Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Yeah read about his claims demilitarisation was nearly complete as well. Just unsure whose demilitarisation at this point
Well considering they now control all media in Russia and arrest people over saying basically anything that isn’t propaganda, I don’t think he would find it very difficult to sell it to whoever he needs to sell it to. For others with access to worldwide media there’s no outcome where he can win anyway.
If he captures Mariupol he can claim he neutralized azov batallion. They are neo nazis. Mission accomplished.
Yeah, people have tried to argue Syria was the first, but I don’t think it was to the same extent. You had to actively seek that out, whereas this is just a deluge of information every hour. Smart phones, social networks and 3G/LTE Internet are now far more widely adopted than they were during the opening years of Syria.
If that tweet was true about them forcing out Ukrainians in that Eastern province and replacing them with Russians then by ‘liberating’ those two ‘Russian’ provinces to add to Crimea. Sham elections to follow.
Not having a puppet government in Kyiv would be a hard sell though.
They wouldn’t even know what’s going on Kyiv mate.
Actually some theories here that he doesn’t actually know what is going on there, that he’s bunkered up and only fed whatever his generals may want him to hear. Weird as feck but nothing about this whole thing is any different.
Not sure Zelensky's newest tactic to blame NATO for not enforcing the no-fly zone is going to be productive.
It is infuriating NATO cannot step in but he should be careful not to antagonise his allies and especially lose the public opinion in the West.
Might sound cynical but I just don't think there's appetite for this action.
It is infuriating NATO cannot step in but he should be careful not to antagonise his allies and especially lose the public opinion in the West.
Might sound cynical but I just don't think there's appetite for this action.
Putin is not mad.
He has made a calculated gamble.
He knows in a conventional war Russia will lose with heavy losses on both sides.
His one trump card is Nukes.
His hope is among all the slaves of the Military Industrial Complex on the West are some level headed politicians who will make the needed concessions that would mean Russia will still have a huge say on the future of Ukraine.
Hoping the sanctions will remove Putin is wishful thinking.
This is the most serious situation the world has been in since 1962.
But look at the players on the international stage we have now.
He has made a calculated gamble.
He knows in a conventional war Russia will lose with heavy losses on both sides.
His one trump card is Nukes.
His hope is among all the slaves of the Military Industrial Complex on the West are some level headed politicians who will make the needed concessions that would mean Russia will still have a huge say on the future of Ukraine.
Hoping the sanctions will remove Putin is wishful thinking.
This is the most serious situation the world has been in since 1962.
But look at the players on the international stage we have now.
These are mutually exclusive.
You have to think laterally and think that it may be on purpose that this is being said so that Putin cannot say that the West is in cahoots with Ukraine.
Yeah, he could release footage of Ukrainian soldiers saying on camera "we are going to break the ceasefire first" and show a newspaper with today's date on it, and my gran standing there who also phones me to confirm that this all happened, and I wouldn't believe it at this point.
He's attempting to shame NATO into a a NFZ, when that obviously won't work, since the US and others have made the correct calculation that a NFZ means shooting down Russian planes, which means NATO would be lured into a hot war with Russia. His frustration is obviously justified given that his life, that of his family, and his country are hanging in the balance. That said, it would appear the approach that is working is arming Ukrainian units with intelligence and sophisticated weapons, and simultaneously strangling the Russian economy into submission. Short of suicide (nukes), the odds that Putin will eventually have to capitulate are growing by the day.
Absolutely! Why does he think they want NATO and EU membership and to move away from his influence? Nobody wants to be ruled by thugs who have stolen billions from the people and who are happy to oppress and even kill those who disagree with them. It's not rocket science. Yet he blames the West
I think he realized nukes are not working because to use them and justify this in front of his group there would need to be direct military threat from anyone to Russia and the way NATO countries have played it so far has been largely brilliant. They’ve pushed him into the corner without using a single soldier. At this point nukes are gone and he seems to have realized that in his last two speeches.
