Still wants to.... And NATO.... He must be gutted Russia today is getting banned though as he is gonna need that money when his libel cases go to court
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Re: Crimea.
I swear if Brexit Britain were to stage a coup in the Republic of Ireland and were then to claim possession of the territory pointing to A) the result of a sham referendum, B) mother tongue demographics of the population, and C) historical ownership of the territory, some would go along with it.
That is exactly what happened in Crimea.
I swear if Brexit Britain were to stage a coup in the Republic of Ireland and were then to claim possession of the territory pointing to A) the result of a sham referendum, B) mother tongue demographics of the population, and C) historical ownership of the territory, some would go along with it.
That is exactly what happened in Crimea.
How and by whom should Putin/Russia be punished?
Obviously by your logic everything done so far to stop the war by the "west" shouldn't have been done or should be retracted as they've been very hypocritical due to their past.
Also when can the west do anything in the future to stop a war. Is there a time frame or do they have just standby for as long as we're here on earth?
I don't think either of what you've said is true. The language was quite clear - other posters had no issues understanding context. And I made it abundantly clear in my first post itself that the Ukranian citizens were the undeserving victims who should not have been forced into fighting for survival.
The irony of using the word 'ironically' in your reply.
Russian interference in Western elections going unpunished because it benefited Trump and BoJo is exactly the kind of thing that emboldened Putin to his actions today. Thank you for making my point.
Do you mean the interference that's been called out by numerous Western intelligence agencies?
e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...the-uk-russia-report-say-key-points-explained
e.g. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
What a load of fecking shite.
Get the feck out of here with this apologist bullshit for a toxic dictator that has done everything in his power to destabilise the entire developed World and funded up and supported the rise of the far-right across Europe as well as meddling in U.S elections and turning America against itself as well meddling in Brexit - 2 acts that on their own should equal him being taken out.
Let alone how he has treated his own subjects and repressed their opportunities and freedoms.
The guy has caused more instability in the developed world than anyone else in recent times and is clearly completely out of control.
Seriously apologist views on him can get fecked, and stay fecked.
Isn't that like saying the Ukranians who didn't want to be under Russian control would have left Crimea to go to Ukraine already?
I disagree with your idea of territory personally, it's problematic. The current people of any region should be able to decide their rulers, if what's left in Crimea want to be ruled by Russia then they should have that freedom. The issue is we'll never know as no way will Russia put up with independent monitoring to ensure a fair election.
Not as accurate as it sounds unfortunately.
Patel just got scolded by the speaker for the way she delivered the news.
Russia will need a ceasefire before they lose... It's not exactly going well is it
He also called for NATO to disband.
And plenty would be against it and want the US to take action… despite what it’s done previously
The bolded part is what counts at this moment.
I agree with the rest of what you say completely. My point was simply that regarding this conflict, the completely unrelated wrongdoings of the US and the UK especially are irrelevant.
You're not getting mine either, but let's just leave it at that.
I cannot stand her.
Let’s freaking hope this madness ends
Can you elaborate? Apologies if it's misleading, will edit if necessary.
Another Bayraktar strike taking out 2 BUK platforms.
It seems Macron has been talking to Putin directly.
"To prevent the situation from worsening, I suggested to President Putin that we stay in touch in the coming days. We will resume discussions."
"To prevent the situation from worsening, I suggested to President Putin that we stay in touch in the coming days. We will resume discussions."
Crimea was transfered to Ukraine in 1954 and the vast majority of the population the last 150 years is Russian, which you can confirm by just looking the Ukrainian census of 2001 and 2011. Historically speaking Greeks, scythians and then more recently tatars have more claims to the land than Ukrainians. Crimeans also voted for sovereign in 1991. Or was that rigged too?
Also, what kind of argument is that last one? Why should people have to give up their homes?
With the removal of Putin, yes.
If he’s allowed to simply retreat but then carry on I’d be more worried of where this is all going.
He needs to be removed from global politics, along with his entire circle.
