Any more updates about the latest bangs in Kyiv?
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The white/non-white separation wouldn't make sense though, unless every non-white person was not Ukrainian or an EU national.
As mentioned before, don’t know what to believe really because at the same time we have all of our right wing basically going bonkers over the fact that we are accepting non-Ukrainians and letting them come to country. So it’s a lose-lose because nobody really knows what is happening on our side and everyone is outraged.
Just remember that the view of our government on immigrants is not representative of 75% of our population.
Just remember that the view of our government on immigrants is not representative of 75% of our population.
Hi mate, forgive the igorance but what is the belief among Russian society in general now? Are the younger generation (social media etc) more aware of how Russia appear to the outside world?
When Russians overthrow Ukrainian government, I don’t think they’ll care about Nord Stream 2 apart from the 14 billion or so lost or however much it cost.
We don't know what's going on precisely though, whether they are really turning away every single non-white person. As I said: I could see this coming from Poland or the EU and I could see why the Ukrainians would want to keep nationals of uninvolved countries in their country. Even if both would be quite cynical. But I have a hard time believing that everyone is just doing it for the sake of being racist.
Lads anyone that makes a smart remark or stupid quips for laughs in this thread..
Just fecking stop it
Just fecking stop it
That was mostly German money anyways. German investors seem to be willing to get their money back from our government. Russia was obviously involved a lot, but you should be aware of this I think.
Russia is very quickly turning into North Korea, both in economic and political standing.
You can't ban websites like wikipedia or youtube forever unless you never want your citizens to use those sites ever again.
You can't ban websites like wikipedia or youtube forever unless you never want your citizens to use those sites ever again.
Given the gas reserves they are likely to acquire yeah probably in the grand scheme of things Nord stream will seem relatively minor
This is a pretty important point. When I was 18 I barely knew left from right in terms of a wider social perception. It’s not hard to believe 18 year old war conscripts with a lack of education are similarly easily misled. (Think of how many idiots you know in real life)
At the very least all indications seem to be very few of them knew they were entering a combat zone. The Russian military is hierarchical, this is the result of creating a too heavy system.
It's pretty much impossible to have a clear picture on the matter at the moment as there are no independent organisations to measure true public opinion. The younger generation hardly believes anything that Putin is saying (and most of the protesters that come out to the streets are extremely young — high-schoolers & students mostly) — what's more intriguing is how 35-40+ are feeling about the matter and I've seen very different opinions. But basically if you use internet as a place to get your news you're unlikely to remain in the pro-Russian bubble that's metaphorically leaking from all sides.
I wonder how sanctions would affect people's opinion — not even in a few weeks but in a few months/half a year. Sadly, I don't think that any public resurgence of a required scale would be able to form (and outmuscle the police) to make Putin change his mind on this war itself.
There's a petition against the war that was created a couple of days ago and already has more than 1 million signatures though. And many public figures had openly stated their distain with what's been happening.
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No. Ukraine has been Putin's propaganda's boogeyman for more than 8 years now, it's leaders vilified etc. — no one affected by propaganda would believe in peaceful exercises in collaboration with Ukraine.
I doubt many would have the cash on hand to buy new iphones in the coming months. Apple pay has apparently already stopped working.
They don't like black people, they don't want to help them, and they don't want to see their lives saved.
The entire point is to put them through misery at best. And danger at worst.
Thanks, you assume younger people having a window to the world with the internet have the tools to think objectively. thats a big divide between older generations
Yeah was thinking the same, assuming these sanctions stay in place it’s going to be life changing for your average Russian. They’re going to be locked out of modern times. No sport, no entertainment, no technology, no holidays… the list goes on.
I never thought I'd see the most evil institution in the world sever ties with the second most evil institution in the world.
So there is a ban on calling Putin “Putin”? He’s obviously not on the same scale but I don’t get the reason for the automatic name change.