Mayor of Mariupol in CNN now basically confirming the Russians used the ceasefire to lure citizens into the open, then attacked them.
He claims Putin's goal is to destroy Ukraine as a nation.
He claims Putin's goal is to destroy Ukraine as a nation.
But how would he be selling the west sanctioning Russia so harshly? I mean, even if Putin retreats immediately, I don't think there's a chance the west will lift the sanctions anytime soon.
He'd lose a lot of credibility in front of his people if he doesn't get Kiev, imo. He'll surely keep trying and eventually succeed, I fear. He knows he crossed too many lines already to simply pull out of this conflict at this stage.
True but in the eyes of the rest of the world if he doesn’t come out of this controlling Ukraine in some way he’s going to look like a right balloon.
Its simply a waiting game now.
One thing you can be sure about.
He will still be there.
And Ukraine is in the shits even when the Russians leave.
Going to take a long time to recover.
Indeed, but they won't have a no fly zone for fear of shooting down Russian planes, yet are happy that NATO weapons are doing just that but in different hands.
I'm confused by the NATO stance if I'm honest!!
China are allies with Putin and Russia, China also has the worlds biggest army and to no surprise Putin is now threatening the rest of the EU.
He already considers NATO countries to be in the war, so what is there to stop them? (And don’t say nukes ffs)
I really can’t see how he succeeds now. Even if he somehow gets the better of Ukraine hasn’t got the ability to hold it. Russia are failing before our eyes
I think Putin will eventually give up on trying to capture Kiev, but settle instead for:
* Capturing Odessa and cutting Ukraine off entirely from any sea access. Then he will "control" the entire southern coastline
* Capturing the entire Donbas and Luhansk regions and declare them "independent" republics.
Then he will withdraw troops from other parts of Ukraine and attempt to sell the gains of land as a victory .
A period of stand-off lasting years along the new "borders" will then follow, with intermittent shelling (etc) of the kind that has been happening for years along the previous eastern "border".
The economic sanctions will remain in place for a long time and the Ukrainian forces will be armed and trained big-time by NATO troops.
* Capturing Odessa and cutting Ukraine off entirely from any sea access. Then he will "control" the entire southern coastline
* Capturing the entire Donbas and Luhansk regions and declare them "independent" republics.
Then he will withdraw troops from other parts of Ukraine and attempt to sell the gains of land as a victory .
A period of stand-off lasting years along the new "borders" will then follow, with intermittent shelling (etc) of the kind that has been happening for years along the previous eastern "border".
The economic sanctions will remain in place for a long time and the Ukrainian forces will be armed and trained big-time by NATO troops.
The NATO stance is to try whatever they can to stop Putin without giving him reason to escalate.
It's not confusing at all. It's the cold war coming back. People have pointed out the stance a million times.
The same man who only yesterday said
"There are no bad intentions towards our neighbours"
Meanwhile bombing them to shreds. Definitely not mad.
This is utterly naive. He says he considers NATO to be 'in the war' but his actions say otherwise.
If he thought NATO was party to the war (even if it's 'special operation'), he'd be attacking NATO member states and we all know how that'd go short of him using nukes.
That’s what I fear and what would still be a complete disaster for Ukraine, even though many would think Ukraine has “won”.
He's also a a highly accomplished liar who is full of bluster. As long as there is no actual fighting between both NATO and Russia, both sides are incentivized to keep it as such.
If someone is stupid enough to start a nuclear war, the financial markets will be the last of your worries.
Its to arm Ukraine with weapons and intelligence but avoid at all costs, a shooting war with Russia, all the while eroding Putin's power from within by bringing down the Russian economy.
You just know that if the entire planet had the shit bombed out of it there would still be some little fecker in an ill fitting suit, with a Young Conservative badge on it, walking around with his side parted Sunday school hairdo, holding a British flag, telling everyone that the economy is still doing reeeeeaaallllyy well.
This invasion is about spheres of influence.
Putin/Russia is not going to just withdraw without NATO recognizing Russia's voice in the region going forward.
Sanctions alone wont cut it.