Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[calodo2003]

 

[Carolina Red]

For a start they'd be hypocrites for condemning Putin when they're doing much worse in Kashmir and have done for 40+ years.

Secondly, they'd be pretty within their right to ask where the whole world was in condemnation and sanctions when China annexed Indian territory multiple times over the last couple of years.

Thirdly, they've sat back and worked with loads of other countries who have commited crimes equal to or greater than those commited by Putin in Ukraine today, so why would they make an exception now.

Lets not go on a tangent though.

I can't believe i'm a Pakistani defending India's politicans. The world is truly FUBAR.

There's a separate thread for this.

 

[Smithy89]

So Kherson does seem to have fallen to the Russians:

This is very sad and disturbing, the optimist in me hoped the Ukrainians would hold their major cities.

 

[finneh]

How would we ever genuinely know though

I'm guessing that's the point. It's unlikely a charity will have its assets frozen though.

 

[TMDaines]

Re: Kyiv station

 

[Varun]

This is very sad and disturbing, the optimist in me hoped the Ukrainians would hold their major cities.

Difficult when Putin is bombing everything in sight

 

[frostbite]

That's precisely what it is. After all, who wants to be the off man out in doing nothing when other companies are viewed by the public as taking action.

But this is a good thing. It creates unity in condemning the Russian invasion. And it matters if there is universal condemnation from everyone, in both small and large issues, even if it is just "public relations" for some companies.

 

[TheReligion]

Make your own conclusions, it's very on trend nowadays anyway to ignore what was said and instead project what you want to say.

I don’t want to say anything. I’m simply not for making excuses for people/countries not willing to do the right thing.

 

[VorZakone]

This is very sad and disturbing, the optimist in me hoped the Ukrainians would hold their major cities.

It was a matter of time I reckon. Not necessarily this thread, but on Reddit I was already seeing people get a little giddy thinking it was almost over.

 

[hellhunter]

I don’t want to say anything. I’m simply not for making excuses for people/countries not willing to do the right thing.

Instead you have people moaning about EA removing Russian teams from FIFA 22

 

[calodo2003]

Just read that there’s a million buck bounty on Putin from a US-based oligarch.

 

[Rajma]

So Kherson does seem to have fallen to the Russians:

Military administration, sadly it’s the beginning of the end for Ukraine if Nato doesn’t step in soon. My heart breaks for them.

 

[TMDaines]

Re: Kyiv station

 

[Smithy89]

It was a matter of time I reckon. Not necessarily this thread, but on Reddit I was already seeing people get a little giddy thinking it was almost over.

it's a shame because they seem to be doing amazing in the urban warfare stakes and on the ground. It's dealing with the bombs and not having the airforce to deter or counter the Russian bombs that is handicapping them.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

I believe it's "all net proceeds", meaning most likely sale price minus debt, minus purchase price. If sale price is £2b it therefore would be around £350m donated.

Interesting as well as the donation terminology is "victims of the war". Certainly not specifically Ukrainians.

He's asking for 4b, no? Surely Chelsea will go for more than 2b? Then it's 2,5b+.

... which will all be donated to russian war heroes/officers? Considering the sentence you quote here.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

People talk a lot about NATO countries arming Ukraine with anti-vehicle weapons, rifles and protective equipment. I know that fighter jets are now on the menu as well, but has something been said about sending tanks, APCs or other vehicles that would support the Ukrainian infantry on the ground? If Ukrainian forces have to regain ground, they will have to fight that battle on the ground after all.

 

[TMDaines]

Sky News have now left Kyiv

 

[TheReligion]

Instead you have people moaning about EA removing Russian teams from FIFA 22

I get people can be tribal when it comes to their country (I can be biased over the UK!) but ultimately you have to be honest when things are falling short, especially with something like this.

The world should be sticking together. Harping on about your own economy and then things that haven’t been fair in the past is pretty distasteful. Move on and set an example. Don’t be that guy.

 

[VorZakone]

People talk a lot about NATO countries arming Ukraine with anti-vehicle weapons, rifles and protective equipment. I know that fighter jets are now on the menu as well, but has something been said about sending tanks, APCs or other vehicles that would support the Ukrainian infantry on the ground?

Not that I recall. Would they be helpful in insurgent-like urban warfare?

 

[Raoul]

But this is a good thing. It creates unity in condemning the Russian invasion. And it matters if there is universal condemnation from everyone, in both small and large issues, even if it is just "public relations" for some companies.

100%. When lives are at stake, rules and norms generally take a back seat to action and progress.

 

[hellhunter]

Not that I recall. Would they be helpful in insurgent-like urban warfare?

They're also not defensive weapons, which might be a 'moral' thing for supporting countries

 

[stretford_oslo]

Hope everyone gets the hell out of that area.

