Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Just seen the pictures of Loma carrying an M16 assault rifle and wearing Ukraine military fatigues.

I know that the likes of Loma, Klitschkos and Usyk are more than capable of handling themselves, but it does underline the fact that the West needs to supply more support on the ground.

Still, the amount of respect for these guys just grows daily. Absolute warriors both inside and outside of the ring. True heroes.
 
This is the biggest downside of following events such as these on the major news networks. Much of the schedule is filled with news that has aged considerably by the time it is (re-)broadcast.

 
LDUred said:
Just seen the pictures of Loma carrying an M16 assault rifle and wearing Ukraine military fatigues.

I know that the likes of Loma, Klitschkos and Usyk are more than capable of handling themselves, but it does underline the fact that the West needs to supply more support on the ground.

Still, the amount of respect for these guys just grows daily. Absolute warriors both inside and outside of the ring. True heroes.
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Ukraine is currently 10/10 when it comes to the PR side of this invasion.
 
Interval said:
I’ve been mainly watching Al Jazeera and they’re fine. Much better than CNN or BBC in that they’re not spinning any narratives. The point he was trying to make was tone deaf but understandable in the sense that it isn’t the bottom of the pyramid people trying to escape poverty and famine but rather everyday people who are also caught up in this.

I know there’s been a lot said about detailing the thread. But westerners have to be open to the fact that the world doesn’t culturally behave the same way they do. We don’t see the world in a Eurocentric way and we don’t want to. We believe in the same values of humanity, freedom and independence and therefore will vehemently stand by Ukraine but doesn’t mean that we wouldn’t point out racism at border check posts and won’t see the duplicity in stances taken.
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Great post.

Worth going through the slides below on few of the instances that you're referring to:
 
Droid_Repairs said:
In a nutshell, no. Sadly.

From the BBC article I linked above 'Will Putin press the nuclear button?"
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This is unbelievably grim. Now that Russia has been cornered and basically destroyed without a single bullet being used, he’s at his most unpredictable. He hates the West too.
 
hellhunter said:
If Belarus join the war, I hope they're hit with the same kind of sanctions. I know they're restricted already, I don't know to what extend, though.
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They allowed russian troops to use their territory for troops and missile launches. While also having a prorussian dictator. They should already be on sanctions.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Its not just about him being a mad man in power. I think there are two reasons. One, if Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, Moscow will be very close and very vulnerable to any future attack from the West, with plain land and no mountains for protection etc in between, with Ukraine under his control Moscow is well protected by Ukraine from the West and the Black sea from the South. And two, he gets Ukraine's Oil Depots, stops paying rent for pipelines and also reopens the water supply to Crimea.
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Yes but those aren’t the reasons he’s shouting, my point entirely is instead he’s shouting mad stuff
 
hellhunter said:
They are for a while now, just not those economical war like sanctions. Yet.
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Afaik, they're on sanctions for rigging elections and suppressing civil unrest, that seems to have had a jackshit effect. Nothing done about supporting the war.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yes but those aren’t the reasons he’s shouting, my point entirely is instead he’s shouting mad stuff
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The 'he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine' stuff is old. He has specifically explained why he wants Ukraine and it's not for that reason.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Its not just about him being a mad man in power. I think there are two reasons. One, if Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, Moscow will be very close and very vulnerable to any future attack from the West, with plain land and no mountains for protection etc in between, with Ukraine under his control Moscow is well protected by Ukraine from the West and the Black sea from the South. And two, he gets Ukraine's Oil Depots, stops paying rent for pipelines and also reopens the water supply to Crimea.
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It's 2022, "The West" has no interest in going into Russia and both Latvia and Lithuania are closer and already members of NATO.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
He's specifically mentioned nuclear on lots of occasions, not 3 weeks ago he was saying that while Russia would struggle to compete with NATO conventionally, their nuclear weapons systems are world class and would result in "no winner". Then yesterday he raised the nuclear alert, followed by a state bulletin reminding us that his submarines alone carry 500 warheads, sufficient to deal with Europe and most of the USA. Now with the law change signed in by Lukashenko, we've effectively had the go ahead for Russian nukes to be placed in Belarus.
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Posture.
 
