Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Starting with that russian troll mod would be nice.
I'll have a word with him.
The thing is, if I’m honest, from the few discussions you’ve been involved with, you clearly are not going to change your views. Even if some of them are clearly refuted. And not saying the “opposite” side aren’t in the same boat, but it’s a straw man argument to turn around to those people and basically say they are biased or misinformed. It’s hypocritical even. But the main point is it has nothing to do with this thread. Which is about Ukraine and Russian irrespective of whatever else is happening in the world.
Good post
If all us westerners admit we are horrible hypocrites who should have our handbags shit in and our faces pounded with a sack of dicks can you guys please move your off topic shit to a feck the West thread? As mentioned above by someone else I and others are using this thread to keep on top of things. This is an amazing multinational community of posters that is providing insight and info that’s is impossible to get anywhere else. Let’s keep that going. Also, we know we suck.
I kind of agree about that. But as you said if there are 3300 posts, some are bound to be off topic.
I don’t care about them, I care about this thread staying on track. If people want to sling insults or debate about other countries being invaded in the past take it to a new thread.
Good post
To be fair to people, this is an emotional situation to process and i don't think it's that surprising historic injustices and frustrations come to the fore. It's inevitably related.
I've personally no desire to argue those matters as feel like it's been done. I do however find the dismissive nature of just reducing everything else to whataboutery a bit callous from some.
I've personally no desire to argue those matters as feel like it's been done. I do however find the dismissive nature of just reducing everything else to whataboutery a bit callous from some.
While it's not run by Nazis, there is an element of them in the military apparatus, which is frankly terrifying:
Any updates on what caused that massive explosion? Was it actually a thermobaric bomb or a bomb hitting an object like fuel depot or something?
The sent £40m in aid though, which will be very helpful to the Ukrainian people.
I thought so.
China hold 3.2 trillion in USD in reserves iirc. I think China are probably watching on and factoring in a similar scenario against them in regards to Taiwan.
Do you think the US would be insane enough to try and freeze out China the way they did to Russia ?
I don't think the global economy would be able to stand such an event.
Shouldn't you rather apologize for actually founding what today is Russia?
Ha ha. Nope. I'm fine with things the way it is.
Just felt like pointing out how thread management aligns with global politics!
That convoy news was originally posted this morning across various twitter feeds, all Sky have done is verified it a day later.
It has nothing to do with that.
Russia have no choice, they cannot use the dollar
The problem is that a lot of the “everything else” is ridiculous posts like “where was the condemnation of Iraq?”
There is a very interesting nuanced debate to be had about actions of the west in the past and what Russia is doing now, but for it to be interesting it needs to be more intellectual than it has been in this thread which ends up coming across as people trying to score points.
And as a separate point that debate should obviously not be in this thread.
What do you mean pretense. Maybe you understand but given the nature of some of the responses it's clear most people don't have a clue or why Russia might take offense.
Actually i take that back. Given your last sentence neither do you.
Think it was an ammunitions warehouse or something. Someone posted an article about it but good luck trying to find it!
Ok, enlighten me then.
I realized that, but was under the impression Moscow/Russia was the one planning and financing the program and that they built things in Ukraine because it was part of the Union. So who decided who kept what after the Soviet dissolution. Anyway, I'm derailing the thread now.
I have to say, I am slightly uneasy about the very public support for Ukraine by the EU and the UK with regard to sending weapons and effectively waging a proxy war. I agree with the actions but I wonder about the wisdom of advertising it so openly.
It just gives the madman an excuse to curse at the clouds and the perceived slights against him and Russia in the past. Again, I don't think less public expression of support would do much to change his mind but it somewhat seems to me that politicians in the EU and the UK are using this as a bit of a PR opportunity based on the wide-ranging public support.
It just gives the madman an excuse to curse at the clouds and the perceived slights against him and Russia in the past. Again, I don't think less public expression of support would do much to change his mind but it somewhat seems to me that politicians in the EU and the UK are using this as a bit of a PR opportunity based on the wide-ranging public support.
I would have imagined this was discussed and put in motion Saturday and the plans readied for use and likely moved closer to border ready to be used soon as necessary.
The Asov battalion is a very nasty bunch for sure. It's also overused by russian propaganda to justify their invasion. Each and every time they have to fight dirty, it's because they're facing the Azov battalion. They're real, they have neo-nazi tendancies but their influence is vastly inflated by Russia.
What does this achieve. No value whatsoever.
Shouldn't you rather apologize for actually founding what today is Russia?
Oh, sorry. Forgot about that.
Well, I apologize and take some responsibility for it.
It’s a weird one for sure. And no doubt one of the reasons for the decisions European governments are taking is with a view to appeasing the public outcry across European cities.
This is still a discussion forum pal. I'm seeing more of these posts than actual posts going off topic.
I think its better to advertise it publicly as an act of transparency than do it clandestinely. The public will be more on board that way and will to a degree feel like they have the power to affect what happens in Ukraine.
The majority of the posts here are discussing on the topic. But with posters from multiple nations here, some posts are bound to go off topic or go against the flow. I don't think it hinders the thread that much.But if the mods feel that the thread is being derailed, I guess it is better to get people to stop talking about it.
Remaining passive gives Putin an upper hand. Some level of force has to be publicly announced.
I'm pretty sure NATO is confident that we can nullify his strategic nuclear threat if he uses it. No way we keep doing what we're doing without assurances.
I don't know how, and I hope we don't find out.
I don't know how, and I hope we don't find out.
Not sure these clips show what they claim. Nobody is being beaten up or attacked there.
All this shit has been debunked several times over now. If you only have passport of a third country and stayed in Ukraine until now, unsurprisingly you are going to have a very, very long wait to get through the border crossings if you only now choose to flee. Ukrainian and EU citizens are going to be prioritised for processing and that may well mean citizens of third countries waiting several days as demand for processing outstrips capacity. And no shit are the border guards going to be increasingly short on patience if people are where they shouldn’t be, refuse to listen to instructions or start trying to rush the border.
Maybe there is something to it in the sense of flexing muscles and showing Russia we can outspend them and outlast them. We did it with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan too.
Hmm. I’m not sure what to make of this.
“I don’t think it really matters if currently there Nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe” - So you are opposed to all conventional weapons in Eastern Europe? When you posted that video from Putin he said missiles pointed at Russia - if it’s not nuclear then you tell me what types of missiles he’s so infuriated by. Because the only ones that count are nuclear - if he, himself, is referring to Cuba. Regarding Ukraine, it had conventional missile systems left over from the USSR or purchased directly from Russia after Ukraine became independent. NATO wasn’t selling or supplying them until after the Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk invasions. Don’t post Russian disinformation unless you can back it up. And also … we all know what Putin in that propaganda video you took the time to post implied with “missiles pointed at Russia” - he implied and lied that they were nuclear.
“What do you mean 1997?” The Russian government, in its formal letter to the US demanded returns to pre-1997. So, Northem Macedonia was admitted in 2020? That justifies the invasion of Ukraine?
Christ, what a post. Jesus help me.
if you want to play Devil’s Advocate, at least understand the Devil you’re advocating for.
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We can't nullify it, that's a simple fact.
However we might be sure that the troops wouldn't fulfill the order to actually use nuclear weapons. It is likely that western intelligence knows quite well how the Russian army leaders think. We might be trying to force their hand to get rid of Putin and end this madness.