Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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Yep, it’s already happening, where we are slipping from 100% news coverage. War fatigue is real, which is a point I made a few days ago.

Putin doesn’t have to make huge gains or even take Kyiv to achieve a paralysing grip on Ukraine. Get the land corridor between Crimea and Donbas, then bed in. Just annexing Crimea, and having Donetsk and Luhansk disputed with the key cities and road controlled, while the rest of the country is drained by war is enough. It might have come at a huge cost to Russia, but Ukraine in that condition has lost much of its power and function.

As soon as it gets to a stalemate, the news coverage will gradually erode.
 
flameinthesun said:
Just wondering whether China sees this as an opportunity from a commercial/economical perspective to gain a foothold in Russia. With the Oil companies pulling out, talks of apple pullng out and countless others commercial companies, it's probably more ideal than ever for China to push its products, currency, economic tools etc in Russia with the Western companies suspending their activities.
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This is a very likely scenario. There are two questions though. How will Russia pay? Their economy is plummeting. Will it mean that Chinese companies will be sanctioned in Western markets due to their support to Russia?
 
rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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They'll announce the queen's death and everyone will forget Ukraine even exists
 
rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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It won't anytime soon, unless something else major happens. If Kharkiv falls, that's gonna gain some traction, eyes will be on siege of Kyiv and news developing there.
 
Water Melon said:
The cold war is on already. The moment the butcher started bombings, denied Ukranians their national identity and sovereignity and started to play his nukes card, we were back to the cold war.
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Feels pretty hot to me.
 
rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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they move on every few months. Last time out it was Afghanistan and the return of Taliban. Israel and Palestine a few months back. They were focusing on Yemen before. Then it was Syria before that.
 
Simbo said:
It should be noted that Russian oil companies are shite at the whole exploration/extraction part of the industry, they rely on the likes of Exxon.
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They will sign a strategic partnership with CNPC. Both sides will be very happy. Again the question is how will Russia pay?
 
rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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There are now people from all over Europe joining the fight voluntarily. Over 100 from the UK alone after what I read. Read about many joining from Finland, Sweden and Norway too. This is going to be covered hard as long as there is a fight I think.
 
horsechoker said:
They'll announce the queen's death and everyone will forget Ukraine even exists
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that’s my feeling too. once the likes of murdoch have worked out how to maximise their profits from the war and the sanctions they’ll be happy for something else major to happen to take the front page and then replace it with something else that fits their narrative better than the war afterwards.
 
Dans said:
In a way he's right. In another way he can feck off.
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Of course he's right, he might be massively opposed to Putin and the war yet he's punished.

It can be unfair and necessary at the same time though.
 
flameinthesun said:
Just wondering whether China sees this as an opportunity from a commercial/economical perspective to gain a foothold in Russia. With the Oil companies pulling out, talks of apple pullng out and countless others commercial companies, it's probably more ideal than ever for China to push its products, currency, economic tools etc in Russia with the Western companies suspending their activities.
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And get paid with rubel?

Richness is the last thing China needs now. They're loaded. What they need is time ane stability. The longer the better
 
Smores said:
Of course he's right, he might be massively opposed to Putin and the war yet he's punished.

It can be unfair and necessary at the same time though.
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Their fans would get abused outside their borders right now though, unfortunately. Athletes would be massively unpopular, and for one, I'm eager to see how their news agencies explain this to their population.
 
Smores said:
Of course he's right, he might be massively opposed to Putin and the war yet he's punished.

It can be unfair and necessary at the same time though.
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They're giving it the tried and tired "keep politics out of sports". And it might be unfair. But I'd argue what's going on is way more unfair on the Ukrainian population in general and especially the civilians.

Of course it's shit being a Russian civilian at this time too but they can thank Putin for that and otherwise shut up if they feel treated unfairly. Unless their anger is directed at Putin and his cronies.
 
Raoul said:
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I think it’s important to keep in mind that it’s a also propaganda — it’s not a coincidence that using POW like that is against the Geneva convention. We’ve already seen many examples of Ukraine pushing forward sketchy concepts that suited their side of the story.

In some of the Russian hospitals near the border they’ve stopped admitting civilian patients (which is one of the only clear evidence from the Russian side that there are many casualties). I would assume that they aren’t doing that for treating corpses.

I have huge sympathy for Ukraine and, unlike with Russia, don’t get offended by their lies (as they essentially lead to a good thing) but it’s important to remember that they’re not a reliable source for unbiased information (even though they’re more reliable than Russia for obvious reasons).
 