LDUred said:
Just seen the pictures of Loma carrying an M16 assault rifle and wearing Ukraine military fatigues.

I know that the likes of Loma, Klitschkos and Usyk are more than capable of handling themselves, but it does underline the fact that the West needs to supply more support on the ground.

Still, the amount of respect for these guys just grows daily. Absolute warriors both inside and outside of the ring. True heroes.
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Will be such a shame if anyone of them ends up killed or injured, some of the greatest boxers the world has ever seen. Respect.
 
Beans said:
Yeah but that's not why the "Coalition of the Willing" invaded.
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Not to derail, should have been enough to get involved though? They didn't need to invent made up weapons etc to justify removing him after what he had done I don't think
 
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MDFC Manager said:
Great post.

Worth going through the slides below on few of the instances that you're referring to:
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Yeah seen a lot of this and it's so ridiculous. I get we have so much going on but this stuff does need to be called out as often as possible
 
Thanks for the tags, I don't have it in me to go through the thread thoroughly anymore, checking different news sources already takes too much time & emotional effort.

Just a few updates on the protests in Russia — they're still happening although we're looking with envy at the anti-war marches in Berlin and the likes. We can't even get together properly as any group with more than 10-20 people has a target on its back. Since the beginning of the protests more than 6000 people had been arrested, 2791+ people were detained yesterday alone. The court dates are postponed, most will get a fine after spending a day in detainment, some will get a week or two, those who got caught for a second/third time already look at significant time behind bars. If you've been seen reposting the date of the meeting/suggesting a movement direction for your group etc., you get a significant time as a riot organiser.

Many people are losing their jobs — something that I'll probably have to go through myself despite being lucky in evading police on the streets (it's really the new way of protesting in Russia, playing hide & seek with police on the streets while simultaneously trying to grab as much attention as possible). My boss called me yesterday and said that she has a direct request to fire anyone who had signed any anti-war letters & petitions although they haven't got to my name yet (they most likely will, it's public information). She was very sweet though and said that she'll resign herself if she won't be able to protect me or my colleagues that also signed the letter.

A few members of Russian Duma had voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine — most notably a few members of KPRF, Russian Communist party, that thought that their petition to recognise DNR & LNR's independence, that they had hoped would bring peace to the region (yeah, right), was used as a pretense for starting a war.

I find it hard to believe in positive change, Belarus' 2020 had destroyed whatever was left of my youthful optimism — and going to the protests doesn't give me any hope or closure, you do it because someone has to. But who knows...
 
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harms said:
Thanks for the tags, I don't have it in me to go through the thread thoroughly anymore, checking different news sources already takes too much time & emotional effort.

Just a few updates on the protests in Russia — they're still happening although we're looking with envy at the anti-war marches in Berlin and the likes. We can't even get together properly as any group with more than 10-20 people has a target on its back. Since the beginning of the protests more than 6000 people had been arrested, 2791+ people were detained yesterday alone. The court dates are postponed, most will get a fine after spending a day in detainment, some will get a week or two, those who got caught for a second/third time already look at significant time behind bars. If you've been seen reposting the date of the meeting/suggesting a movement direction for your group etc., you get a significant time as a riot organiser.

Many people are losing their jobs — something that I'll probably have to go through myself despite being lucky in evading police on the streets (it's really the new way of protesting in Russia, playing hide & seek with police on the streets while simultaneously trying to grab as much attention as possible). My boss called me yesterday and said that she has a direct request to fire anyone who had signed any anti-war letters & petitions although they haven't got to my name yet (they most likely will, it's public information). She was very sweet though and said that she'll resign herself if she won't be able to protect me or my colleagues that also signed the letter.

