I don't know why he gets so much shit from some for keeping a line of communication. It's not like he believes all he's told or that he's holding back on sanctions or anything as a result of it. Is it preferable for all lines to be severed?
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I don't know why he gets so much shit from some for keeping a line of communication. It's not like he believes all he's told or that he's holding back on sanctions or anything as a result of it. Is it preferable for all lines to be severed?
Agree, I think it is important someone is keeping an open line of dialog with him.
And the text of the tweet is also a bit strange since in the article they state that Bennett is the other mediator between Russia and the West.
Not really, I am 100% sure that's not the case in China right now. Although many over there are against the war and killing of civilians, they blame it most on US/NATO/Ukraine government instead. That's not hard to see due to the following reasons:
- US/West are their biggest enemy, Russian are their friendly neighbour. They believe US is by far the biggest terrorist in the world, with the killing of most civilians over past decades or so (from their invasion on numerous countries). And they believe if Russian is fallen, it would be their turn to be surrounded by threat of NATO (their enemies) in future.
- They hate western intervention/propaganda on numerous issues against them over the years: Taiwan sovereignty, Hong Kong protest, Xinjiang cotton, Trade war
- Their current popular view is, US/NATO/Ukraine Neo-Nazi are the cause of the conflict as it present a big threat to safety of Russian people, and Ukraine government/soldiers are the ones who are committing those war crimes.
- They idolise Putin, probably more than Russian people do.
- China is essentially socialist country run by communist party, they are very happy with their government, and hate any western intervention/propaganda against them. Their rise of economical power in recent years/decade, and relative success over controlling breakout of COVID in their country, further reinforce their faith on their own government, rather than the west.
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Bennet even went to Moscow in the middle of the war. If Macron did that people would be calling him Putin's lapdog and shiet.
No one is purely good or evil, including the Ukranians. There's a lot of racism in the world and while it's more subtle in the West of Europe, it's more overt in Eastern Europe. The war was unlikely to change any of that in the blink of an eye. It's sad and it's even more sad that I can't even be shocked by it any more.
BBC are reporting that the evacuation corridors lead to... Russia and Belarus.
You're free to escape from a war zone to a prison. Good times.
And plastered with mines, according to international red cross via BBC
Do we have any images of the camps in Russia? In one of the fact checks tweets shared a few days ago, it was mentioned that Pro russians families were sent to Russia in rudimentary camps but I haven't seen it mentioned since.
Absolutely. Europe needs someone who can talk with him. He's not going to go away magically as much as we wish. Some kind of settlement will be needed for the shooting to stop.
Ok. So what is his reason for doing it then, given he has told the world that Putin has lied to him?
I am genuinely interested.
This is a great read on the work behind keeping the railways in the country mostly operational:
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Well like i said I'm going off several Chinese friends in China including the son of a very senior regional official. I get a very open view from them, good and bad, on what normal people think so I'll trust that over distant musings unless you're in China yourself.
The issue is relying on their heavily bias media to guess the views of others. Can you imagine what people would think if they just took Daily Mail and Fox News as sources. Even then you'll find peace and respecting sovereignty pushed, that's as much of a slam to Russia as you'll get. They're not calling it a military operation or any of that bollocks.
They've been censoring pro russia comments for some time on Weibo. The most support you'll get is they source RT too much so stories like Zelenskyy fleeing Ukraine will make their media.
It's in the article. Both Macron and Bennett keep a line of communication between Putin and the West, if for some reason there is a chance of de-escalation he will have leaders to talk to. And they both reports their talks to the rest.
Keep in mind that Macron his generally abrasive, he doesn't care about being liked or doing the popular thing. He just does what he wants or what he thinks is right based on his own opinion.
I think it’s a good idea to have someone who can talk to him.
Not sure why he’s getting stick over it. So long as France don’t sit on the fence.
I don’t think I’ve ever accused you of being anything other than good? I’m critical of the police as an institution, perhaps you have mistakenly taken this personally?Am i the good or the bad? I always forget this
Appreciate that and I will accept that my perception of politicians has been adversely affected by the actions of Boris Johnson.
What I am slightly confused with is that the West has a policy of isolating Putin.
And added to that, the appalling actions happening in Ukraine.
So to have a senior leader talk to Putin for hours on the phone just seemed to me to be more than just keeping an open line of communication, should Putin suddenly have a change of heart. But what do I know.
I was playing around. You’re entitled to be critical as the police should be transparent and open to scrutiny from the public.
I used to take things more personally, when I was first on the Caf, but these day I’ll just try and offer my view/thoughts and move on.
It’s somewhat understandable considering that the original picture (that clearly inspired those who made that sign) was badly photoshopped.
Think this has been debunked already
Yeah, that’s fecking terrifying. Those telegrams can be understood differently as it’s mostly about cyber security, but I’m not going to get on it. It’s also kind of absurd that we don’t even know whenever to expect the outside world to cut us off or for Putin to do the same, while the result of any of those scenarios (just like canceling Mastercard & Visa) would only strengthen Putin’s regime by denying those who oppose him in Russia access to information and funding.
How/where?
Not sure where I read it, to be honest. Think the explanation was a counter to DDOS attacks
Oh, that. Those are not mutually exclusive explanations. Anyway, I’m this particular scenario they’re getting ready for the outside world to cut Russia off, not the other way. Not that it makes much difference.
Leaving aside the implications, is it even possible for companies to move their entire IT infrastructure to Russian servers in such a short timespan?
Yeah, I read the telegram talks about protecting from attacks on DNS, not cutting off the internet to the outside world. That and Cogent pulling out of Russia has possibly led to a few false assumptions.
I don't really think the outside world can realistically cut Russia off the global internet. Pretty much everyone would have to agree not to route from Russian IPs - seems unfeasible to me.
Already covered earlier in the thread. Looks like he is believing everything and is happy to repeat whatever Putin is telling him. Other governments have their direct lines too but they're not publicising it. Putin wants a useful idiot to play like the fiddle and Macron is obliging.
What makes you say that?
Nothing.
I mean, I'm usually first in line to shittalk the French, but this is really no stick to beat Macron with, quite the opposite.