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I've not seen any either - heard it thoughI've not seen any fighting rhetoric, it's all sanctions.
I've not seen any either - heard it thoughI've not seen any fighting rhetoric, it's all sanctions.
The opposite really. People are dying in an unjust war. That's the reality you choose to avoid.Maybe. Or just realistic.
Elaborate please. I'm open to reassurance.The opposite really.
It really is unbelievable what I am reading here. It is fooking amazing. My family lost their men during WW II. They bloody volunteered knowing full well that Hitler was just rolling over Europe and western part of USSR. They never thought nah, it is too risky. Why would we fight for Russians when we are not Russian. People being shit scared that their government could be giving their aircrafts to Ukranian pilots to fight Putin. It really is amazing. You know what? What if Germany bombed the sh!te out of Kaliningrad and told the Russian president, this is German territory and it was occupied during WW II. You touch us and we have enough capabilities within NATO to nuke you instantly from all sides?
Post modern politics is all about gaslighting, and proliferation of fake news causing confusion to the point where people conclude they 'don't know what to believe'. The end goal is that the public look to a 'strong leader' i.e. dictator. This pattern has been embedded in western politics via interference in elections too. See US 2016 election, French election 2017 and Vote Leave campaign.
It's not a stretch to conclude that Russia conspired to appoint liars/dishonest figures in office in leading western countries to degrade public trust in our leaders.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here? Nuclear weapons didn't exist at the outbreak of WW2. Had they done the war wouldn't have made it past 1939.
If Germany today bombed Kaliningrad they would cease to exist as a country within about an hour.
West is already intervening. I am just really surprised that people areshit scared to be seeing their fighter aircrafts being given to Ukranian pilots to fight against cnut who has declared a war against pretty much powerless country. The cnut who if takes over Ukraine will be right next to these people's doors.
Ukraine have claimed that thermobaric weapons have already been used against them, right?There's an open discussion about thermobaric weapons now.
Some liberators these guys. But let's stay realistic.
isn't the F-35 a flop? Would have been better off with the latest generation Eurofighter i reckon.
It'll still be better than anything the Russians have. Their airforce is a shambles, their so called military might has been dangerously exposed.
It seems that the predictions of most independent analysts in the last few days, are proving to be correct.
After initially overstretching themselves with unsupported runs from small units deep into Ukrainian territory, the Russians have now regrouped, resupplyied and are playing to their greatest strength - their artillery.
The Ukrainian defiance in the face of the early Russian attacks was admirable and there's no doubt that Putin massively underestimated their fighting ability and their resolve. But no amount of Ukrainian resolve is going to be able to withstand the barrage of ballistic missiles and artillery shells that the Russians are going to rain down on the country in the next few days (nevermind the 40-mile long column of armour that will shortly encircle Kiev).
I fear that by the latter part of this week, we might be in "surrender or die" territory for President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian forces - although, as always with this type of warfare, the real penalty will be paid by the civilian population.
You cant go to a new plane let alone a completely different platform in a year and you are talking about days. Its unfeasible. I dont think the Poles are giving their Migs either.NATO ought to send you guys a loaf of F-16's to replace the Mig-29's you've given away. It should be done immediately. They should also deploy some top line fighter aircraft over Poland to defend your airspace - having said that, looking at the shit performance of the Russian airforce, you'll be fine.
No wonder you had similar experiences with Trumpists. The source is all the same - Russian propaganda to dumb and/or disillusioned people.Its a funny series of convos the past four-five days. Both of us are accusing each other of being suckers to our respective propaganda! My previous experience of this are with Trumpists.
Eventually, you give up and not bother having any discussions other than asking the time or matters of such trivialities. At some point the world will grind to a halt.
Our forces giving up half of our combat planes and openly letting them operate out of Poland is just recipe for disaster. We are going to be left with almost no combat planes. Maybe I am overreacting but this sounds just dumb.
They did yesterday but today it's on BBC and much bigger audience.Ukraine have claimed that thermobaric weapons have already been used against them, right?
The big question I guess is - who's getting paid off to do this in the UK government?
If they do give them those fighters it will be an open declaration of war from NATO/EU.West is already intervening. I am just really surprised that people areshit scared to be seeing their fighter aircrafts being given to Ukranian pilots to fight against cnut who has declared a war against pretty much powerless country. The cnut who if takes over Ukraine will be right next to these people's doors.
isn't the F-35 a flop? Would have been better off with the latest generation Eurofighter i reckon.
It'll still be better than anything the Russians have. Their airforce is a shambles, their so called military might has been dangerously exposed.