A few members of Russian Duma had voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine — most notably a few members of KPRF, Russian Communist party, that thought that their petition to recognise DNR & LNR's independence, that they had hoped would bring peace to the region (yeah, right), was used as a pretense for starting a war.

I find it hard to believe in positive change, Belarus' 2020 had destroyed whatever was left of my youthful optimism — and going to the protests doesn't give me any hope or closure, you do it because someone has to. But who knows...
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Respect!!
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Its not just about him being a mad man in power. I think there are two reasons. One, if Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, Moscow will be very close and very vulnerable to any future attack from the West, with plain land and no mountains for protection etc in between, with Ukraine under his control Moscow is well protected by Ukraine from the West and the Black sea from the South. And two, he gets Ukraine's Oil Depots, stops paying rent for pipelines and also reopens the water supply to Crimea.
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Who the feck wants to attack Moscow? From the ground? When Russia has so many nukes?
 
Shakesey said:
Well, Russia is big and Ukraine is much smaller, but that's a conformal map projection. Greenland looks like a continent.
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The comparison of their populations would probably give you a better picture — around 44 millions in Ukraine and less than 140 mil in Russia. The difference is still huge though.
 
I've just scanned over a few Putin news articles from 2021. I thought I'd be able to see him making veiled threats if he knew he was going to invade.

Yet, in June Biden and Putin released a joint statement saying, "...the United States and Russia have demonstrated that, even in periods of tension, they are able to make progress on our shared goals of ensuring predictability in the strategic sphere, reducing the risk of armed conflicts and the threat of nuclear war."

That same month an an in-depth interview with an American journalist Putin said, "...if you ask my opinion now, I am telling you what it is. The most important value in international affairs is predictability and stability."

I just read a few articles, but to me it doesn't look as if Putin has been planning this war for a long time... Maybe he isn't really so strategic and analytical, but rather impulsive and emotional?
 
Shakesey said:
I've just scanned over a few Putin news articles from 2021. I thought I'd be able to see him making veiled threats if he knew he was going to invade.

Yet, in June Biden and Putin released a joint statement saying, "...the United States and Russia have demonstrated that, even in periods of tension, they are able to make progress on our shared goals of ensuring predictability in the strategic sphere, reducing the risk of armed conflicts and the threat of nuclear war."

That same month an an in-depth interview with an American journalist Putin said, "...if you ask my opinion now, I am telling you what it is. The most important value in international affairs is predictability and stability."

I just read a few articles, but to me it doesn't look as if Putin has been planning this war for a long time... Maybe he isn't really so strategic and analytical, but rather impulsive and emotional?
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Always amazed how shocked people are to find a psychopath was lying
 
harms said:
The comparison of their populations would probably give you a better picture — around 44 millions in Ukraine and less than 140 mil in Russia. The difference is still huge though.
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Oh yes, Russia is the biggest country in the world, of course. It's just that that map makes Ukraine look tiny. I just like proper maps :)
 
harms said:
Just a few updates on the protests in Russia — they're still happening although we're looking with envy at the anti-war marches in Berlin and the likes. We can't even get together properly as any group with more than 10-20 people has a target on its back. Since the beginning of the protests more than 6000 people had been arrested, 2791+ people were detained yesterday alone. The court dates are postponed, most will get a fine after spending a day in detainment, some will get a week or two, those who got caught for a second/third time already look at significant time behind bars. If you've been seen reposting the date of the meeting/suggesting a movement direction for your group etc., you get a significant time as a riot organiser.
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Jeez, even 3rd world countries with as corrupt and shitty governments allow protesting at the very least.

Stay safe, man.
 
Shakesey said:
But, did he know he was lying? To what end? Or did the psychopath just wake up one morning and thought - it's time for armageddon?
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One morning? Putin has been looking for a war of some kind for over 10years.
 
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