Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I dont think these countries can afford to send so many Migs surely? They're not cheap.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
One thing certain is that such stuff will only erode troop morale further. Rations supposedly expired for over 6 years, seriously.
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I remember the dates on the War rations we had in the army in Norway (RSP), also called "Dead man in box". I think I ate some that were as old as my self. But they were canned in airtight metal boxes. This looks like food that you will get sick from eating. Putin must have put all the money into developing new mil tech and disregarded everything else needed for a large army to operate.
 
hobbers said:
I dont think these countries can afford to send so many Migs surely? They're not cheap.
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We would be sending them nearly half of our planes, and all MIG-29s that we have. Not happening.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
NATO was founded to counter Soviet expansion in Europe - that's the primary motivation for their existence. At some point, the word 'counter' became 'mimic', unfortunately.



Unpunished, not unnoticed. Don't have to remind you of Trump's love affair for Putin when he should have been cut down to size.

Enough about NATO, though, I knew I would be derailing this thread the moment blinkered outrage began. I didn't want to leave my opinion undefended, but back to the point of this thread.
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Is it surprising when you've shown an even more blinkered standpoint.
 
Smores said:
Is RT a direct propoganda line from the Kremlin or is it like the Daily Mail/Fox News spinning whatever direction they think the government is going in?
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It's the BBC but without creating cartoons depicting members of the government as a superhero saving the economy by handing out money to the public, whilst being about 2 feet taller than reality.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It’s not the first time they are engaged in military actions with old equipment. Putin has no problem to throw bodies into the hot pan as he has the numbers and can “afford it”.
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When my parents moved house a couple of years ago my mum found some old army rations my dad had brought home from various places around the world in the very back of a cupboard.
Some of them 30 years old.
Dad being dad had to show they were fine so opened and ate a 30 year old tin of ham.
Was fine apparently! Although I did not partake.
 
Sarni said:
We would be sending them nearly half of our planes, and all MIG-29s that we have. Not happening.
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Yeah and wiki says Poland has about 30 migs in operation. Wouldnt be very smart to give all of them to Ukraine.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That’s the farmer who stole the tractor - so 100% staged. As if you Molotov an armoured vehicle and then drive in a straight line at about 30mph in front of it as well
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Her logic is amazing; if you dont protest against a dictator who will 100% send you in jail, you are a coward. Almost same logic used against Afghans, Syrians and Ukraines; if you dont stay and fight, you are a coward.
 
led_scholes said:
Her logic is amazing; if you dont protest against a dictator who will 100% send you in jail, you are a coward. Almost same logic used against Afghans, Syrians and Ukraines; if you dont stay and fight, you are a coward.
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Honestly, any sentence that attributes anything to an entire nation does not belong in this day an age.

Putin is a cnut is acceptable. (And correct)
Russians are cnuts is absolutely not.
 
Russia has used a thermobaric bomb, according to Ukrainian ambassador to the US.
 
Raoul said:
I think one way to diffuse this may be through back channel negotiations between NATO and Putin, using someone like Macron as an intermediary, where they negotiate some sort of inducement for Putin to pull back in exchange for certain sanctions being lifted. In order for that to work, Putin would have to already be feeling incredible pain back home to where he feels not doing something may jeopardize his grip on power. Only then, would he be incentivized to pull back a bit. But it would only work if the pain and instability in Moscow scare him enough to act.

This of course presupposes that Putin is mentally stable and a rational actor. If he isn't, then I think he doubles down on violence and the chances of NATO/EU military involvement inside Ukraine go up significantly.
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I think he is, still, a rational actor. He just values things differently than what most in the West might expect him to value - for instance in a war of attrition he doesn't care about his own losses. The real question is if/when the internal pressure can reach the threshold which forces him to alter his internal priorities.
 
led_scholes said:
Her logic is amazing; if you dont protest against a dictator who will 100% send you in jail, you are a coward. Almost same logic used against Afghans, Syrians and Ukraines; if you dont stay and fight, you are a coward.
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The one thing Ukranian’s are not is coward’s. Giving it a bloody good go - and giving Putin a bloody red nose.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That’s the farmer who stole the tractor - so 100% staged. As if you Molotov an armoured vehicle and then drive in a straight line at about 30mph in front of it as well
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There is a Z painted on this tractor. But it has the same color yes. But angles of cameras are different too. Could perhaps both be propaganda.

And a towed and disabled tank is not so dangerous. It would have to shoot the tractor first too as it would be in front.
 
The Purley King said:
When my parents moved house a couple of years ago my mum found some old army rations my dad had brought home from various places around the world in the very back of a cupboard.
Some of them 30 years old.
Dad being dad had to show they were fine so opened and ate a 30 year old tin of ham.
Was fine apparently! Although I did not partake.
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Heard stories about bean cans from WWI being edible. I guess the worst case scenario is you shit yourself, which won’t be the case with old military equipment :D
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I think he is, still, a rational actor. He just values things differently than what most in the West might expect him to value - for instance in a war of attrition he doesn't care about his own losses. The real question is if/when the internal pressure can reach the threshold which forces him to alter his internal priorities.
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I think he will found out where he stands domestically once the Russian stock market reopens, at which point pandemonium could break out once Russians discover their financial predicaments.
 
What i've seen and gathered during this invasion and information at hand, Russia have champions league level nukes or bombs and League 2 level soldiers.
 
Raoul said:
I think he will found out where he stands domestically once the Russian stock market reopens, at which point pandemonium could break out once Russians discover their financial predicaments.
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Was it not open today?
 
LARulz said:
Can someone just help make sure I am not misunderstanding

Why are the EU so desperate for Ukraine to join the EU right now? Does that not cause a massive issue if Russia is still trying to invade because then it's a case of Russia vs the EU who then all need to get involved? And then NATO?
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Just rhetoric to put even more pressure on Russia I suspect. At least for now.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I think he is, still, a rational actor. He just values things differently than what most in the West might expect him to value - for instance in a war of attrition he doesn't care about his own losses. The real question is if/when the internal pressure can reach the threshold which forces him to alter his internal priorities.
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About that internal pressure...article from Slate suggests the "Putin regime" has become just "Vladimir Putin" by now.

The article explains that Putin has consolidated personal power to an extent that foreign policy experts simply didn't see happening.

But the world is now realizing that the Putin regime is really just Vladimir Putin. And he is apparently no longer worried about what war will mean for Russia’s rich, much less its masses.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/02/ukraine-invasion-putin-is-ruling-alone.html
 
PepG said:
Thank God for that. We have no job there supporting any if the sides in this conflict even though we are members of NATO and EU.
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Well I wouldn't mind if we actually had 100 operational MiGs to give 20, but the situation with the aviation is incredibly dire, so much so that we need Spanish and Dutch f-35 for air policing.
 
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