Sky1981 said:
It's not. Civilian should be spared as they have nothing to do with the political moves. Or else are we all punishable for the bad things our country did?
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This is the way sanctions work, though. It will be civilians who feel the immediate impact, increasing their likelihood to apply pressure to their government
 
Many Russian athletes are military officers so I think banning them is actually a very mild reaction.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's not. Civilian should be spared as they have nothing to do with the political moves. Or else are we all punishable for the bad things our country did?
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Can we stop calling this a political move? It's a fully unjustified war with dozens of civilian casualties so far.
 
Tarrou said:


No idea if this is true or not, could well be bollocks
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No name, no link, no statement, nothing. No idea if it’s true or not :lol:
 
Sky1981 said:
It's not. Civilian should be spared as they have nothing to do with the political moves. Or else are we all punishable for the bad things our country did?
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I personally think the FIA solution of the neutral flag is the fairest solution. F1 isn't really about nation so yeah it's a statement without punishing someone just because they happen to be born in Russia.
 
hellhunter said:
Like the US had the means in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq?
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Russia can't really afford to bomb the shit out of Ukraine as it is European country and is under the spotlight. It's unjust I know, but flattening it would result in serious outcry around the world where the consequences for them would be a lot bigger than when the States flattened Iraq/Afghanistan.

Russia will have to sacrifice a lot of soldiers as time is against them and bombing and shelling sieged cities for months is not in their favor. Whilst on the other hand US could operate fairly free in that area(even supported by many countries) and could sit back and wait until the resistance is depleted.
 
flameinthesun said:
Just wondering whether China sees this as an opportunity from a commercial/economical perspective to gain a foothold in Russia. With the Oil companies pulling out, talks of apple pullng out and countless others commercial companies, it's probably more ideal than ever for China to push its products, currency, economic tools etc in Russia with the Western companies suspending their activities.
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Russia will become China's vassal state in a few years if this barrage of sanctions last that long.
 
Smores said:
I personally think the FIA solution of the neutral flag is the fairest solution. F1 isn't really about nation so yeah it's a statement without punishing someone just because they happen to be born in Russia.
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It is though. Russia will be hit on their cultural pride and togetherness by being deprived of sporting achievements.

F1 racers being excluded is a much lesser loss for those racers than what are lot of Russians are feeling as a result of these sanctions.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Can we stop calling this a political move? It's a fully unjustified war with dozens of civilian casualties so far.
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Should american citizen be punished for what they did in iraq?

Should japanese civilian be punished for world war 2?

Should Russian rich people that has no direct link with putin that just happen to have flats in UK got deported? Or got his asset frozen without due trial, or just based on some ad hoc bodies that plays judge jury and executioner. I dont even think escobar got his account frozen that easily.

Good intention, wrong principle.
 
rimaldo said:
not playing devil’s advocate but how many more days do russia need to survive whilst still invading before the majority of westerners shift their focus elsewhere and largely forget about it? the bbc website is still very dominated by the war, as are the new channels, except when the sky presenter smiles and says “now for a quick look at the weather.”

but how long before other stories start to filter to the top of the page?
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It happened with 2014, Syria etc. Some people say those weren't covered, but they were, it just gradually faded over time.

The location might keep it in European news longer.
 
Sky1981 said:
Should american citizen be punished for what they did in iraq?

Should japanese civilian be punished for world war 2?

Should Russian rich people that has no direct link with putin that just happen to have flats in UK got deported? Or got his asset frozen without due trial, or just based on some ad hoc bodies that plays judge jury and executioner. I dont even think escobar got his account frozen that easily.

Good intention, wrong principle.
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They were, the country was destroyed.
 
Maagge said:
They're giving it the tried and tired "keep politics out of sports". And it might be unfair. But I'd argue what's going on is way more unfair on the Ukrainian population in general and especially the civilians.

Of course it's shit being a Russian civilian at this time too but they can thank Putin for that and otherwise shut up if they feel treated unfairly. Unless their anger is directed at Putin and his cronies.
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That's a bit strong sounds almost fascist. What next round up anyone born in Russia in camps unless they prove their loyalty?

We need to be a bit careful not to slip into something dark. Targeting oligarchs and making every statement we can against Russia is of course necessary, punishing innocent Russians who aren't even representing Russia is not.
 
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