Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

The Corinthian said:
Didn’t Ukraine say the Russian casualties were something like 4,500-5,100?
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Yes. But we know that Russia lies a lot (for example they had only 2 deaths by yesterday).

The fact they went so high instead of a laughable 10 deaths or so means that there are a lot of casualties.
 
Pintu said:
Out of 22 Arab states, 3 are abstaining (Sudan, Iraq and Algeria), Syria voted against. All the others voted for the resolution.

Even the UAE that abstained in the UNSC seems to have voted differently this time. I can't work that out. There was talk about them having brokered a deal with Russia so that Russia doesn't veto the extension of the UNSC resolution banning weapon export to Yemen. Maybe that deal doesn't cover the GA vote. UNSC votes are the only binding ones.

Out of the 55 African states, there are about 10 abstentions (including Sudan, Algeria, Angloa, South Africa, Congo) most of them are historically non-allied countries. And they still abstain on almost every vote. Not much else to read into it. I think that the 2 biggest African countries -Nigeria and Egypt- voting for the resolution sends a powerfull message. It's not "the West plotting against Russia".


Yes. Absentees. This is an emergency special session. Some countries might not have resident ambassadors, or ones that didn't care enough to disrupt their own calender.
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Egypt is on the wrong side of Russia in Libya I think?

Actually surprised at Iran abstaining. One of the big ironies is that they may see their own sanctions lifted in return for a shit load of their oil and gas flooding the market. Now would be the time to push a deal through with them in the US (who knows though).
 
Pintu said:
Even the UAE that abstained in the UNSC seems to have voted differently this time. I can't work that out. There was talk about them having brokered a deal with Russia so that Russia doesn't veto the extension of the UNSC resolution banning weapon export to Yemen. Maybe that deal doesn't cover the GA vote. UNSC votes are the only binding ones.
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You're exactly right about the Yemen resolution connection when it comes to the UAE's vote. They're the driving force for a resolution that will designate the Houthis a terrorist groups, but have significant impact in that messy conflict. They've been tying up support for the resolution for months, including some additional arms purchases from France and the UK to ensure their votes (or at least not veto), but when it comes to Russia it was this quid pro quo on the Ukraine UNSC vote that sealed their vote on Yemen.
 
Who does the senseless killing of Civillians , and non-hostile places benefit?

  • Russia face more sanctions/opposition via worldwide media and increased resistance from the Ukranian military/people.
  • Ukraine gain the backing of the western world + beyond, Nato & EU support.
I'm not implying a conspiracy theory, I'm trying to understand the Russian viewpoint that they've not in any shape committed these war crimes.

Suedesi said:
This guy is terrifying - not clear how much influence he's got on Putin, but his geopolitical stratagems have come to fruition for two decades straight

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The argument this man makes is an intelligent viewpoint, and with any disagreement or conflict it is necessary to understand the ability to be proven incorrect.
 
VorZakone said:
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The first bit about Zelensky should be that he's still alive. I doubt he has much knowledge of how to run a war, but the fact that he is still not dead is a big boost for the morale and enthusiasm of those actually doing the fighting.
 
rpitroda said:
The list of “no”s predictable.

The abstentions are interesting though. All the south Asian countries in particular. It’s an interesting insight into geopolitics, although I can’t say I really understand the rationale for most.
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The rationale imho is very logical.

They get the best of both sides.

The west arent going to care about some minnows going abstain, and they got some credit from the russia, no matter how small.

Win win.

Not like the west gonna sanction or rewars them anyway.
 
Raoul said:
The first bit about Zelensky should be that he's still alive. I doubt he has much knowledge of how to run a war, but the fact that he is still not dead is a big boost for the morale and enthusiasm of those actually doing the fighting.
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I would rather say the thing is that the command structure is still existing and working. While he might not know much about war, the fact that he still has the means to reach his troops is key.
 
Shakesey said:
SA, India, China, Brazil, Russia = BRICS

No surprise at all
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Brazil voted in favor. It is not an alliance in the traditional sense. Remember that is has its origins because Jim O'Neill, the same one that tried to lead the Red Knights group to take over Man Utd, created the denomination when he was an economist at Goldman Sachs. Ever since then there have been summits, agreements and cooperation between the countries, but a true alliance it is not.
 
Raoul said:
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A lot of this is intentional propaganda with the purpose of encouraging more Russian soldiers to surrender. I'm not saying the Ukranians are treating them badly, far from it. But it's poor form and actually a breach of the Geneva Convention to be posting videos of POWs on SM.
 
MTF said:
Brazil voted in favor. It is not an alliance in the traditional sense. Remember that is has its origins because Jim O'Neill, the same one that tried to lead the Red Knights group to take over Man Utd, created the denomination when he was an economist at Goldman Sachs. Ever since then there have been summits, agreements and cooperation between the countries, but a true alliance it is not.
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Wow, Brazil voted in favour?! That's surprising! I thought their prez is a Putin fan?
 
IWat said:
A lot of this is intentional propaganda with the purpose of encouraging more Russian soldiers to surrender. I'm not saying the Ukranians are treating them badly, far from it. But it's poor form and actually a breach of the Geneva Convention to be posting videos of POWs on SM.
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Its no more intentional than showing videos of Russians getting rejected by doors. Its all part in parcel of a war that is transpiring on social media.
 
Shakesey said:
Wow, Brazil voted in favour?! That's surprising! I thought their prez is a Putin fan?
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Yes, but the foreign ministry is seemingly ignoring him. They even voted in favor in the arguably more important Security Council vote last week when Russia vetoed.
 
Raoul said:
Its no more intentional than showing videos of Russians getting rejected by doors. Its all part in parcel of a war that is transpiring on social media.
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Completely different, the Geneva Convention makes specific references to the treatment of POWs. Filming soldiers being soldiers is fine.
 
IWat said:
Completely different, the Geneva Convention makes specific reference to the treatment of POWs.
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People are dying, so nobody cares about a clip of a Russian kid drinking tea whilst facetiming his mom.
 
IWat said:
A lot of this is intentional propaganda with the purpose of encouraging more Russian soldiers to surrender. I'm not saying the Ukranians are treating them badly, far from it. But it's poor form and actually a breach of the Geneva Convention to be posting videos of POWs on SM.
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They're just prisoners of military operation though aren't they?
 
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