Infantino finally bows to pressure and does the right thing. (Fifa to temp ban Russia)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567
I don't think Russia can lose this in a pure military sense, the balance of forces is just too much in their favor. For the Ukrainians to repel them out of their territory they would need to go on the offensive, and that just requires several times the forces. I think a good analogy is the Winter War vs Finland, where the USSR took heavy casualties but the peace treaty there still granted them Finnish territory.
They're not fighting for survival. They're fighting against a former colonial oppressor from reasserting its dominance over them, for their own nationhood and political self-determination. This is where I thought your first post fell into a irresolvable contradiction because you said Indians had to fight for for those things from its own colonial oppressor but that Ukraine shouldn't.
It shows how far our current government is to the right that they are going to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the obviously right thing on this issue.
Poutine? Really? Chips, cheese and gravy?
The Central and Eastern European countries wanted to join NATO, because they feared Russian aggression. They had already been under the thump of the Soviets. And wanted to avoid coming under Russia's thump again. It is no coincidence that their desire to join NATO accelerated after the wars in Moldova (Transnistria) and Georgia (Abkhazia). NATO expansion was not an aggressive act against Russia, it was a defensive act against an aggressive Russia by countries who had sufficient experience what it is like to be under the Russian thumb. The treatment and now invasion of Ukraine has proven again that these countries are better off under NATO and the EU than under Russia.
There is no threat against Russia. Nobody is going to invade a country with thousands of nukes. In contrast, everyone would welcome a peaceful, stable (and ideally free and democratic) Russia that is committed to peaceful and respectful trade and cooperation with the rest of Europe. Unfortunately, their elites seem to be backward looking and mourning the loss of Soviet power instead.
None of this "forced" Russia into a certain position, or "wounded" them, or "cornered" them or "humiliated" them.They are like an abusive boyfriend whose girlfriend left them after years of abuse. But instead of reflecting, why their girlfriend left them, they blame the girlfriend for betraying them and are on their way to the women's shelter to beat her up for it.
Unless they've changed tact in the last hour or so Patel had defined family as basically husband or wife or children with parents but not if both were parents. They're rightly getting backlash because of it.
Are you Canadian?
French people spell it that way. Because "Putin" in french would sound exactly like "putain", which means "a wh*re"...
It never occurred to me that French would transliterate Putin like that!
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Poutine
No, that is literally how you transliterate his name into French.
I am not, but I have never seen his name spelt that way. Putain is more apt frankly. Time to drop the chip dish.
Those who could already did, others were subject to reprecussions.
Is it though? Territorial lines and integrity is staple of any countries constitution. It's not just people's hearts desire, but also strategic, cultural, economical etc. importance to the said country. Do you honestly belive 97% wanted to join Russia? there was a rough 50/50 vote that sparked euromaidan, but apparantely a whole region doesn't want to be in Ukraine, but not even a whiff comes out of it until russians point it out?
Wherever you're from, would you be OK with part of your country joining your most aggressive neighbour, when your countrymen are getting shot trying to stabilize it? And then another part in couple of years? And maybe another one in couple? Who do you think seized control of Crimea in 2014? Peasants with pitchforks? Held back these ukrainians, who now are shitting on russian advancing army?
Ireland really isn’t a good example to use here.
Agreed!
Did anyone just see the speech by the Ukranian representative at the United Nations? Was a mic drop moment. 
(on sky news currently)
(on sky news currently)NATO was founded to counter Soviet expansion in Europe - that's the primary motivation for their existence. At some point, the word 'counter' became 'mimic', unfortunately.
Unpunished, not unnoticed. Don't have to remind you of Trump's love affair for Putin when he should have been cut down to size.
Enough about NATO, though, I knew I would be derailing this thread the moment blinkered outrage began. I didn't want to leave my opinion undefended, but back to the point of this thread.
Tbh this guy has in this whole process come off as a puppet clown that is being used by Putin who is laughing as soon as he hangs up. I do not take anything he says serious anymore after he released a statement saying he had come to terms with Putin over a diplomatic solution meanwhile 24 hours later there was a fullscale invasion.
Yes, great speech until he kind of invited Putler to eat his gun in the basement. Not sure that was necessary.Did anyone just see the speech by the Ukranian representative at the United Nations? Was a mic drop moment.
Thank you.