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Nordstream 2 alone was supposed to deliver 55 billion cubic meters of Russian gas per year directly to Germany I assume that would have been a fat piece of business even on an international level, not to mention the increased dependance on Russia as a strategic factor.
I think people are free to call the cnut whatever they want.
This is getting insane now. Are we witnessing the world turning their back on Russia?
Post Putin I can see whoever runs this back just sweep into office (if they allow fair elections)
Maybe that’s the plan? I know people say why would Russia stop now when already sanctioned but all those sanctions become an incredible leverage to have in the near future.
Apple should have enforced 100% price hike on Apple products which would go to funding Ukrainian government in the fight against Russia and a pamphlet inside the box explaining why they had done that. Good luck explaining that one away Putin.
If anything, it'll strengthen Russia's resolve to control the land based pipeline going through Ukraine.
Cutting off NS2 has made the invasion even more crucial to Putin, especially given the state of the economy.
At this point, it's annex or bust.
Russia is completely, totally and utterly fecked.
The only question is how many people Putin is taking down with him.
The only question is how many people Putin is taking down with him.
That's a load of trite. This is a humanitarian crisis and it has been called as such by all. Ukraine is literally in a state of emergency and they're being bombed in their main cities indiscriminately. Now is definitely not the time for bureaucracy and 'types of visas'...on top of that. If Ukraine has foreign nationals on student or work visas, they should really be getting them out and to safety ASAP. In an ideal world they'd be working with these countries embassies in Moldova and Poland to ensure them safe passage...as it happens in literally every other country in the world in a time of crisis. I get that you're close to this conflict, and I think that's obscuring your rationality on the matter as well.
The fact that Ukraine is turning people of colour away from the border is racist and pretty disgusting, and I'm pretty tired of having to read you scrambling for excuses on the matter time and time again. It also seems that Poland is doing something similar and that also is disgusting. I've posted another member's story below - I'd encourage you to read it.
@TMDaines there's also plenty of material online should you wish to educate yourself on the matter -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60555650
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60552271
Source? This is the first I've heard of it - what evidence do you have?
But they were building it because they had issues with Ukraine. Once the government is overthrown they can do what they like in Ukraine.
Some of the borders are massive bottlenecks. Unless you just open the border (which will never happen unless there is a safety issue because of the obvious national security issues), the capacity of the border will be massively outstripped by the demand.
Most who are travelling west want to go the quickest, most direct route, which is Medyka-Shehyni to then travel west down the main Polish roads to Krakow, etc. Medyka-Shehyni is used to a reasonable trickle of tourists and workers who cross the border daily. I regularly had delays when I used to go there and Ukrainians could routinely wait a couple of hours to cross during the day before they had visa-free access. The border normally can only process four-six people at a time on foot and then cars separately. You now have 100,000s of people wanting to cross there in a matter of days.
Some will be EU citizens wanting to “return home” to the Schengen Zone, some will be Ukrainian citizens who have visa free access, some will be citizens of third countries like the UK who also have visa-free access, others will be from third-countries that don’t routinely have visa-free access and they may have to enter as refugees or claim asylum. All these different groups of people have different checks and will take a different amount of time to process. Of course there will be prioritisation.
Even Ukrainian friends of ours from Lviv who have fled in the last 24 hours to go to Warsaw have gone via Slovakia, because the Polish borders just have too many people wanting to cross right now.
I’m not gonna deny anyone’s lived experience, and I’m sure there will have been racist behaviour, but most of what is being derided as racism on social media is the function of national borders. No borders treat everyone equally irrespective of their passport.
The few Russian stocks left in London (Polymeral, Evraz) are down about 75%. At some point they have to open the Russian exchange again.
The bust will happen with or without the annex.
Didn’t realize it was closed.
No. A pipeline is worthless when there is no customer at the end of it. And that's what's happening, he isn't losing control over the pipeline, he is losing Germany as a customer.
Because it's pathetic playground stuff.
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