much of your economy depends on being able to make international transfers on a day to day basis.
Is it fair to think that this list needs to be updated?
I know that invading is always more difficult than defending. But, even so, the Ruskies aren't covering themselves in glory.
I think there's a good chance other countries get involved inside Ukraine, because not doing so would be a green light for Putin to continue using them and killing thousands of civilians in the process.
I found an interested article, for anyone who has some few minutes to spare.
Just a small sneek peek;
A letter to the Western Left from Kyiv
"When the war began in Donbas in 2014, my father joined the far-Right Aidar battalion as a volunteer, my mother fled Luhansk, and my grandfather and grandmother stayed in their village which fell under the control of the ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’. My grandfather condemned Ukraine’s Euromaidan revolution. He supports Putin, who, he says, has “restored order in Russia”. Nevertheless, we all try to keep talking to each other (though not about politics) and to help each other. I try to be sympathetic towards them. After all, my grandfather and grandmother spent their whole life working on a collective farm. My father was a construction worker. Life has not been kind to them.
The events of 2014 – revolution followed by war – pushed me in the opposite direction of most people in Ukraine. The war killed nationalism in me and pushed me to the Left. I want to fight for a better future for humanity, and not for the nation. My parents, with their post-Soviet trauma, do not understand my socialist views. My father is condescending about my ‘pacifism’, and we had a nasty conversation after I showed up at an anti-fascist protest with a picket sign calling for the disbanding of the far-Right Azov regiment. "
Just a small sneek peek;
A letter to the Western Left from Kyiv
"When the war began in Donbas in 2014, my father joined the far-Right Aidar battalion as a volunteer, my mother fled Luhansk, and my grandfather and grandmother stayed in their village which fell under the control of the ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’. My grandfather condemned Ukraine’s Euromaidan revolution. He supports Putin, who, he says, has “restored order in Russia”. Nevertheless, we all try to keep talking to each other (though not about politics) and to help each other. I try to be sympathetic towards them. After all, my grandfather and grandmother spent their whole life working on a collective farm. My father was a construction worker. Life has not been kind to them.
The events of 2014 – revolution followed by war – pushed me in the opposite direction of most people in Ukraine. The war killed nationalism in me and pushed me to the Left. I want to fight for a better future for humanity, and not for the nation. My parents, with their post-Soviet trauma, do not understand my socialist views. My father is condescending about my ‘pacifism’, and we had a nasty conversation after I showed up at an anti-fascist protest with a picket sign calling for the disbanding of the far-Right Azov regiment. "
Yeah... Serious
It should be punished immediately and militarily but as sadly I can't see it happening
There's a few who believe NATO only get involved when NATO gets attacked.
Yeh I don't buy it either.
Yeah, that's my point. The financial impact is unheard of and yet they have planned for it and done it anyway.
They are not elite fighters. Just a scary name. The longer they should stay and fight they will die. It's just a scare tactic with some killers name, nothing else. Pro soldiers of Ukraine care not for these monkeys.
Depends what you mean unpunished. Russia is getting heavily punished.
I don't expect NATO to directly intervene even if that happens. It happened in Aleppo for example, and well, except some aerial strikes, NATO didn't fully enter. US used them itself in Afghanistan, though it was in the caves.
In addition, even if Russia uses them, it will probably be strategically, rather than trying to fully level Kyiv.
However, it will almost certainly mean that the sanctions are gonna go a step further, and wouldn't be surprised to see a full embargo in Russia by tomorrow.
I am with you on this one, Raoul. Using thermobaric bombs in a sieged and densely populated city is a genocide and a war crime. Biden and Co will react.
What do you think will happen then? You guys are being very vague about "getting involved". A lot of NATO countries are already involved.
I'm assume you expect them to put boots on the ground and join in?
It could guarantee that the US send a team to pick up Putin at some point. It feels a bit crazy to say but it wouldn't surprise me.
Exactly. NATO is already heavily involved. That's what all of these sanctions and supply of weapons are about: NATO involvement. That has a limit, and the limit is direct conflict on the ground.
I don't think they will get involved. I have quite a lot of friends from Serbia and from their experience, this will worsen things 10 fold.
Mass rocket attacks on civilian areas with such weapons will result in a breach of the convention and I am pretty sure the US and UK would get involved
Have you read it??
I also believe it will worsen things, I still think it will happen.
Nope. Only the content summary on Wiki.
And risk armageddon? Nah
Look at that tweet.
The US and UK will get involved without NATO in my opinion in such circumstances
Yep.
Hilarious that the mighty Russian army has to use these hired militia to so their fighting
I do not expect to see NATO soldiers on Ukranian soil, but I do expect to see aviation and rockets, if TOS 1 are used.
Ah ok,
That's probably enough to get the premise I'd imagine
Seems like a challenging read!!
Exactly.
Yeah it sounds like some Hollywood Jason Bourne-type shit, but I do wonder how much we will revisit this topic in the coming weeks.
Obviously I don’t want it but if Russia goes there I feel it will happen
The amount of kit NATO has up is implied by the number of tankers with their transponders on up at any one point - I don't think it'd be boots on the ground. It'd be denying them the ability to have the air space to drop more.
There seems to be at least 3 tankers up at all times.
Hope this can be the outcome, Putin’s cronies just have enough and then oust him themselves.
Would love someone to photoshop putins face over Theons.
Look at that tweet.
Who's this
President Zelenkyy just spoke with PM Boris Johnson.
He keeps posting bullshit. Not sure why he’s a favourite to be shared here.
I just do not understand why US/UK didn't send these weapons earlier, with their intelligence knowing that this is going to happen.
If they had a couple of Patriot anti aircraft systems, and more javelins, then they would be in a far better position to begin with.
If they had a couple of Patriot anti aircraft systems, and more javelins, then they would be in a far better position to begin with.
They might be decent warriors in their land. But in Europe, they are children. The Ukrainian Military will eat these guys for dinner and it's Putins fault for exposing them to certain death.
You’re saying that he’s either lying or the intelligence to which he is privy is flawed?