 

[calodo2003]

People talk a lot about NATO countries arming Ukraine with anti-vehicle weapons, rifles and protective equipment. I know that fighter jets are now on the menu as well, but has something been said about sending tanks, APCs or other vehicles that would support the Ukrainian infantry on the ground?

Training would be an issue. A civilian can be trained how to shoot a Javelin in less than an hour, it would be difficult to train a tank driver the intricacies of a new tank in short order. An APC would be easier & less time, but still potentially significant.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Not that I recall. Would they be helpful in insurgent-like urban warfare?

If they want to regain ground and push the Russians out of Kherson or any other city for that matter, they will need those eventually.

 

[Ananke]

It's getting ridiculous. I think companies are looking to appear to be doing the right thing, rather than doing the right thing.

As someone who works at EA I can say that in this case, they are doing the right thing not just to appear to be doing so.

Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of bandwagon jumping these days but I don’t believe this is the case here.

 

[TMDaines]

Kherson would be the first administrative (or acting administrative) centre of one of the 24 oblasts to fall. Given its location, it was probably one of the hardest to defend. I make it the 12th biggest city controlled by Ukraine prior to the invasion last week.

 

[worldgonemad]

Kherson would be the first administrative (or acting administrative) centre of one of the 24 oblasts to fall. I make it the 13th biggest city controlled by Ukraine prior to the invasion last week. Given its location, it was probably one of the hardest to defend.

Will the Russians be able to use it to land troops from the sea there?

 

[ooeat0meoo]

 

[TMDaines]

Will the Russians be able to use it to land troops from the sea there?

Dunno. Not a military guy and don’t know the area. You’d think they would just continue to come in from Crimea looking at a map though.

 

[the_cliff]

Will the Russians be able to use it to land troops from the sea there?

I think logistically it would make supply a lot easier because of the Dneiper River.

 

[Raoul]

Will the Russians be able to use it to land troops from the sea there?

Its not directly on the sea (although not far away). Their goal in the south will be to take Odessa, which means having Kherson (and its small airport) will be a valuable logistical staging point from which to first take Nikolaev (which is 30 minutes away by car), then position themselves to attack Odessa from the east. At that point, I would imagine the amphibious forces the Russians have just off the coast of Odessa will attack from Black Sea, and the 1,500 or so troops Putin has in Transnistria will attack from the west to surround the city.

 

[finneh]

He's asking for 4b, no? Surely Chelsea will go for more than 2b? Then it's 2,5b+.

... which will all be donated to russian war heroes/officers? Considering the sentence you quote here.

There is no chance Chelsea will be sold for anywhere close to £4b; United or Rea! wouldn't sell for that.

I was more thinking a charitable fund is set up spending a fraction of the proceeds and is a safe haven for a few years.

 

[Zoo]

 

[Mickeza]

Sell quick Roman!

 

[Rooney24]

Let’s hope this isn’t true….

 

[Enigma_87]

He's asking for 4b, no? Surely Chelsea will go for more than 2b? Then it's 2,5b+.

... which will all be donated to russian war heroes/officers? Considering the sentence you quote here.

Roman just announced a garage sale. Doubt he will get market valuation for Chelsea.

2bln is probably the most he’d get out of the club.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Let’s hope this isn’t true….

Doesn't necessarily mean it was shot down.

Planes can go down for a member of reasons

 

[Raoul]

Sell quick Roman!

Some of these yachts are bonkers. I was reading about a different one that cost a fraction of this one, that apparently had an annual operating cost of 30m.

 

[Danny1982]

If I answer, I think it will probably very long passage but it's very interesting questions and can view in many perspectives.

It doesn't have to be detailed, just want to know if I'm missing any sanctions and what they are.

I don’t think Europe has ever cooperated fully with the American sanctions on Iran. The US kept imposing fines on the European banks that would work with Iran. This seems to be a more comprehensive package and followed willingly by everyone.

On the contrary, Europe actually couldn't help Iran even when Trump unilaterally withdrew from the deal and they tried to create INSTX to help Iran away from US' eyes, but they failed miserably because Europe and its companies are completely dependent on the US and can't do anything without its approval. It was China that was cheating a little bit, but even that diminished to the minimum when Obama was in power because he convinced even China and Russia to stop helping Iran (he even convinced Russia not to deliver the S-300 they already signed and Iran paid for during the Bush administration).

What's the point in the question given that they are different nations in different predicaments and different sets of resources to deal with sanctions.

I think your reply kind of answers my question. The reason why I'm asking, which you probably know because you tried to anticipate it in the last part of your answer, is because I want to form my own opinion about the chances Russia is going to collapse/capitulate because of these sanctions. If it's similar to the sanctions they placed on Iran then those chances are not big in my opinion, as it failed to bring a smaller country like Iran to its knees. They will definitely incentivize Russia to negotiate and bargain (and make concessions too), but not collapse or capitulate.

 

[lonelyred]