Surely the West lost its survival instinct while becoming flooded with idiotic frivolities and division… yet it seems it is not too late to wake up, regroup and treat life a bit more seriously. People calling Putin a boomer really live in a pampered bubble, though. He’s just an enemy, at large, with whom we needed to co-exist and now contain. It will not be pretty, for many in our shores.
Putin is definitely a boomer.Surely the West lost its survival instinct while becoming flooded with idiotic frivolities and division… yet it seems it is not too late to wake up, regroup and treat life a bit more seriously. People calling Putin a boomer really live in a pampered bubble, though. He’s just an enemy, at large, with whom we needed to co-exist and now contain. It will not be pretty, for many in our shores.
They have given them lethal weapons. Those weapons are killing Russian soldiers. They are not used on Russian territory, but they are killing Russian soldiers. Sanctions/bleeding Russian economy will not happen as soon as Putin installs his puppet ruler in Ukraine. It will be a Ukraine under a new ruler, and believe it or not, there will be even elections held and the puppet will win.If they do give them those fighters it will be an open declaration of war from NATO/EU.
Sactions/bleeding the Russian economy dry are better measures than corner Putin to retaliate to an extend that he can possibly use nukes..
So you ought to be sh!t scared that your aircrafts flown by Ukranian soldiers could be used against the agressor, who, in case of victory, will be sitting next to your door, with nukes right next to him?
I think what much of Kasparov has been writing over the last decade is correct. You can keep delaying and delaying the ultimate confrontation with Putin, but each time you do and back down, the greater pain and cost you will bear next time he reaches outside of Russia. I don't see how this can conclude. How does the West possibly accept Russia back with Putin remaining as a peacetime leader again? The EU and individual European countries have ripped up their decades-long policy to combat this threat. Germany is now taking their armament and defence policy seriously again. Orban's Hungary are turning their backs on Russia and championing Ukraine's EU integration. Finland, Sweden and Switzerland are giving up pretences of neutrality bit by bit.Surely the West lost its survival instinct while becoming flooded with idiotic frivolities and division… yet it seems it is not too late to wake up, regroup and treat life a bit more seriously. People calling Putin a boomer really live in a pampered bubble, though. He’s just an enemy, at large, with whom we needed to co-exist and now contain. It will not be pretty, for many in our shores.
Yes, I choose to avoid the increasing likelihood that we could cease to exist as a country. Is that really a risk worth taking when it seems likely that Putin will be removed because very few countries in the world now want to deal with Russia in any capacity and he will be seen as responsible for that, and for the collapse of the roubleThe opposite really. People are dying in an unjust war. That's the reality you choose to avoid.
You've already seen Syria. Now Ukraine. What are you going to appease next?Presumably you've thought this through so how many millions dead is acceptable in WW3 to defend Ukraine? 30? 50? 100?
We didn't jump straight into WW2 when Japan invaded China or when Germany took Austria. It took further expansion and the camps.
Russia aren't stupid enough to take on a NATO country. If they did it would inevitably end up with them losing or nuclear annihilation.
It seems we are not sending planes and definitely not allowing them to be operated out of Poland facilities.
Which is also borderline sensitive subject already.. Besides giving them planes that they don't know how to operate won't help much.They have given them lethal weapons. Those weapons are killing Russian soldiers. They are not used on Russian territory, but they are killing Russian soldiers. Sanctions/bleeding Russian economy will not happen as soon as Putin installs his puppet ruler in Ukraine. It will be a Ukraine under a new ruler, and believe it or not, there will be even elections held and the puppet will win.
Putin will be removed? News to me.Yes, I choose to avoid the increasing likelihood that we could cease to exist as a country. Is that really a risk worth taking when it seems likely that Putin will be removed because very few countries in the world now want to deal with Russia in any capacity and he will be seen as responsible for that, and for the collapse of the rouble
It's one of these two outcomes increasingly:Putin will be removed? News to me.
Presumably you've thought this through so how many millions dead is acceptable in WW3 to defend Ukraine? 30? 50? 100?
We didn't jump straight into WW2 when Japan invaded China or when Germany took Austria. It took further expansion and the camps.
Russia aren't stupid enough to take on a NATO country. If they did it would inevitably end up with them losing or nuclear annihilation.
Putin is definitely a boomer.
The guy has no idea about the modern world, no different to a typical 70-year-old grandpa. His world view and mindset are consistent with this way of life. But that's also what makes him dangerous.
Xi, on the other hand, is a much more sophisticated enemy but that's for another day.